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Chokes McGee posted:Why do you keep watching this show if you hate it so much? I mean, not trying to white knight here, but it seems like your life would be a lot happier if you like got a dog and went to a park to play with it instead. Hate-watching is a TVIV tradition, haven't you heard? Try to keep up.
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The show is stupid fun. Ascribing or expecting any value to it higher than that is a mistake.
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May 7, 2016 01:13
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Phylodox posted:I can't wait until next week, when the Legends of Tomorrow have Savage cornered, only to have him escape by throwing a sheet over himself and chasing them through the Vanishing Point because he's a g-g-g-g-ghost!!! Now I am going to be so disappointed when this doesn't happen 
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May 7, 2016 01:16
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Longbaugh01 posted:The show is stupid fun. Ascribing or expecting any value to it higher than that is a mistake. yeah, it was soooo fun watching Kendra reading a love poem to chained up Carter 
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May 7, 2016 01:22
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Longbaugh01 posted:The show is stupid fun. Ascribing or expecting any value to it higher than that is a mistake. I don't think anyone is expecting more than this. The problem is 'stupid fun' works best when the characters are the fun part and the situations they encounter are stupid or absurd. We're getting the exact opposite of this.
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May 7, 2016 01:32
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:The dumbest part about that scene was there was no point for him to try to escape in the first place. He was gonna be set free regardless. It was all total filler to kill time because this show is written by idiots. He could have kicked ray's rear end and locked himself back up and nothing would have changed. There's actually no reason why Savage needed to escape at all. He wanted to get to thr Time Masters. ubachung posted:It sounds like you're defending the show, but 'just skip parts' and 'of course it's predictable' don't really seem like great arguments. Savage didnt even need to escape. He escapes and then get capturrd again. Thry could have done many things which would have been less frustrating. I guess they didnt have the budget and needed an episode 95% on the ship.
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May 7, 2016 02:16
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This show is stupid and I like it the way it is. I enjoy the characters too much, even when they're acting stupid for the sake of the plot or whatever. The "WE ARE NOT SO DIFFERENT YOU AND I" line made me cringe only because they already used it like two weeks ago on The Flash. Did someone on the writing team lose a bet and had to use the same thing on both shows?
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May 7, 2016 03:44
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I don't hate this show, it's just starting to annoy the hell out of me. I consider all three (four?) DC shows a single TV entity, so until all of them become unwatchable, I'mma try as hard as I can to stick with all of them.CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Now I am going to be so disappointed when this doesn't happen It won't. He'll stand in a corner with a lampshade on his head, instead. This will work flawlessly until Martin tries to change his lightbulb.
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May 7, 2016 04:45
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Krad posted:The "WE ARE NOT SO DIFFERENT YOU AND I" line made me cringe only because they already used it like two weeks ago on The Flash. I also cringed. We're not so different, you and I...
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May 7, 2016 06:45
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I actually think this episode could have worked better with Savage essentially playing dumb and losing to everyone. Have everyone come in and talk to him, insult him, blow off his insults, not fall for his goading, and successfully take him to the Vanishing Point without trouble, and him appearing to be beaten down... and then we get the twist, he stops the pretension, and laughs at them as they're now the caged ones.
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May 7, 2016 06:48
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In related news: If you have a Redbox nearby, this week they released a new low-budget sci-fi movie called 400 Days, about four astronauts who are locked into a space mission simulator for... you guessed it, 400 days. And things start to happen that they suspect are not part of the simulation. And two of the four are Brandon Routh and Caity Lotz, along with Dane Cook and some other guy. And Tom Cavanagh from The Flash is in it too. It was okay -- not a new classic, but definitely worth seeing if you like high-concept sci-fi, psychological thrillers, and those actors. It was definitely less cringeworthy than this week's episode.
