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BillmasterCozb posted:
Holy poo poo how did they gently caress this up this bad
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May 3, 2016 23:39
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This is loving magic, gotta install this poo poo pronto  I was gonna hold out untill all the skills actually work in the beta, but BillmasterCozb posted:
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May 3, 2016 23:49
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being able to ace literally every skill is fun for a little while i am able to one shot everything
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May 3, 2016 23:52
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BillmasterCozb posted:
Looks legit.
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May 4, 2016 00:23
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The upper half of the melee tree is just utter trash. All of the value is in the lower half, and there's no real value to taking any of the skills up top.
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May 4, 2016 05:28
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I have bought every skill but Covert Ops, Optical Illusions Aced, Berzerker and Frenzy. Oh and Breacher but who gives a poo poo I AM A CRIME GOD.
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May 4, 2016 05:34
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LuciferMorningstar posted:The upper half of the melee tree is just utter trash. All of the value is in the lower half, and there's no real value to taking any of the skills up top. -someone who doesn't use Yakuza and/or the flamethrower.
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May 4, 2016 05:38
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watho posted:-someone who doesn't use Yakuza and/or the flamethrower. Flamethrower hardly needs a damage boost. It's only problem right now is that it's a little ammo-hungry. Flamethrower also isn't melee, which is basically the point. The upper half of the melee tree really blows at enabling melee.
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May 4, 2016 05:50
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The only skill I'd say is bad is Counterstrike. 30% health berserker will make you oneshot most non-specials with an uncharged melee. If you use that with Yakuza and the armorer tree you'll have lightning fast recharging armor and the mobility of a suit user. It won't make you able to use your melee weapon as effectively as a gun but to claim that it's bad is just silly.
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May 4, 2016 06:14
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I wanna play this game with one particular friend. Is two people enough to do stuff or am I going to need a group of 4 or something?
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May 4, 2016 06:55
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Tony Montana posted:I wanna play this game with one particular friend. Is two people enough to do stuff or am I going to need a group of 4 or something? 2 is enough if you both know what you're doing.
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May 4, 2016 07:12
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You can solo without AI on many missions
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May 4, 2016 07:27
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watho posted:The only skill I'd say is bad is Counterstrike. 30% health berserker will make you oneshot most non-specials with an uncharged melee. If you use that with Yakuza and the armorer tree you'll have lightning fast recharging armor and the mobility of a suit user. It won't make you able to use your melee weapon as effectively as a gun but to claim that it's bad is just silly. I kill one enemy with a gun, and via Bloodthirst and Pumping Iron, I'm one-shotting most non-specials with an uncharged melee. Charge for half a second (or stack Bloodthirst one more time) and I really will one-shot all non-specials, regardless of difficulty. Katana hits for 210 uncharged with Pumping Iron and one Bloodthirst kill. Why bother handicapping myself with low health (and no passive health regen), at such great expense?
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May 4, 2016 07:36
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LuciferMorningstar posted:I kill one enemy with a gun, and via Bloodthirst and Pumping Iron, I'm one-shotting most non-specials with an uncharged melee. Charge for half a second (or stack Bloodthirst one more time) and I really will one-shot all non-specials, regardless of difficulty. Katana hits for 210 uncharged with Pumping Iron and one Bloodthirst kill. Why bother handicapping myself with low health (and no passive health regen), at such great expense? I dunno, because it's fun? Why take anything else than 6 sentry, inspire, commando? e: I've found it that you don't really need the HP when you run Yakuza since your armor will regen in less than a second, and the 60%+ damage helps A LOT to conserve ammo on the flamethrower. watho fucked around with this message at 08:25 on May 4, 2016 |
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May 4, 2016 08:21
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I don't think this is a beta related bug but with Overkill you never really know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbIfompdTyc
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May 4, 2016 10:32
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Skills beta Grinder healing effect should now last for the proper time duration Locomotive, Street Sweeper, Judge, Mosconi and Joceline will not suffer from ammo penalty anymore Unavailable skills on the Breacher tree have been removed Fixed an issues where you could get infinite skill points Fixed an issue where some skill points could not be removed Fixed an issue where the game would crash when using the skill Optic Illusions together with the Valkyria Rifle You can now place your last skill point (this was patched yesterday, btu was not included in the changelog) Did they just un-nerfed Grinder?
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May 4, 2016 16:49
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Yeah, they fixed Grinder. My guess is that it can stack more than once, now. The shotgun change also explains a lot.
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May 4, 2016 16:53
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Some weird cheerleading over the idea that this will murder Grinder, but I do like how even people playing the game just love the new word btu.
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May 4, 2016 17:08
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LuciferMorningstar posted:The upper half of the melee tree is just utter trash. All of the value is in the lower half, and there's no real value to taking any of the skills up top.  No. Counterstrike is probably the only skill in Brawler that I'd say is utter trash, because it just isn't needed.this build works amazingly using Sociopath, especially with Frenzy and Berserker spit on my clit fucked around with this message at 17:57 on May 4, 2016 |
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May 4, 2016 17:53
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BillmasterCozb posted:
You're going to have to do a better job than just making an assertion. As I've demonstrated before, all you really need to advance an effective melee build is to a) take the katana, and b) stack Bloodthirst once or twice. Bam, done. You can one-shot everything except specials in an uncharged swing, even on DW (and let's be honest, DW is the focus now). Substantively, you nothing by handicapping yourself in terms of health via Berserker and Frenzy, since you're already wrecking enemies if you do nothing beyond "shoot, swing, repeat." And it's not as though you can afford to do anything but that: prolonged engagement in melee range is going to cost you your armor, you have less health to fall back on, and no way to regenerate it. It's a battle of attrition that you are absolutely going to lose.
