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SeanBeansShako posted:The more sober you get, the more horrific it becomes. Plunder all the wine and beer you can get. Don't insult anyones honour though! Full drunkenness would be ala the Meet the Pyro short.
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darthbob88 posted:Yeah, but the first chapter or two really needs to be that sort of upbeat CoD-style thing in the bright colourful fields of France. Give them some time to actually charge across no-man's land and give the Boche a taste of cold steel, let them think it's all fun and games, and then you start ramping up the oppressively brown and grey mud and imminent death. There should be a trench rat-bashing minigame during loading screens. Also the loading screens are long and boring and you have the chance to get randomly disconnected to represent dying to artillery and sniper shots and disease while sitting in the trench. These will be features
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How about a WW1 game that focuses on the engineers who endlessly go out to build and reinforce trenches. If you ever feel like you've got a good thing going, the front moves a little and you have to start all over again.
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SlothfulCobra posted:How about a WW1 game that focuses on the engineers who endlessly go out to build and reinforce trenches. If you ever feel like you've got a good thing going, the front moves a little and you have to start all over again. Then you get orders from Field Marshal Haig that you don't need to reinforce the trenches up front any more since we're going to go on the attack any second now! The next day the Germans launch the Spring Offensive. Also all of these ideas for WWI games are awful. What we really need is Trench Railway Tycoon.
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May 7, 2016 16:36
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Taerkar posted:Trenchcraft OMG Italian rush
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May 7, 2016 16:39
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Taerkar posted:Trenchcraft A billion people tried to make this game and it's always terrible.
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HEY GAL posted:30yw survival horror JaucheCharly posted:One of the best game ideas that I've heard in a long time. It's not though, it's her thesis title?
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House Louse posted:It's not though, it's her thesis title?
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May 7, 2016 16:42
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The city was on fire and it wasn't my fault
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darthbob88 posted:Yeah, but the first chapter or two really needs to be that sort of upbeat CoD-style thing in the bright colourful fields of France. Give them some time to actually charge across no-man's land and give the Boche a taste of cold steel, let them think it's all fun and games, and then you start ramping up the oppressively brown and grey mud and imminent death. To be fair 1914 will do that for you, before the whole trench thing kicks in. And pretty uniforms!
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May 7, 2016 16:51
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Was there any hope for Napoleon during the Hundred Days? It seems like even if he won at Waterloo France was too spent at that point and would've been ground down sooner or later. After all the austrians and russians didn't even arrive to the party.
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Nebakenezzer posted:World War 1 game should have random gas attacks, where you need to perform a complecated sequence of keystrokes in order to put on your gas mask. After a short time limit, if you fail, you die Having your gas mask with you slows down your movement by just enough for players to notice, but you can dump it out of your inventory if you feel like it.
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May 7, 2016 16:59
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Nenonen posted:Bagpipe Hero: with a plastic bag pipe controller you must inspire Highlanders into battle and strike fear into the hearts of your enemies. You can do this in Mount & Blade Napoleonic Wars. Take the King's Shilling and join the SAdraGOONS today! 
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Experience being a medic in WW1: http://www.bay12games.com/ww1medic/ Charge out of the trench to save a wounded man! Get shot in the back by friendly machine gun fire!
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my dad posted:Experience being a medic in WW1: Anyone who hasn't played this before will be doing themselves by a favor by playing it. (The best part is that if your side happens to successfully clear a trench, all that happens is that you move on to the next one!)
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cheerfullydrab posted:How about a Papers, Please type game where you're a put-upon low-ranking officer who only got a commission because he's a qualified horse vet. spectralent posted:A billion people tried to make this game and it's always terrible.
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vintagepurple posted:Was there any hope for Napoleon during the Hundred Days? It seems like even if he won at Waterloo France was too spent at that point and would've been ground down sooner or later. After all the austrians and russians didn't even arrive to the party. Unless somehow the Tsar of Imperial Russia or the Kaiser of Austria had a weird change of heart and decided Napoleon was BFF/family again, chances are very slim for poor doomed Bonaparte really. All of the allies of the Coalition were pretty determined to get him out of power again.
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xthetenth posted:The Thirty Years War makes me uncomfortable. Seriously, it's a giant book that is physically uncomfortable to hold. Then please never read anything about wars of antiquity or earlier, because most of that poo poo ends with "And then the winners build pyramids out of human heads" or "And then the soldiers cheerfully charged into a mass of women and children to slaughter them all." Sometimes survivors get sacrificed to the gods instead though, so it's not all bad. From the viewpoint of utter despair. 
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Libluini posted:Then please never read anything about wars of antiquity or earlier, because most of that poo poo ends with "And then the winners build pyramids out of human heads" or "And then the soldiers cheerfully charged into a mass of women and children to slaughter them all." It's a joke about Wilson's The Thirty Years War which is something like 800 big pages and just doesn't fit in my hands well. Though I joke of the valley of death it shall fear no evil, for it is at 80,000 feet and climbing.
