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Ross Angeles posted:please let us join somewhere The MWC should be a pretty big deal in 25 years if football lasts that long.
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May 4, 2016 19:54
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Ross Angeles posted:please let us join somewhere Should have planned long term and located yourself higher above sea level. Delaney was definitely factoring in climate change with the "plan for the next hundred years."
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May 4, 2016 20:04
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Sash! posted:Should have planned long term and located yourself higher above sea level. They did, and then they said "nope" to the American
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May 4, 2016 21:07
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Toilet Mouth posted:The MWC should be a pretty big deal in 25 years if football lasts that long. MWC was on track to being a pretty big deal a decade ago but instead they just got raided of some teams and had others fall off.
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May 4, 2016 21:26
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Thoguh posted:MWC was on track to being a pretty big deal a decade ago but instead they just got raided of some teams and had others fall off. Yeah, even if they just still had Utah and BYU (TCU was never going to stay forever), they'd be pretty salty, or that would at least be the perception.
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May 4, 2016 22:10
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Toilet Mouth posted:Where are the votes going to come from for this to happen? How do you talk Baylor, TCU, Tech, Iowa State, the Kansas schools, anybody really, into this being in their best interests? Err, the current vote is 7 for expansion, 3 against. TCU and Tech are the only minor schools against expansion. Ross Angeles posted:please let us join somewhere Think you could relocate a few hundred miles closer to Lubbock? At least to the Mountain Time Zone? (seriously, if it weren't for the whole two time zone difference travel issues thing, I'd be all for it).
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May 4, 2016 23:46
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I'll fully confess to being ignorant of the details, so maybe others can help me out, but why would the Big 12 want Cincy or Tulane or any of these other mid-tier candidates being bandied about? Expansion for the sake of expansion just seems short-sighted to me. Reminds me of when the Pac-10 had this grand Pac-16 vision, but that whole deal fell through so they said "gently caress it" and grabbed Utah and Colorado just so they can say they did something. Yeah we got the conference title game, but now we're stuck with two programs who don't really bring much to the table beyond "hey, Denver and Salt Lake markets, we think."
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May 5, 2016 00:31
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Well with Colorado at least I'm sure there was some hope they could go back to some semblance of what they were from 85-2002 or so (or through most of their history really). I mean that's a historically, well not great, but pretty good program.
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May 5, 2016 00:38
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Utah's put up some good records in recent seasons. They seem like a decent addition to the conference.
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May 5, 2016 00:43
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I want Tulane so bad. Totally cool with the Big 12 dropping the round robin if Tulane gets in.
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Benne posted:I'll fully confess to being ignorant of the details, so maybe others can help me out, but why would the Big 12 want Cincy or Tulane or any of these other mid-tier candidates being bandied about? Expansion for the sake of expansion just seems short-sighted to me. You can ask why the BIG added Rutgers and Maryland aside from NYC & DC markets. TVs and TVs thus more  Pac-10 expansion to 12 really did leave with UT & CO as the only 2 real options that brought in new TVs and had some backing. UT has been a pretty decent team. CO is really taking time to adapt at least in football.
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PostNouveau posted:I want Tulane so bad. Totally cool with the Big 12 dropping the round robin if Tulane gets in. What does Tulane bring besides academics and an excuse to travel to New Orleans?
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Henchman of Santa posted:What does Tulane bring besides academics and an excuse to travel to New Orleans? A game Texas can probably win :iamafag:
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Henchman of Santa posted:What does Tulane bring besides academics and an excuse to travel to New Orleans? New Orleans market and easier Louisiana recruiting.
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May 5, 2016 02:16
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Henchman of Santa posted:What does Tulane bring besides academics and an excuse to travel to New Orleans? A really dope mascot
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May 5, 2016 02:18
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The Big XII definitely made a mistake by not adding Louisville when they could have. I don't think the ACC raid was really on the table, it was being floated by FSU and Clemson as leverage to get what they want. The Big XII should definitely add BYU and Houston, and are too shortsighted to go for Houston. There isn't another candidate that makes sense unless SMU can somehow turn it around.
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May 5, 2016 02:41
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Kim Jong Il posted:The Big XII definitely made a mistake by not adding Louisville when they could have. I don't think the ACC raid was really on the table, it was being floated by FSU and Clemson as leverage to get what they want. Houston adds nothing to the conference, just like TCU. Houston's media influence is limited to the city of Houston itself as they don't have a very widespread or very sports-oriented alumni base, and the Big XII already has a very strong hold on that market. Even during last year's great run, they struggled to fill their stadium. They would actively detract from the existing Big XII programs because they can recruit as a Big XII team, effectively locking TTU, Baylor and TCU out of the city of Houston and competing with UT as the hometown team. The only compelling reason to invite Houston is to keep a conference like the ACC from inviting Houston instead. The Big XII should have invited Louisville when they had the chance. Instead we got TCU. Meh.
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It really is funny how vehemently Tech/TCU/Baylor fans oppose UH. Scared??  My ideal expansion is go to 14 and add Cinci, UH, UCF, and USF. You get a travel partner for WVU and into the Ohio market, get into the Tampa/Orlando markets and add two schools with huge potential, and solidify your hold on the Houston market and add a program with a pretty good history in football/basketball/baseball. KIM JONG TRILL fucked around with this message at 04:02 on May 5, 2016 |
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May 5, 2016 03:59
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:It really is funny how vehemently Tech/TCU/Baylor fans oppose UH. Scared?? Sure, they're a monster in waiting. Last time they had money and a major conference? They picked up a Heisman and broke a bunch of records. I don't want anything to do with them. And, again, the Big XII doesn't need to touch Houston until the ACC starts sniffing around the program. There's no compelling reason to add both USF and UCF. Cincinnati is the 4th most popular school in their own city. Frankly, there are no good options. Everyone out there is a compromise.
