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I'm afraid to learn what I thought about Batman v Superman you will have to wait for me to carefully read and analyze the last 48 pages of that thread.
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May 4, 2016 21:00
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TFRazorsaw posted:Like I already said, I don't agree with the decision. I just don't think we should be making equally bad ones. Ya I'm just making fun of the screenwriter for being incredibly stupid
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May 4, 2016 21:14
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I don't think he's stupid, I think he's motivated by all the wrong things. He's morally wrongheaded. Making the Ancient One an Asian who's not from Tibet would be equally as bad as casting Tilda Swinton is, and I'm kind of disappointed Takei doesn't acknowledge that.
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May 4, 2016 21:18
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Burkion posted:http://www.polygon.com/2016/5/4/11591704/avengers-infinity-war-retitle-russo-brothers-marvel Well thank goodness.
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May 4, 2016 21:20
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Making all the characters in Gods of Egypt black would have been just as ahistorical and wrong as making them whites. Ancient Egyptians looked basically the same as modern Egyptians.
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May 4, 2016 21:20
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rakovsky maybe posted:Making all the characters in Gods of Egypt black would have been just as ahistorical and wrong as making them whites. Ancient Egyptians would have looked basically the same as modern Egyptians. Fully agreed.
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May 4, 2016 21:21
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TFRazorsaw posted:Making the Ancient One an Asian who's not from Tibet would be equally as bad as casting Tilda Swinton is 
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May 4, 2016 21:22
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TFRazorsaw posted:I don't think he's stupid, I think he's motivated by all the wrong things. He's morally wrongheaded. Making the Ancient One an Asian who's not from Tibet would be equally as bad as casting Tilda Swinton is, and I'm kind of disappointed Takei doesn't acknowledge that. I don't think the moral aspect is anything he has control over because a company like Marvel isn't gonna allow a movie to not sell in China, but blaming the negative reaction on "sjws" indicates that he is a man of poor mind or perhaps, stupid.
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May 4, 2016 21:24
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rakovsky maybe posted:Making all the characters in Gods of Egypt black would have been just as ahistorical and wrong as making them whites. Ancient Egyptians looked basically the same as modern Egyptians. Wouldve looked sick tho
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May 4, 2016 21:24
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Hat Thoughts posted:Wouldve looked sick tho Maybe. There's something subtly racist in the implication from aggrieved liberals that Will Smith looks more like an Egyptian than Gerard Butler. It turns out Africa has multiple ethnicities and isn't one vague mass of people who look phenotypically Sub-Saharan.
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May 4, 2016 21:29
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Wheeee posted:They should have been respectful of the original material when making their casting decision. Actually, Big Trouble In Little China has an almost completely Asian cast, making it one of the worst examples to use.
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May 4, 2016 21:30
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MonsieurChoc posted:Actually, Big Trouble In Little China has an almost completely Asian cast, making it one of the worst examples to use. It also owns incredibly hard
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May 4, 2016 21:31
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rakovsky maybe posted:Maybe. There's something subtly racist in the implication from aggrieved liberals that Will Smith looks more like an Egyptian than Gerard Butler. It turns out Africa has multiple ethnicities and isn't one vague mass of people who look phenotypically Sub-Saharan. if u dont think a movie from the director of the crow full of black ppl playing egyptian gods wouldnt look sick u got bad taste my man
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May 4, 2016 21:32
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Pablo Gigante posted:It also owns incredibly hard Yes. It's loving great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssIuI7PYU90
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May 4, 2016 21:35
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rakovsky maybe posted:Making all the characters in Gods of Egypt black would have been just as ahistorical and wrong as making them whites. Ancient Egyptians looked basically the same as modern Egyptians. ... which is why we were complaining that the cast was whitewashed and not complaining that the cast wasn't black.