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Ainsley McTree posted:This game is why God made greys and Browns Kills like yours kiddie farmers prize their spawns for, Palates like yours, and medal of honours, God made yawns for Edit: I feel like "omg Italian rush" is too excitable, should be more like "OMG Italian rush, stop you fools, do you want us to kill you all?" lenoon fucked around with this message at 20:13 on May 7, 2016 |
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Can someone explain Dragoons to me? Why don't they just fight from the horse? Is it because they had cheaper non-fighting horses that were only good for going from point-a to point-b?
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Here was my idea for a WWI text-only game a few years back: >You are in the trench, facing the objective: the opposite trench 120 yards away occupied by the Bloody Huns. Your ears ring from the thunderous din of artillery shells, and you see wave after wave of your fellow countrymen being cut down. Your Sergeant is screaming that it is time for your unit to scramble up the ladders, and join the fray. Do you: 1) climb the ladder 2) run back down the trench to safety #2 You have been shot by the Sergeant for cowardice. As you struggle to hold your entrails in, your fingers slippery with blood, vision narrowing down to a tunnel, then a pinpoint, you hear the Sergeant berate you for being a oval office not worthy of carrying the flag. As the innumerable boots of the next unit up on the line crunch your face and ribcage into formless jelly, your vision fades to black. Reconnect, (Y/N?) Y >You are in the trench, facing the objective: the opposite trench 120 yards away occupied by the Bloody Huns. Your ears ring from the thunderous din of artillery shells, and you see wave after wave of your fellow countrymen being cut down. Your Sergeant is screaming that it is time for your unit to scramble up the ladders, and join the fray. Do you: 1) climb the ladder 2) run back down the trench to safety #1 You make it to the top of the ladder, and then before you can take one step forward, you are cut down by a hail of gunfire.
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Perhaps if you play enough times you make it to the end of the war, so you can go home and get berated by your family for arriving too late to do anything. Then you have the option to hang or shoot yourself,
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Animal posted:Can someone explain Dragoons to me? Why don't they just fight from the horse? Is it because they had cheaper non-fighting horses that were only good for going from point-a to point-b? Same reason modern infantry rolls up in APCs/HMMVs/helicopters/etc. and dismounts to fight -- the horses are to get the infantry where they're needed quicker, fighting from the horse serves an entirely different purpose. Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 21:04 on May 7, 2016 |
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MrMojok posted:
You know it wasn't really very likely that men would be shot out of hand for desertion or cowardice in WWI, right? 20,000 British soldiers were found guilty of capital crimes (which included desertion) in WWI. Of those, only a few thousand actually were sentenced to death, but only 306 deserters were executed in the entire war. It's not like dudes were getting shot left and right for not fighting. I think it's weird how WWI has such a reputation as "the bad war" in popular memory. Large-scale warfare isn't a great experience in any time period.
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xthetenth posted:It's a joke about Wilson's The Thirty Years War which is something like 800 big pages and just doesn't fit in my hands well. It's p light in my hands on my tablet 
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Grenrow posted:You know it wasn't really very likely that men would be shot out of hand for desertion or cowardice in WWI, right? 20,000 British soldiers were found guilty of capital crimes (which included desertion) in WWI. Of those, only a few thousand actually were sentenced to death, but only 306 deserters were executed in the entire war. It's not like dudes were getting shot left and right for not fighting. I think it's weird how WWI has such a reputation as "the bad war" in popular memory. Large-scale warfare isn't a great experience in any time period. Plus if a dude hosed up that badly, he'd at least get a slightly biased court martial first before being executed. Dudes being shot on the spot with a pistol is more of a Russian Civil War thing. You should get into the Warhammer 40k interactive text game market though!
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Were there any summary executions by the British army during the war? I haven't heard of any, always assumed it was a trench rumour. Of their own men, I mean. Edit: I mean it's fairly simple to change that text so it works regardless. You're simply shot later on, or you survive and go back to the trenches (possibly via a court martial), and then you do it over and over again until you do die, or you survive all the way through and then it turns into "moments" except no one can look at you while your facial wounds are being reconstructed through diverting blood to your face with a tube made out of your own flesh. lenoon fucked around with this message at 21:34 on May 7, 2016 |
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Grenrow posted:I think it's weird how WWI has such a reputation as "the bad war" in popular memory. Large-scale warfare isn't a great experience in any time period. Couple of reasons for this, I think: Narrative of it being a pointless slaughter established very very quickly (don't listen to revisionists saying it only happened in the 1980s!) Citizen war - first conscript war in British history, so a much more universal experience. War is hell but it can be construed as less so when it's just soldiers fighting, a breed apart, not everyone. The nature of the fighting was not completely unknown but brutal enough, grinding enough and innovative enough to be horrifying then and now. The deadlock, the slaughter, the horrendous loss of life concentrated in such a small area for gains that could be accurately described as "minuscule". The conditions of the trenches, the disregard for the private soldier showed by the ruling classes, the solidarity between soldiers, the gas, the tragedy, the tanks, the corpses on the wire, all of that. Wars before had been terrible, and since, but there's few battlefields in the history of the earth that rival the slaughter of the first day of the Somme, or the sustained brutality of Verdun. Bad fuckin war. The art and poetry that came out of it. Modern life and culture created horrific public memory, from formal expressions of slaughter using established poetic forms (sorley a good example of this) to the destruction of the rules and laws of art and artistic expression (dada). It is, with rare exceptions, horror unbridled. The changes in society - the so called peaceful summer of 1914 being shattered forever, Europe's self declared enlightened century being turned into a charnel house. The old order dying and leaving nothing except mountains of corpses. And most importantly of all... It all had to be done again, bigger and more destructive, twenty years later. The war itself was horrifying, but "the war to end all wars" just heaps on the pathos and the tragedy.
