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"Hey, watch me stick this thing down right on the edge of the runway for all these people!" http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aee_1462410156 (skip to 30 seconds in)
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May 5, 2016 07:04
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wdarkk posted:
The aircraft equivalent of "brah's first AR-15." "I added a rail to my rail so I could have two laser sights and a tac light, pretty sick, huh? Can't seem to get good groupings, though...it's like the thing's front heavy or something."
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May 5, 2016 07:13
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You want sleek?   Ordinarily I subscribe wholeheartedly to the school of painting aircraft black, but this is, eh... kinda tacky?  BTW if you want to see Swedish cold war jets and happen to be in Europe this summer, here's the historic flight's air show schedule - look for the green box in the right column. Red's unverified.
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May 5, 2016 14:26
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Did someone say sleek?
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May 5, 2016 15:55
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I think someone did. https://zippy.gfycat.com/BasicElegantDragonfly.webm https://zippy.gfycat.com/IcySarcasticDassie.webm
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May 5, 2016 16:11
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I want that company to build a massive archive of every sexy beast in the air. Warbirds, modern aircraft, all of it.
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May 5, 2016 16:47
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Actual discussion topic (this never goes well) It was big news mid last year that Russia got really good at electronic warfare and has been highly effective at jamming Ukrainian comms/radar/GPS/other nav. Now Ukranian officers have met with American officers and the American officers fear there's an EW gap when hearing about the Russian's capabilities. While we've been balls deep in COIN operations with their relatively easy to disrupt coms/remote detonators and some cyber ops, Russia has been upping their EW game in a big way. Related articles: http://thediplomat.com/2016/04/russias-surging-electronic-warfare-capabilities/ http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/warfare/2015/08/02/us-army-ukraine-russia-electronic-warfare/30913397/ Count down to jamming pod race.
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May 5, 2016 23:05
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CarForumPoster posted:Actual discussion topic (this never goes well) It seems that the US has really gotten complacent or almost negligent when it comes to certain areas like EW, instead appearing to put all their eggs into "sexy" areas like stealth and Railguns. Is it true that the Air Force pretty much has to rely on EZ/F-18's or is that bullshit?
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May 5, 2016 23:21
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Blistex posted:It seems that the US has really gotten complacent or almost negligent when it comes to certain areas like EW, instead appearing to put all their eggs into "sexy" areas like stealth and Railguns. Is it true that the Air Force pretty much has to rely on EZ/F-18's or is that bullshit? AFAIK The only purpose built "smart" airborne jamming asset is growlers. That, said I dont know that much.
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May 5, 2016 23:35
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Blistex posted:Is it true that the Air Force pretty much has to rely on EZ/F-18's or is that bullshit? Absolutely true. Some platforms have self-protection pods, but beyond that, the AF relies on the Prowler/Growler.
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May 6, 2016 00:25
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Making that even better are all the fuckwit nimbys who bought property near a place that's been a Naval Air Station since 1941 whinging about planes being noisy and trying to get it shut down. I just wish they'd fly my way and lower more often, haven't been able to get any decent pictures. Been tempted to call their complaint line and tell them they don't fly enough, but don't want to add to the calls received statistic.
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May 6, 2016 01:06
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Blistex posted:It seems that the US has really gotten complacent or almost negligent when it comes to certain areas like EW, instead appearing to put all their eggs into "sexy" areas like stealth and Railguns. Is it true that the Air Force pretty much has to rely on EZ/F-18's or is that bullshit? What the Russians are doing in Ukraine has been mostly ground based jamming which is where the capability and countermeasure gap really is from what I've read. Ground forces comm's can be hosed up enough with no hostile EW. I would imagine it would make combined arm's operations very difficult.