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May 7, 2016 07:01
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If you didn't suspect the Time Masters being in league with Vandal Savage from the moment they told Rip he couldn't go after the immortal guy hell bent on dominating the entire world then you probably are out right dumb. I think that's the most frustrating part about this show. It frames the most obvious of plot points as twists and afterward I'm left disappointed because it was so glaringly obvious. Mick being Chronos, Rips shenanigans being the actual catalyst for Savage's uprising to power, Rip's shenanigans letting Savage on to time travel being possible in the first place, and the "twist" from this weeks episode. All super obvious and more than occasionally called wayyyy ahead of time by posters in this very thread. And the romance. I know it's a CW show but just let me have a superhero show without any overbearing romances. Agents of SHIELD does a good job of this. Fitz and Simmons, Daisy and Squidward/Lincoln, yeah there's romance. But it doesn't take center stage and also ruin every other aspect of the show. They are B plots. The love quadrilateral going on in LoT is very much an A plot for some episodes and... Ugh. We spent so much time setting Ray up to fail whilst also throwing up giant red flags. His stupidity really does know no bounds sometimes. Same goes for just about everyone other than Snart.
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May 7, 2016 07:31
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ubachung posted:It sounds like you're defending the show, but 'just skip parts' and 'of course it's predictable' don't really seem like great arguments. At this point I am rooting for Savage. His speech to Rip about seeing dozens of his children die in his arms to old age over 4,000 years made some sense. He has seen every major civilization fall and has a perspective nobody else does. Add to that the Time Masters are helping him and talking about how short sighted Rip is. The guy who was a master of time and decided to settle his family in the middle of the bloodiest conflict in Earths history with the death of billions. It makes it seem like Savage taking over the world and killing Billions actually saves the human race from destroying the planet/extinction and Rip is just an rear end in a top hat that is endlessly seeking revenge regardless of the cost.
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May 7, 2016 07:37
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Fat Shat Sings posted:At this point I am rooting for Savage. I completely agree. As I said earlier, we've tried monarchies, democracies, and many other nation-based forms of government and they all eventually get hosed up. Furthermore, HeatWave/Chronos and Snart could easily make a deal with Savage to go around stealing stuff and causing mayhem around his devastation. OR the LoT could ditch Rip and work with Savage as a sort of clean-up and rehab crew. So he goes in, demolishes an area and takes it over, then they come along and help people on a local scale, re-building infrastructure for the survivors and helping them crawl from the wreckage. So Vandal gains 'political' power and they can still be do-gooders.
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May 7, 2016 12:40
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Fat Shat Sings posted:His speech to Rip about seeing dozens of his children die in his arms to old age over 4,000 years made some sense. He has seen every major civilization fall and has a perspective nobody else does. That was oddly humanizing for Savage. Everyone talks about how he's an unfeeling psychopath but that's completely at odds with that moment. I mean more than likely it's hideous writing but I'd be very interested of they run with "Savage is ruthless and callous but actually thinks he's doing the right thing for all of history." On the other hand he paled around with Stalin and murdered a dude so his buddies could drink his blood so going with the bad writing theory E: on the other other hand it was Carter so that may actually make him the biggest hero in history
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May 7, 2016 14:59
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If you think "huh maybe Vandal has the right idea" you're a horrid fascist just fyi
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May 7, 2016 17:58
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Chokes McGee posted:Everyone talks about how he's an unfeeling psychopath but that's completely at odds with that moment. Suddenly he's this enlightened long-con guy that's using chaos to destabilize the world regime to save the humanity from itself? Like he takes a TimeTrip to 1977 and finds that Kasnia nukes Israel and causes a holocaust because nothing is around to check them, so he TimeHax his way to 1975 to organize a Norwegian atomics sale that neutralizes that threat. We kind of see this in the Per Degaton era, as Vandal tries to get everyone to realize that environmental collapse is a generation away. So really, Vandal Savage is the Legend of Tomorrow. And Rip is our time villain. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 18:07 on May 7, 2016 |
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May 7, 2016 18:02
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the best Savage will always be the one from the JL episode where he destroyed the world and then became a regular chill dude
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May 7, 2016 19:09
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FilthyImp posted:That's because Flash introduced him as a pervert that gets his rocks off through his creepy hatefuck time-trigger fetish. His entire character was written as "Guy who murders Hawkpeople, sucks their mist, then sharpens knives while they regenerate". Everything else has been a timewasting enterprise on the whim of a guy that has a shitload of time on his hands. Sell nukes to Biyalistopia? Why the gently caress not. Genefuck 1950s whiteboys? Might be fun for a few years (also tuna salad). I imagine the writers are kicking themselves for using Ra's al-Ghul in Arrow, because that's his thing in the comics.
