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Open Source Idiom posted:They're going to shoot ALIE down with that rocket, aren't they? What rocket? Does Mt Wx still have a functional ICBM? Also I'd totally forgot there was a piece of The Ark still in orbit--but of course that was where Jaha was.
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Astroman posted:What rocket? Does Mt Wx still have a functional ICBM? That piece of the Ark also has more nukes on it  or did Jaha ride the last one down? I can't remember.
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May 6, 2016 04:54
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Monty is hardcore as gently caress. He not only killed his mom, he later gets her loving deleted from existence. Like... drat.
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May 6, 2016 05:11
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Huh, it's not that I didn't think the show had to balls to basically tease Luna taking then chip and then not doing it (either by dying or refusing it so well as to avoid taking it). It's just that now I'm curious exactly where the show is gonna go with that point now, aren't there only like 2 episodes left, because it hasn't really put itself in any real direction coming out of it. Luna was a BAMF though, she just tore through everyone like it was no one's business. Clarke, Bellamy and Octavia did not need saving to save her, that's for sure.
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May 6, 2016 05:45
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I appreciate that Raven can see CoL in the code, and also ALIE is a woman in a red dress. For real you guys Erica Cerra has been loving killing it.
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May 6, 2016 08:19
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This episode was amazing!  ALIE was nearly defeated THREE times and she managed to get away twice in a row at the very last second thanks to people hesitating because she had control over people they loved.I'm assuming someone is going to figure out how to accept the Flame and then they'll take the key as a way to get "inside" and defeat ALIE. Either they're going to find a little kid somewhere or Raven is going to reverse engineer the black blood stuff. Poor Monty.  They were so close!
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May 6, 2016 08:31
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Astroman posted:What rocket? Does Mt Wx still have a functional ICBM? Mt Wx doesn't have a functional anything anymore.
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May 6, 2016 09:50
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"We gave her a choice, she said no." Jesus Christ. I'm really glad the Luna storyline ended like it did though because her taking the AI and having an AI vs AI battle would literally have been too much deus ex machina. Also it shows she's actually sticking to her principals of how there's always another way or something. I mean if you think about it the whole show has been about people doing horrible things to survive and Luna's different in the sense that she not only thinks there's a different way but also believes it by saying gently caress off to the AI and sticking to it. By the way I noticed when Luna was grieving over the guy she murdered that Alie was still there. The only other people in that room were Jasper and the little girl. I don't think Jasper was chipped but I could see the little girl being chipped and just told to act scared. Which means other people on board would be chipped as well.
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May 6, 2016 11:17
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ALIE was shown only while Luna's boyfriend/husband/partner had his eyes open. I was paranoid too, but ALIE wasn't shown in the room after he breathed his last and closed his eyes. 
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May 6, 2016 12:46
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Part of me is expecting Clarke to take the AI as some sort of last resort and then lead everyone to a massacre of the city of light
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May 6, 2016 12:50
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Boris Galerkin posted:By the way I noticed when Luna was grieving over the guy she murdered that Alie was still there. The only other people in that room were Jasper and the little girl. I don't think Jasper was chipped but I could see the little girl being chipped and just told to act scared. Which means other people on board would be chipped as well. That's right, but also maybe not right. First of all, Luna's husband or whomever he is was still moving around when Clarke et al. burst into the room, so there were others there, but that is by no means a suggestion that anyone locked in the shipping container was chipped. As for the girl being chipped, maybe. Just as the guy is breathing his last we see the camera panning away from ALIE while she is in the background and decidedly not in focus. Chipped or not, ALIE knows where they are so we may well not yet be done with them.
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May 6, 2016 13:05
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I just realized that when Clarke finally destroys the CoL she will have upped her genocide game to include people that are already dead. Not even death can keep you from Ghengis Clarke.
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May 6, 2016 13:33
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Clarke, destroyer of people and their afterlives!  I am surprised that the Luna storyline ended the way it did as with the 2-part finale approaching I really have no idea where they're going or how they're gonna go about it.
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ALIE knows Emerson is dead, so I take it that was a hint that one of the people in the decon room is chipped? Or did ALIE somehow find out, because Clarke chipped him with 2.0?
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May 6, 2016 14:21
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I expect the Luna thing is partially set-up for next season -- the previous three seasons started their set-up around now, after all. Unless ALLIE is still going to be a thing next season, which seems unlikely.
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May 6, 2016 14:24
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That set-up does make me a little worried though. As badass as Luna is, it would seem S4 will deal with what, the political fallout from the rumble in the City of Light? Doesn't sound particularly exciting; let's hope the writers take this seasons criticism on board.
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ufarn posted:ALIE knows Emerson is dead, so I take it that was a hint that one of the people in the decon room is chipped? ALIE knew Sinclair was dead. I...I'm not sure how she knew that. Edit: Bellamy assumed a drone followed them from Arkadia so perhaps she saw the funeral
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Yeah, that's an interesting point. Maybe it's cynical to think so but if one of the main characters is secretly chipped and masking it, I would bet anything on Bellamy. Would give the writers a nice little out for all the mistakes they made with him this year.
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May 6, 2016 18:29
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Clarke did a terrible job trying to put the chip in Luna. All she had to do was give Luna a 'friendly' pat on the top of the shoulder while secretly holding the chip and then utter the special words and bam, Luna is chipped.
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TMMadman posted:Clarke did a terrible job trying to put the chip in Luna. All she had to do was give Luna a 'friendly' pat on the top of the shoulder while secretly holding the chip and then utter the special words and bam, Luna is chipped. Clarke is terrible at everything but killing people.