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May 4, 2016 18:14
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Punking cloakers is however, hilarious. Checkmate, thread.
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May 4, 2016 18:31
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Would Counter-Strike be a better skill if it let you press melee while you were being kicked down to interrupt the attack, or is it fine how it is where you need to be charging a strike?
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May 4, 2016 18:37
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The only problem with trying to turn counter strike into an effective parry is that connection issues are the only thing stopping you. The cloaker can already travel through netcode bullshit, so even finely tuned melee reflexes may get hosed over by the cloaker going through the floor or knocking you down even if you can't see it, but its there on the host's end.
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May 4, 2016 18:41
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Geight posted:Would Counter-Strike be a better skill if it let you press melee while you were being kicked down to interrupt the attack, or is it fine how it is where you need to be charging a strike? Some kind of quicktime event would probably be most preferable. Otherwise, you might as well just take the taser for a grand total of zero skill points. There's also what Crabtree mentions: you just can't always catch the Cloakers, especially when they come out the vent halfway through a kick/teleport through the floor/whatever. Hell, I ran a gimmick with Counterstrike for a while, and even the Cloakers seemed to be in on the joke half the time. They'd sit and stare while I stood with my melee weapon ready to go while the other cops shot at me. The second I dropped the melee charge to deal with the cops, the fuckers attacked. It's funny when it works, but it fails a lot, too.
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May 4, 2016 18:46
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I mean, yeah, as it is you're basically just waiting for a cloaker to still somehow punk you, a teammate to flame or otherwise kill it before you get there or get shot down by regular cops flak fire hoping for the stars to align. Being able to just press a melee attack and activate Counterstrike then and there if you practice the sweet spot could be an improvement. But as Lucifer said, sometime you just can't win as the cloaker is a motherfucker.
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May 4, 2016 18:55
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Given the meta nature of many of the cloaker's taunts, I love the idea that they're privvy to whether a player has counter-strike and change their tactics accordingly. Now, what if we went full ham and let players deflect incoming bullets while charging a melee weapon? 
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May 4, 2016 19:09
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Geight posted:Given the meta nature of many of the cloaker's taunts, I love the idea that they're privvy to whether a player has counter-strike and change their tactics accordingly. Only if it's the katana and you're wearing the grey fox mask.
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May 4, 2016 19:22
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Geight posted:Given the meta nature of many of the cloaker's taunts, I love the idea that they're privvy to whether a player has counter-strike and change their tactics accordingly. New Heister: 
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May 4, 2016 19:41
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Geight posted:Would Counter-Strike be a better skill if it let you press melee while you were being kicked down to interrupt the attack, or is it fine how it is where you need to be charging a strike? I mean honestly counterstrike aced is only great for a few achievements and that's it. I say drop that ability all together and do something else entirely. "You can now use your melee item instead of a crowbar to pry open doors, gates, and crates. This skill cannot be used to jam the fans on Meltdown." There ya go. Something people want, don't need, makes sense, and isn't op.
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May 4, 2016 19:42
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We have an FAQ with very general info about how the new safehouse will work. I've quoted the whole thing below. Custom Safehouse FAQ It’s time to give you some news about the Custom Safehouse. We know a lot of you sits on plenty of questions so we’ve put together a short FAQ with answers to the most common questions about what we’re working on. FAQ:
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May 4, 2016 21:36
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Well then this should shut up the complaining babies on Steam for a whil.... gently caress.
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May 4, 2016 21:47
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Discendo Vox posted:We have an FAQ with very general info about how the new safehouse will work. Character-based Safehouse content? I am ready for Bonnie's pile of whiskey bottles.
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May 4, 2016 21:48
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chairface posted:New Heister: I really ought to try and play this game more, I just got discouraged after losing basically a few hour's progress in the first city area because I got oneshot by something and had never thought to save during all the time I was making my legs OK and getting counter-hacked by ATMs.
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May 4, 2016 21:56
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Geight posted:I really ought to try and play this game more, I just got discouraged after losing basically a few hour's progress in the first city area because I got oneshot by something and had never thought to save during all the time I was making my legs OK and getting counter-hacked by ATMs. The only thing you lose from dying more times than you have resurrectors is having to restart the level and suffering a permanent wound (permanent stat penalty.) So you could've just kept on with a minor stat penalty. you can later remove the permanent stat penalties Anyway it wasn't a serious suggestion but at the point we've got Jacket, Bodhi and Jimmy randomly throwing the guy from EYE in makes as much sense as anything. Plus he has an excuse for why he can absorb a few thousand gunshots.
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May 4, 2016 22:00
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Kikas posted:Well then this should shut up the complaining babies on Steam for a whil.... We all know the pub will bitch because they want to bitch. And since this a game for kids lets have a Dan Backslide heister seeing as The Dover Boys is public domain. Crabtree fucked around with this message at 22:29 on May 4, 2016 |
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May 4, 2016 22:09
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I can't wait for Jacket's 80's tape recorder paradise ..or landfill.
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May 4, 2016 22:10
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BillmasterCozb posted:I can't wait for Jacket's 80's tape recorder paradise Yessssssssssssssssssss
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May 4, 2016 22:18
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BillmasterCozb posted:I can't wait for Jacket's 80's tape recorder paradise Speaking as someone who was alive in the 80s myself, you know what would be his perfect time capsule safehouse? Something 80s as all poo poo that's been dead and buried long enough that no one has thought about it for nearing twenty years? A mom and pop video store. That would be perfect for him.
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Seems like they made ED1 harder to rush for stealth - trying it now on OK and fewer containers seem to be open. Can anyone confirm/deny?
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