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May 7, 2016 19:16
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Xoidanor posted:I would agree except that Ray has been established as neither mentally ill or a hormonal 14-year old Well, he has been established as this now!
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May 7, 2016 20:22
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:It was okay -- not a new classic, but definitely worth seeing if you like high-concept sci-fi, psychological thrillers, and those actors. It was definitely less cringeworthy than this week's episode. This is actually the type of poo poo I eat up so thanks for the rec
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May 7, 2016 20:24
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Four Score posted:the best Savage will always be the one from the JL episode where he destroyed the world and then became a regular chill dude Pretty much this. I came in expecting JLAU coolness and instead got hawkgirl not being a huge badass, fawning over her lover.
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May 7, 2016 20:31
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Wait a sec, if Savage can time travel, then maybe it wasn't the timeline correcting itself every time Rip went back to save his family. Maybe Savage was just screwing with him and going back as many times as Rip did.
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May 7, 2016 21:19
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Krad posted:Wait a sec, if Savage can time travel, then maybe it wasn't the timeline correcting itself every time Rip went back to save his family. Maybe Savage was just screwing with him and going back as many times as Rip did. I'm betting the show is going to double down and go with something like the Time Masters not wanting Rip to off Savage because Savage is the First Time Lord and/or is integral to forming the Time Lords themselves. They can't let Rip save his family because that would erase them all from history.
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Rip's wife would go on to be history's most terrible dictator, and his son would release a cover of All Star that becomes the world anthem. They did what had to be done.
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May 7, 2016 22:30
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Chokes McGee posted:Why do you keep watching this show if you hate it so much? I mean, not trying to white knight here, but it seems like your life would be a lot happier if you like got a dog and went to a park to play with it instead. Because goons are insecure as hell, and so they only talk about things negatively to avoid the nightmare scenario of someone saying "Lol you like that? It's garbage you idiot." Chokes McGee posted:We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that because watching him clown on the team by having three backup plans and grinning WE'RE A LOT A-LIKE YOU AND IIII is pretty endearing to me Every time someone gives that speech, I think about Phantom Limb and Brock Samson. "We're not so different, you and I..." "Yeah, I don't need another 'We're not so different' speech, I get those a lot."
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I rewatched the last few episodes with my girlfriend today so she could catch up. Ummmmm am I crazy or are their younger selves STILL on the Waverider?
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May 8, 2016 00:47
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Windows 98 posted:I rewatched the last few episodes with my girlfriend today so she could catch up. Ummmmm am I crazy or are their younger selves STILL on the Waverider? No, they got dropped off with Foster Mom and young Rip in the time house.
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Windows 98 posted:I rewatched the last few episodes with my girlfriend today so she could catch up. Ummmmm am I crazy or are their younger selves STILL on the Waverider? They got dumped off at the Time Orphanage with lil' Rip "The Shanker" Hunter.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Rip's wife would go on to be history's most terrible dictator, and his son would release a cover of All Star that becomes the world anthem. They did what had to be done. Time Master's suck since half of that already happened. Anyways, I like this show, it's pulpy action and we need some of that on TV right now.
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May 8, 2016 02:47
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The Time Masters being in League with Savage is the least surprising twist in history.
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twistedmentat posted:The Time Masters being in League with Savage is the least surprising twist in history. Wanna empty quote this so hard.
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May 8, 2016 04:21
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WHY ARE WE STILL WATCHING THIS.
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Rhyno posted:WHY ARE WE STILL WATCHING THIS. Because some of us enjoy cheesy schlock, even if the plot has tons of holes in it.
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ApeHawk posted:Because some of us enjoy cheesy schlock, even if the plot has tons of holes in it. Yeah, basically. All three Arrowverse shows are bad, but at least this one still has fun moments inside the idiotic plots. That's more than I can say for Arrow, and were it not for Cisco and Harry, the Flash as well.
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May 8, 2016 05:26
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Rhyno posted:WHY ARE WE STILL WATCHING THIS. Sick burns from Savage.
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ded posted:Sick burns from Savage. Savage burns?
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DoctorWhat posted:If you think "huh maybe Vandal has the right idea" you're a horrid fascist just fyi
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I'd follow Caity Lotz down any rabbit hole, i'm in still but i'm not really enjoying it.
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