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May 6, 2016 01:22
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drzrma posted:Making that even better are all the fuckwit nimbys who bought property near a place that's been a Naval Air Station since 1941 whinging about planes being noisy and trying to get it shut down. I just wish they'd fly my way and lower more often, haven't been able to get any decent pictures. Been tempted to call their complaint line and tell them they don't fly enough, but don't want to add to the calls received statistic. One call probably isn't that big of a deal, and I guarantee that whoever picks up the call will appreciate the change.
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May 6, 2016 01:28
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Godholio posted:Absolutely true. Some platforms have self-protection pods, but beyond that, the AF relies on the Prowler/Growler. Godholio posted:Absolutely true. Some platforms have self-protection pods, but beyond that, the AF relies on the Prowler/Growler. Aren't there still like 2 EC-130s out there?
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May 6, 2016 02:09
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Blistex posted:It seems that the US has really gotten complacent or almost negligent when it comes to certain areas like EW, instead appearing to put all their eggs into "sexy" areas like stealth and Railguns. Is it true that the Air Force pretty much has to rely on EZ/F-18's or is that bullshit? The US and most friends have spent a gazillion dollars and manhours on EW and all related things, it is a huge focus area across the entirety of DoD. I get why there'd be a perception that it wasn't a huge area of emphasis because who wants to post killer hi-rez pictures of a CMIC or have endless debates about NIE or Ramstein Guard, but the emphasis is absolutely there. That being said our ground forces have a pretty big gap in comparison, we think, to the Russians: they employ EW (and cyber) capabilities at lower tactical echelons far better than we do. We basically don't do crap with EW below the brigade, while the Russians have an EW guy in a fire team*. There are some good reasons why we keep EW/cyber stuff at higher echelons: spectrum fratricide, collateral effects and so on, but the speed at which this stuff happens makes the more centralized model a pretty big liability. *exaggerated for effect
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May 6, 2016 02:10
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^Because it's been over a decade since the topic was taken seriously throughout the Pentagon. They're waking up finally. But it's absolutely been neglected.standard.deviant posted:Aren't there still like 2 EC-130s out there? There are about a dozen. But they're also big slow targets out there, unlike the fighter-sized platforms. That makes them unsuitable for certain things. Godholio fucked around with this message at 02:25 on May 6, 2016 |
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May 6, 2016 02:19
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Godholio posted:^Because it's been over a decade since the topic was taken seriously throughout the Pentagon. They're waking up finally. But it's absolutely been neglected. What sort of qualities do you want in a fighter sized EW platform? Would an "EF-15E Electric Eagle" or something similar work for this role, or is there some other quality needed that current airframes don't have?
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May 6, 2016 04:26
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Davin Valkri posted:What sort of qualities do you want in a fighter sized EW platform? Would an "EF-15E Electric Eagle" or something similar work for this role, or is there some other quality needed that current airframes don't have? I meant the 130s aren't ideal for certain things. I think the Growler's great, as long as it's not forced to languish and can keep pace with technology. I think an Eagle variant would be fantastic, honestly.
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May 6, 2016 04:50
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TheFluff posted:You want sleek? How is the RCS on that thing? Tell me they're going to restore it? There better be a good story behind it
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May 6, 2016 05:09
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I have no idea what I'm talking about (and that's never stopped me before) but don't you need a few guys in the back actually running the EW stuff? The Growler had a pilot and 3 crew, right?
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May 6, 2016 05:09
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Smiling Jack posted:I have no idea what I'm talking about (and that's never stopped me before) but don't you need a few guys in the back actually running the EW stuff? The Growler had a pilot and 3 crew, right? The Prowler (old one) had a pilot and three NFOs to run the systems. The Growler (new one) has a pilot and one NFO, with vastly better computers and automation to do more stuff than the Prowler with half the crew. And there are jamming systems designed for single-seat fighters that you basically set up on deck, and then push the "on" button and it does its thing autonomously. It just depends on what particular capabilities you want.
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May 6, 2016 05:26
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Suicide Watch posted:How is the RCS on that thing? The swamp angel is going to stay like that. Too much history as a ghost plane in the swamps on New Guinea  Crab Dad fucked around with this message at 06:27 on May 6, 2016 |
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May 6, 2016 05:34
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New Guinea isn't New Zealand.