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May 5, 2016 04:21
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Henchman of Santa posted:What does Tulane bring besides academics and an excuse to travel to New Orleans? So like, you said an excuse to travel to New Orleans, but then there's a question mark after it like you're looking for more. I don't follow at all.
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My personal opinion, which I have stated before, is that the Big 12 should go Big 14. It's the era of the super-conference, and if the Big Ten can get away with adding Rutgers, anything's on the table. Three schools north of the 36th parallel, one school south of the 36th parallel.
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CaptainYesterday posted:My personal opinion, which I have stated before, is that the Big 12 should go Big 14. It's the era of the super-conference, and if the Big Ten can get away with adding Rutgers, anything's on the table. Three schools north of the 36th parallel, one school south of the 36th parallel. My thought is it's either go whole hog or get out. So stay at 10 and wait until the GoR expires to see what happens with the ACC/Pac-12 to make an SEC-level conference or invite 6 of BYU, Colorado State, Tulane, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, Temple, UConn, ECU, or hell, Georgia Southern or some poo poo and go all the way to 16 with a more Big Ten or ACC-like conference. No UH, though.
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kayakyakr posted:Cincinnati is the 4th most popular school in their own city. I'm assuming you mean state, otherwise I'm going to need you to list these off for me. Xavier Football would be a big get I'm sure, they're undefeated since 1973. If I were the Big 12 and had it to do over again I'd grab Louisville, Cinci, and WVU back when the conference almost died. And if there was ever anything at all to the FSU/GT rumors I would have been all over that poo poo begging them to come. e: I agree Houston is a useless add for the Big 12 Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 08:11 on May 5, 2016 |
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May 5, 2016 08:09
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Henchman of Santa posted:What does Tulane bring besides academics and an excuse to travel to New Orleans? David Boren is the guy pushing expansion the most and he honestly probably cares about academics just as much as athletics, if not even more so. The Big 12 got raided of two of its better academic institutions during the last round of realignment, and he wants something to fill the gap (which is also why he'd never support BYU).
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Grittybeard posted:I'm assuming you mean state, otherwise I'm going to need you to list these off for me. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html#10,39.114,-84.432 Try to find a zip code on the city of Cincinnati where the team even shows up. Hint: people root for teams from outside of the state they're currently in.
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I suppose I was reading that as 'fourth most popular school actually in the city of Cincinnati.' Point taken now.
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kayakyakr posted:http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html#10,39.114,-84.432 Yeah dude I'm sure there are more Michigan fans in Cincy than Bearcat fans when they routinely draw 40k for their games. That map sure seems reasonable.
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May 5, 2016 15:55
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Didn't even crack 4% in the actual zip code of the university despite having a top 50 enrollment nationally  . Cincy just loves the loving Wolverines so much
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Goetta posted:Didn't even crack 4% in the actual zip code of the university despite having a top 50 enrollment nationally It's a very inspecific methodology, sure, but it also shows a either a disinterested fanbase or a terrible social media presence. 40k for a game shouldn't be too hard with an MSA of 2.2 million people. I'd love to see an updated version of that map as social media penetration increases to see if the representation changes at all.
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kayakyakr posted:Sure, they're a monster in waiting. Last time they had money and a major conference? They picked up a Heisman and broke a bunch of records. I don't want anything to do with them. At least you're honest I guess.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:It really is funny how vehemently Tech/TCU/Baylor fans oppose UH. Scared?? That's a lot of dead weight to add just to have a conference championship game. The markets are okay in theory, but it the cable bubble is really about to burst it's not going to mean much. I'm stealing this talking point from this week's Shutdown Fullcast, but once the cable package as we know it bites the dust the conference's value is going to swing back to being tied more to just how much fans want to watch it. Quality, not quantity. If that's the case, they may be best suited just taking Houston and BYU, because they're good at sports and can probably be counted on to be good at sports going forward. General Dog fucked around with this message at 19:28 on May 5, 2016 |
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kayakyakr posted:http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html#10,39.114,-84.432 Please, nobody look at Georgia Tech in this map.
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May 5, 2016 19:22
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kayakyakr posted:Houston adds nothing to the conference, just like TCU. Houston's media influence is limited to the city of Houston itself as they don't have a very widespread or very sports-oriented alumni base, and the Big XII already has a very strong hold on that market. Even during last year's great run, they struggled to fill their stadium. They would actively detract from the existing Big XII programs because they can recruit as a Big XII team, effectively locking TTU, Baylor and TCU out of the city of Houston and competing with UT as the hometown team. I know this will never happen, but do what's loving right for once, they should be there.
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Sash! posted:Should have planned long term and located yourself higher above sea level. Pretty much ever California city besides Sacramento is mostly built a decent way above sea level. It's Florida that's already done.
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Bip Roberts posted:It's Florida that's already done. 
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kayakyakr posted:http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-map.html#10,39.114,-84.432 Not clicking that but if it goes by social media a looooot of the fans are old. That said, in Cinci the most popular team is whoever is playing tOSU.
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Bip Roberts posted:Pretty much ever California city besides Sacramento is mostly built a decent way above sea level. It's Florida that's already done. I consulted flooding projections and San Diego is in pretty bad shape once everything that drives their economy is under 10 feet of water!
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There's infighting at Oklahoma over potential Big 12 expansion So apparently even the OU regents don't have Boren's back on this, if this is to be believed. His one-man crusade for expansion just makes less and less sense, I have no feel for what his angle is here.
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