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May 4, 2016 21:40
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Hat Thoughts posted:I don't think the moral aspect is anything he has control over because a company like Marvel isn't gonna allow a movie to not sell in China, but blaming the negative reaction on "sjws" indicates that he is a man of poor mind or perhaps, stupid. Well, that's the thing. I'm, as my posting history indicates, sensitive to many social justice issues, but I don't think a lot of people on that front are sensitive to a lot of what's being said. The Ancient One IS steeped in a lot of unfortunate tropes as a rule, and much like the Mandarin, the idea of "fixing him" is never going to be wholly successful without changing the entirety of the Dr. Strange mythos to the point it's unrecognizable, removing not only the pastiche of Asian mysticism, but also the fact that Steven Strange is a white man inheriting the secrets of said pastiche. Representing him with a member of some other Asian culture would also be disrespectful, because it ignores the fact that Asian people are not homogeneous or interchangeable. You can't excise the character because that would be erasure. And, of course, making him Tibet would piss China off and get the movie banned. He's entirely correct about the fact that no one decision would satisfy everyone, and certain members of the SJW movement are unfortunately falling into the trap of being very selective or ignorant of various issues. The point is Marvel settled on the absolute worst choice of all the choices available to them.
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May 4, 2016 21:41
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MonsieurChoc posted:Actually, Big Trouble In Little China has an almost completely Asian cast, making it one of the worst examples to use. They're definitely going more for the David Carradine look.  
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May 4, 2016 21:42
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TFRazorsaw posted:Well, that's the thing. I'm, as my posting history indicates, sensitive to many social justice issues, but I don't think a lot of people on that front are sensitive to a lot of what's being said. The Ancient One IS steeped in a lot of unfortunate tropes as a rule, and much like the Mandarin, the idea of "fixing him" is never going to be wholly successful without changing the entirety of the Dr. Strange mythos to the point it's unrecognizable, removing not only the pastiche of Asian mysticism, but also the fact that Steven Strange is a white man inheriting the secrets of said pastiche. Representing him with a member of some other Asian culture would also be disrespectful, because it ignores the fact that Asian people are not homogeneous or interchangeable. You can't excise the character because that would be erasure. And, of course, making him Tibet would piss China off and get the movie banned. He's entirely correct about the fact that no one decision would satisfy everyone, and certain members of the SJW movement are unfortunately falling into the trap of being very selective or ignorant of various issues. sounds like the solution is not seeing the movie
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May 4, 2016 21:43
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TFRazorsaw posted:The point is Marvel settled on the absolute worst choice of all the choices available to them. Actually, they made a pretty good choice from what we've seen.
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May 4, 2016 21:43
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I'd love to see those old racist stereotypes redone better. Charlie Chan was originally created as a counter to the Yellow Peril stereotype, and there's a lot of potential for a good movie about a chinese-american detective in 1920s Hawaii. As horribly racist as the old novels were, Fu Manchu's backstory is that he took part in the Boxer Rebellion and wants revenge on western imperialism: I'm kind of on his side there!
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May 4, 2016 21:45
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TFRazorsaw posted:Well, that's the thing. I'm, as my posting history indicates, sensitive to many social justice issues, but I don't think a lot of people on that front are sensitive to a lot of what's being said. The Ancient One IS steeped in a lot of unfortunate tropes as a rule, and much like the Mandarin, the idea of "fixing him" is never going to be wholly successful without changing the entirety of the Dr. Strange mythos to the point it's unrecognizable, removing not only the pastiche of Asian mysticism, but also the fact that Steven Strange is a white man inheriting the secrets of said pastiche. Representing him with a member of some other Asian culture would also be disrespectful, because it ignores the fact that Asian people are not homogeneous or interchangeable. You can't excise the character because that would be erasure. And, of course, making him Tibet would piss China off and get the movie banned. He's entirely correct about the fact that no one decision would satisfy everyone, and certain members of the SJW movement are unfortunately falling into the trap of being very selective or ignorant of various issues. Most normal people see Doctor Strange and think "Oh look, this dude is magical and doing crazy magical poo poo", not "oh, this man is acturately portraying the many varied middle eastern semi-magical mystical practices by screaming out 'BY THE HOARY HOSTS OF HOGGOTH'. and shooting laser rays from his fingertips." Like, you could change the nationality of his teacher with no loving problem to the Dr Strange mythology.
