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the podcast with me is up! I am at work so can't listen to it properly. But please revel in all the times I talk over Phil, and I bet he didn't edit out the dead air! I've invited the Tumblrinas to fill my inbox with crappy asks, but they have to quote me accurately to do so.
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divabot posted:Double post, but I bring the content! Another book excerpt, this one on the concept of pwnage. Sandifer posted:Moldbug unpacks this in terms of Dawkins’ own famed biological metaphor for ideas as “memes,” focusing on the idea of a parasitic memeplex, which is to say, a hostile and destructive cluster of ideas. Being Moldbug, he approaches this in preposterously manichean terms, proclaiming that “when we see two populations of memes in conflict, we know both cannot be healthy, because a healthy meme is true by definition and the truth cannot conflict with itself.” I showed this quote to a friend, and he got super angry at Moldbug's creationist-level understanding of biology metaphors. It was hilarious.
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May 4, 2016 14:42
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How does your friend feel about Richard Dawkins? 
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May 4, 2016 15:52
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neonnoodle posted:How does your friend feel about Richard Dawkins? He tried to read The Selfish Gene but apparently it gets bogged down by Dawkins whining about Christianity being a virus and most of what it says Dawkins has walked back over the years anyways.
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May 4, 2016 16:12
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I just pretend Richard Dawkins died on the same day Christopher Hitchens passed away. It's better than watching him ruin his own legacy with batshit crazy NRx endorsements.
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May 4, 2016 20:05
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A White Guy posted:I just pretend Richard Dawkins died on the same day Christopher Hitchens passed away. It's better than watching him ruin his own legacy with batshit crazy NRx endorsements. And what a legacy it was 
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May 4, 2016 20:09
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I don't understand why that excerpt is talking about Dawkins getting pwned. Dawkins has never pwned anyone, and no one will ever pwn him.
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May 4, 2016 20:12
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He coined the term 'meme'. 
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May 4, 2016 20:14
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A White Guy posted:He coined the term 'meme'. I know, but even if I didn't I'd still stand by my after learning this.
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May 4, 2016 20:16
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GunnerJ posted:I don't understand why that excerpt is talking about Dawkins getting pwned. Dawkins has never pwned anyone, and no one will ever pwn him. I dunno, I think getting him to ask that people stop calling him "Dick Dorkins" counts as a pwn.
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May 4, 2016 20:23
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I don't remember The Selfish Gene making any comment on religion, except maybe in the part where he talks about memes but that's a completely separate appendix iirc
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May 4, 2016 20:24
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Who What Now posted:I dunno, I think getting him to ask that people stop calling him "Dick Dorkins" counts as a pwn. https://twitter.com/richarddawkins/status/336048706853937152
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May 4, 2016 20:25
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My podcast does its job, driving the right sort of person into a fury. Of course he attempts to use the best of Yudkowsky to refute the typical of Yudkowsky, and of course he's a Bitcoiner who thinks we need to address questions about race more and uses the term "Antiversity" and reblogs Steve Sailer.
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May 4, 2016 20:44
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NRxaB is Sneer Culture, yes, but if it isn't also a 50,000-word post on Cafe Chesscourt I don't know what is.
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May 4, 2016 20:51
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May 4, 2016 20:55
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A White Guy posted:He coined the term 'meme'. Hey kids, here's a new idea for how ideas work. I can't decide if it's more like genes or viruses, which, in the terms of my specialty, is kind of like not knowing if something is more like a horn toad or an eyeball, but I feel the thin veneer of scienciness will be enough that some internet person will take this seriously, then re-purpose it to mean pictures of a puffin with terrible opinions. -the lost final final chapter of the Selfish Gene
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May 4, 2016 21:17
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Heath posted:I don't remember The Selfish Gene making any comment on religion, except maybe in the part where he talks about memes but that's a completely separate appendix iirc I asked him and he said in later editions, it's in the preface. In the first edition you apparently have to wait a few chapters.
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May 4, 2016 21:20
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Hey kids, here's a new idea for how ideas work. I can't decide if it's more like genes or viruses, which, in the terms of my specialty, is kind of like not knowing if something is more like a horn toad or an eyeball, but I feel the thin veneer of scienciness will be enough that some internet person will take this seriously, then re-purpose it to mean pictures of a puffin with terrible opinions. Now there's a pretty meme! Exquisite! Man, now I just wish they had gotten Dawkins to voice Monsoon.
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May 4, 2016 21:28
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Hey kids, here's a new idea for how ideas work. I can't decide if it's more like genes or viruses, which, in the terms of my specialty, is kind of like not knowing if something is more like a horn toad or an eyeball, but I feel the thin veneer of scienciness will be enough that some internet person will take this seriously, then re-purpose it to mean pictures of a puffin with terrible opinions. Why, no, I have never heard of semiotics why do you
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May 4, 2016 21:40
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neonnoodle posted:P.S. Do you really expect neckbeards to  out over a branch of the humanities?
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May 4, 2016 21:53
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neonnoodle posted:P.S. Or like, the entire science of anthropology.
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May 4, 2016 21:54
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Or like, the entire science of anthropology. Sweet merciful loving Jesus don't even get me started on NRx/DE and anthropology... 