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May 6, 2016 19:33
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I know this show has a lot of violence but I was genuinely surprised they waterboarded Luna. Great episode overall.
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Did anyone else think that this episode was leading to "ALIE is on the oil rig, our only choice is to sink it, killing everyone"? I suppose it could still happen. Otherwise I'm not sure how they'll fit a genocide into the finale, as is tradition.
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May 6, 2016 19:41
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The City of Light is ripe for the taking.
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Just here to reiterate how awesome it is that we have a show where "teenage girl protagonist slaughters hundreds" is a beloved finale tradition. 
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Spergatory posted:Just here to reiterate how awesome it is that we have a show where "teenage girl protagonist slaughters hundreds" is a beloved finale tradition. Not only that, but she's bi. Which is dope af.
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esperterra posted:Not only that, but she's bi. Which is dope af. non-discriminatory killing and sexing i like it
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The way of the future imho
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Good episode. I feel like this season has had a lot of good episodes that don't necessarily tie into each other as well as I'd like. The main story is pretty decent, but on a smaller story arc basis it seems like they haven't been as smooth as they could be. Take this episode where Raven/Monty and Murphy/Pike/Indra almost did stuff that would have stopped ALIE but didn't manage it. I think they missed a clear point where they could have could have done something that wouldn't kill ALIE outright, but would maybe temporarily disable the zombie people or something until the Migration was complete, thus allowing oil rig crew to fight them off. I mean, obviously it doesn't have to fit together so cleanly, but I do think this show sometimes falls into a habit of jangling keys in the audience's face and ripping them away. That old "A bad thing was almost avoided, but it wasn't and it meant nothing. We only put it in here to up the tension" Anyway, this show is still doing a good job of spurring weird emotional reactions to events. As an example I was very happy when Monty killed his mom a second time. ALIE has gotten really grotesquely brutal lately. The crucifixes, the waterboarding, it's a little hosed up. Luna owns, best character in a while. I love all the ideology characters this show is flinging around. Speaking of, it's nice to see Pike continue to develop, I like the angle of "oh yeah he's horrible but at least he's human" that appears to be going on. Still really wish they bothered to develop his character with the flashbacks and everything earlier in the season.
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:
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What would have been so hard about being straight with Luna? Instead of treating her like a primitive and trying to shove "The Flame" down her throat talking about traditions, have a frank 30 minute conversation with an adult about ALIE even if she didn't believe you, after she has to stab her husband/boyfriend in the heart and experiences the chipping thing first hand she is likely to believe you.
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There's an evil spirit possessing people, and it wants to possess and enslave every human in the world. Only the spirit of the Commander can stop it and save humanity.
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The current fan theory is that Jasper took the chip during the torture sequence. Evidence for it is a coupe of weird reaction he has at the end of the episode, a shot where you might be able to see ALIE in the background just after Derrick dies and ALIE knowing Sinclair is dead, a memory she'd have access to if she chipped Jasper. Seems fairly likely, hence the spoiler. Lycus posted:There's an evil spirit possessing people, and it wants to possess and enslave every human in the world. Only the spirit of the Commander can stop it and save humanity. From what I understand this basically happens, but Luna doesn't really buy the reasoning that she has to become the Commander to stop her people from getting chipped.
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May 7, 2016 13:08
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I kinda get the feeling that Luna would actually have taken the flame if Clarke didn't try to force it on her early on. At this point, she's basically caught between two factions trying to force their agendas on her and she's not loving taking it.
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:The current fan theory is that Jasper took the chip during the torture sequence. Evidence for it is a coupe of weird reaction he has at the end of the episode, a shot where you might be able to see ALIE in the background just after Derrick dies and ALIE knowing Sinclair is dead, a memory she'd have access to if she chipped Jasper. The obvious question is "why?" Jasper has always had a very strong gently caress You streak and Alie had zero emotional leverage on him. Though we do know from finale shots that Jasper winds up in the City of Light, I just figured it was something he'd do as part of a plan, to give Monty and Raven an access point or something. They did just introduce the fact that Monty and Raven have one chip left, so theoretically if they strap Jasper to a table, plug some wires into him, and chip him, they might be able to work some magic. Though I suppose that's just what I hope happens, because having Jasper just give up and take the chip would run extremely counter to his character and undercut his entire arc. It would also make him irredeemable in the eyes of the audience, since he'd be the only "good guy" who took the chip knowing full well what it did, without doing it to save anyone. Plus, hasn't Monty lost enough? 
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Ugh god I don't like that theory but a lot of the last episode did nod towards there being a chipped spy in Clarke's camp. It would also raise the dramatic stakes more than "a drone was watching everything."
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Spergatory posted:Though I suppose that's just what I hope happens, because having Jasper just give up and take the chip would run extremely counter to his character and undercut his entire arc. It would also make him irredeemable in the eyes of the audience, since he'd be the only "good guy" who took the chip knowing full well what it did, without doing it to save anyone. Plus, hasn't Monty lost enough? Well I never.
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Sober posted:What, are you implying that The 100 is a show that might even think of undercutting or undermining character development for the sake of plot? Yeah, but it usually doesn't happen to my characters, so it's fine. 
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Spergatory posted:Though I suppose that's just what I hope happens, because having Jasper just give up and take the chip would run extremely counter to his character and undercut his entire arc. It would also make him irredeemable in the eyes of the audience, since he'd be the only "good guy" who took the chip knowing full well what it did, without doing it to save anyone. Plus, hasn't Monty lost enough? Yeah, I fully agree. It'd absolutely be another note of this show undercutting it's own work in the symphony of near misses
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