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May 6, 2016 05:45
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Six‐week hike through the jungle. 
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May 6, 2016 05:54
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Sperglord Actual posted:New Guinea isn't New Zealand. Oops.
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May 6, 2016 06:26
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Wingnut Ninja posted:The Prowler (old one) had a pilot and three NFOs to run the systems. The Growler (new one) has a pilot and one NFO, with vastly better computers and automation to do more stuff than the Prowler with half the crew. And there are jamming systems designed for single-seat fighters that you basically set up on deck, and then push the "on" button and it does its thing autonomously. It just depends on what particular capabilities you want.
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May 6, 2016 06:43
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Dead Reckoning posted:Yeah, it's kinda scary how the future of EW is starting to look more and more like it's going to be duels conducted between ECM and ECCM computers, and if the enemy has exploited your systems and programmed accordingly, you are fuuuuuuuuucked.
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May 6, 2016 08:45
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Wizard War Mk2A3E7 mod 4.
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May 6, 2016 10:45
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MrYenko posted:Super Tomcats and A-6Fs flying alongside Super Hornets is pretty much my fantasy 2016 CAG.  What would the ratio look like in your fantasy 2016 CAG?
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May 6, 2016 11:07
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Baloogan posted:
Good christ the mx complement you'd need on that ship... Those C-2As would be flying non-stop for parts. Also kind of odd it's carrying F-model Super Bugs but no Growlers.
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May 6, 2016 11:13
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ah crap, definitely need some growlers Also has both the General Dynamics/Westinghouse and the Huges/Raytheon AIM-152 proposals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-152_AAAM as a modern take on the Pheonix Tomcats need their pheonix! 
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May 6, 2016 11:30
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I love modding ships in this game to include things like an 8 pack LRASM launcher on the LCS where it get's it's targeting info from it's drones or a Triton.
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May 6, 2016 11:56
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Xerxes17 posted:Wizard War Mk2A3E7 mod 4. It looks like you're trying to jam an air war in Asia.
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May 6, 2016 13:29
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Blistex posted:It seems that the US has really gotten complacent or almost negligent when it comes to certain areas like EW, instead appearing to put all their eggs into "sexy" areas like stealth and Railguns. Is it true that the Air Force pretty much has to rely on EZ/F-18's or is that bullshit? I don't see what the airframe has to do with anything other than it's ability to deliver power to subsystems. It's the equipment fixed to the chassis that's important. All I will say is that EW has been a high-priority, high-visibility and high-dollar value subject for as long as I've been in Space & Defense. bewbies posted:...[the Russians] employ EW (and cyber) capabilities at lower tactical echelons far better than we do. We basically don't do crap with EW below the brigade This isn't true. e: Let me rephrase, what are you defining as the minimal EW capability here that you would like to see lower than the Brigade level? Because I know of several systems that get pushed down to Company (or lower) level depending on threat assessment. Murgos fucked around with this message at 13:54 on May 6, 2016 |
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May 6, 2016 13:35
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Murgos posted:
Bening and Gordon sure seem to think it is. If you want to go classified we can discuss the gap statements I guess.
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May 6, 2016 14:01
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block51 posted:I love it when I get a chance to see a ton of C-17's in a row sometimes when flying into CHS. Going to airshows at Charleston AFB was one of the things I always looked forward to growing up. I absolutely loved flying into Northwest Florida Regional Airport; they rent a runway from Eglin AFB, so you wind up taxiing past a line up of F-16s and a few F-35s. Here's one of them, loaded with a bunch of test stuff: 
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May 6, 2016 17:38
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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The B-52 really doesn't deserve 1/2 it's nickname (BUFF = Big Ugly Fat Fucker) I think it has really elegant lines. Sort of like a U-2 and a Sabre had a kid. 
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