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May 4, 2016 21:49
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TFRazorsaw posted:removing not only the pastiche of Asian mysticism, but also the fact that Steven Strange is a white man inheriting the secrets of said pastiche. This part is a bit silly.
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May 4, 2016 21:50
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More stuff about Big Trouble in Little China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j1hZFJVroE
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May 4, 2016 21:51
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TFRazorsaw posted:Fully agreed. I hate to be that guy, as someone from the region, Egyptians are not white people. And yes there are plenty of what we would consider to be "black" people in Egypt, so no, the two are not the same.
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May 4, 2016 21:53
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Hat Thoughts posted:Ya I'm just making fun of the screenwriter for being incredibly stupid Cargil owns broh! But honestly he's just defending his buddy. The decision was made and that's probably what Derrickson said to him. But seriously, I fuckin love Cargil and I'm so happy that a dude I've been listening on a podcast for years is getting into some big movies. I'm also glad he gave my bros at Double Toasted some notice for that interview. It warms the cockles of my heart.
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Shageletic posted:I hate to be that guy, as someone from the region, Egyptians are not white people. And yes there are plenty of what we would consider to be "black" people in Egypt, so no, the two are not the same. I'm not sure why people keep going here with this, but Snowglobe of Doom posted:... which is why we were complaining that the cast was whitewashed and not complaining that the cast wasn't black.
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May 4, 2016 21:55
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Drifter posted:Most normal people see Doctor Strange and think "Oh look, this dude is magical and doing crazy magical poo poo", not "oh, this man is acturately portraying the many varied middle eastern semi-magical mystical practices by screaming out 'BY THE HOARY HOSTS OF HOGGOTH'. and shooting laser rays from his fingertips." Ditko and Lee threw a lot of stuff into the character and stories because he thought they sounded exotic and mysterious. A lot of what was considered and exotic and mysterious was based on warped views of what Asian culture and mythology was like. The god-like figures of his stories are named "Vishanti" and "Agamotto" and "Oshtur", which are vaguely-"Asian sounding" despite being entirely made up. These things are vague and their origins are obscure enough to be unrecognizable now, but that doesn't erase their origins. Heck, the movie has them in a very broadly "Asian"-looking temple wearing similarly styled clothes. In any case, changing the nationality of his teacher would still be erasure.
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May 4, 2016 22:03
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Vishanti --> Vishnu Agamotto --> Agamemnon Oshtur --> Ashur ive cracked the case!!!
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May 4, 2016 22:06
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... when did I imply at all that there was a "code" to crack...?
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The easiest thing to probably say is that white people, and white as industries like Hollywood, are completely incapable of respectfully portraying Asian cultures and characters. Consequently, rather than creating roles and characters to respectfully portray them: hiring actors and writers and other staff who would help with that portrayal positively, Hollywood would prefer erasure. It's easier than putting effort into it, and you just need to provide enough defense for people to go, well, fair enough.
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May 4, 2016 22:44
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TFRazorsaw posted:... when did I imply at all that there was a "code" to crack...? sounds like ur mad that u didn't crack the case
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May 4, 2016 23:04
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More like utterly confused at what's even going on.
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May 4, 2016 23:08
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Hat Thoughts posted:Vishanti --> Vishnu
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May 4, 2016 23:16
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TetsuoTW posted:The real clue is "Stephen Strange" -> "Rehangs Ten Pets" A Peens Strength
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May 4, 2016 23:19
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And now on to the various guest appearances in Valerian? v v "Luc Besson posted:DAY72  Luc Besson posted:DAY73
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May 4, 2016 23:30
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This is the Luc Besson I love.
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Basebf555 posted:There's no way that, after all of this buildup, they're going to be able to properly pay-off the Thanos storyline in a single movie. He's definitely going to end up being major anti-climax, I don't see any way around it. There's a way around it. Have the climax be Thanos facing off against Cap wielding his shield and mjolnir, and have Thanos kill him.
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