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May 4, 2016 21:56
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Oligopsony posted:NRxaB is Sneer Culture, yes, but if it isn't also a 50,000-word post on Cafe Chesscourt I don't know what is. To be fair, the podcast is in fact the last chapter of The Northern Caves.
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May 4, 2016 22:02
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Let's see, eugenics and idiots who should have no place in the field acting out their nazi fetishism. Poe rose back from the dead, saw the net, and died again, in pain of knowing his Law has became meaningless.
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May 4, 2016 22:06
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inkblot posted:Now there's a pretty meme! Exquisite! I wonder if more people have been exposed to that idea through Revengeance than through Dawkins' work.
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May 5, 2016 00:05
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Just listened back to the podcast. Jesus, I sound like my father, you can hear the doddering coming in already. Good once we get warmed up though. The upset listener before must have listened at least as far as minute 57, so full points to him. Hopefully you'll enjoy it.
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May 5, 2016 00:20
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divabot posted:Just listened back to the podcast. Jesus, I sound like my father, you can hear the doddering coming in already. Good once we get warmed up though. The upset listener before must have listened at least as far as minute 57, so full points to him. Hopefully you'll enjoy it. I thought it was pretty good. You were both on the nose about Yudkowsky's sincerity making him way easier to like than Land or Moldbug.
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May 5, 2016 00:27
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The podcast was enjoyable and made me discover that despite being a regular reader of I Die: You Die and having even re-read Alex Reed's book, I'd never heard Seeming. So it was a bonus!
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May 5, 2016 06:00
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Hey kids, here's a new idea for how ideas work. I can't decide if it's more like genes or viruses, which, in the terms of my specialty, is kind of like not knowing if something is more like a horn toad or an eyeball, but I feel the thin veneer of scienciness will be enough that some internet person will take this seriously, then re-purpose it to mean pictures of a puffin with terrible opinions. To be fair, it is a matter of some debate in the genetics community about where viruses end and genes begin with regards to things like viral DNA that has ended up stuck in another organism and has lost the ability to move out and non-tandem repeat DNA which are chunks that copied all willy-nilly throughout your genome, for no real purpose other than replicating themselves. Of course genetics has proved things like "98% of human variation occurs within populations, only 2% between them" so it's not like being scientifically wrong has stopped NRx types before
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MikeCrotch posted:To be fair, it is a matter of some debate in the genetics community about where viruses end and genes begin with regards to things like viral DNA that has ended up stuck in another organism and has lost the ability to move out and non-tandem repeat DNA which are chunks that copied all willy-nilly throughout your genome, for no real purpose other than replicating themselves. Thank you for making my hatred of dick dorkins more accurate
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May 5, 2016 12:39
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To be fair, though, we don't have a way of quantifying meaningful phenotypic difference on the basis of the percentage of shared alleles. Like, who's to say if it's that 1-2% that "counts"? The issues, IMO, have more to do with the lack of a rigorous definition of intelligence, let alone any good evidence for its genetic underpinning. Human intelligence is polymorphic and situational, it doesn't make sense to talk about it as a phenotype.
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May 5, 2016 12:44
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Hey, that book's like 40 years old. It can be a little wrong. Semiotics was like 100 years old at the time, though.
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May 5, 2016 13:30
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There's an alternate universe where Dawkins was kinda live and let live on religion and Gould was super aggro about it, and in that universe nerds go really hard on punctuated equilibrium and spandrels and never mention meme theory.
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May 5, 2016 13:37
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The Vosgian Beast posted:There's an alternate universe where Dawkins was kinda live and let live on religion and Gould was super aggro about it, and in that universe nerds go really hard on punctuated equilibrium and spandrels and never mention meme theory. 
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May 5, 2016 13:55
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The Vosgian Beast posted:There's an alternate universe where Dawkins was kinda live and let live on religion and Gould was super aggro about it, and in that universe nerds go really hard on punctuated equilibrium and spandrels and never mention meme theory. There's also one where Marx finished all six volumes of Das Kapital and we achieved global communism. This is truly the darkest timeline
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May 5, 2016 14:52
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The NaB KS is over $6K so we're getting the Trump chapter! I'd say we've got a great shot at the Austrian Economics chapter and maybe a few more!
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May 5, 2016 15:28
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GunnerJ posted:I don't understand why that excerpt is talking about Dawkins getting pwned. Dawkins has never pwned anyone, and no one will ever pwn him. He had a public meltdown over a jar of honey. He loving pwned himself. This is just a single one in a long list of public meltdowns by him.
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May 5, 2016 20:31
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Ddraig posted:He had a public meltdown over a jar of honey. I need to know more.
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May 5, 2016 20:35
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Night10194 posted:I need to know more. Dick Dorkins, inventor of memes: 
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But calling him Dick Dorkins sounds like a reference to Dick Durkin, who is a loving awesome character and should never be linked with Richard Dawkins in any way. "We're going to need bigger guns. Big, big loving guns." -- Dick Durkin, Split Second* *If you haven't seen Split Second, go watch it. Relevant scene here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQvMWD-_Nfo
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