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Grenrow posted:You know it wasn't really very likely that men would be shot out of hand for desertion or cowardice in WWI, right? 20,000 British soldiers were found guilty of capital crimes (which included desertion) in WWI. Of those, only a few thousand actually were sentenced to death, but only 306 deserters were executed in the entire war. It's not like dudes were getting shot left and right for not fighting. I think it's weird how WWI has such a reputation as "the bad war" in popular memory. Large-scale warfare isn't a great experience in any time period. What made WWI stick out in the popular subconscious so much as a horrifying war at the most basic level was that despite how many soldiers died, nothing really seemed to be achieved as in the span of twenty years Europe was once more gearing up for another major war. This of course ignores that in the western front any real progress was only made at the start and the end of the war, with the rest of the conflict just being the Allies and the Central powers just trading turns to throw wave after wave of men at each others trenches. On a different note I saw a youtube video that draw a comparison between Alexander the Great and Hitler as both being horrifying dictators. Am I wrong in thinking that the best leader to compare Alexander to would be Napoleon due to both men creating an empire based on personal greed more then anything else and eventually stretching themselves too thin for their empire to be able to grow anymore.
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lenoon posted:The art and poetry that came out of it. Modern life and culture created horrific public memory, from formal expressions of slaughter using established poetic forms (sorley a good example of this) to the destruction of the rules and laws of art and artistic expression (dada). It is, with rare exceptions, horror unbridled. The trench war art of Otto Dix is incredibly chilling and worth looking at since we're on this subject. Compete opposite of those mostly staged or sketched from memory battlescape paintings of the previous century depicting warfare.
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It wasn't the first conscript war in British history. Naplonic era had the navy taking people very much against their will.
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Press-ganging a couple of thousand people and the militia bill is very different than the 1916 Military Service Act. Not just "you will be soldiers" but "as of March 3rd, you are all already soldiers". We're not talking about a minority getting forced into the army or tricked into signing up or pressed into the navy but 2 million men stripped of their civilian lives and legally transferred to army control. It was the first conscription act, and the first conscript army Britain had ever seen. Edit: worth saying that a conscript isn't someone forced into the army by hook or by crook, it's someone who is legally forced into the army either by law or by a "lawfully recognised" individual. In Britain that means it has only existed between 1916-1919 and 1938-60. Or 39 I forget when the national service act came in. lenoon fucked around with this message at 22:29 on May 7, 2016 |
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Grenrow posted:I think it's weird how WWI has such a reputation as "the bad war" in popular memory. Large-scale warfare isn't a great experience in any time period. Non-historian, but I think there's a few things at play here: 1) The at least perceived callousness of the generals who would throw away 20000 men to gain 100 yards of trenches. 2) The pointlessness of it all. Imagine a British soldier in the trenches of France who is told that that an Armistice is signed. Our Tommy goes home and hears about the Treaty of Versailles, in which Alsace-Lorraine is returned to the French and Germany loses its colonies and etc. I have to imagine there's a decent chance that his reaction is "I risked my life dozens of times, saw dozens of my mates die, and lived in a ditch for 2 years for THAT?" Even the silver lining that the war was so horrible was so horrible that no one would ever go to war again was proven wrong a mere 20 years later. 3) Recency. I'm not sure I'd say the war is in living memory anymore, if someone was 12 in 1918 they'd be 110 now, but there are millions of people still alive today whose parents were WW1 veterans and could see how that affected them first hand. In addition, by being so recent we have a massive of written accounts and even photographs. There has, of course, been a more recent war on an even larger scale in WW2, but if we loop back to 2 our Tommy or Ivan can go home knowing that they helped defeat the Nazis instead of simply another empire, not especially better than better or worse than any other.
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I'd probably thank Blackadder Goes Forth and other such media portrayals, really.
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I've heard that WWI is remembered in Eastern Europe, not well, but not as badly as it is in Western. Opinions from anybody from that area?
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I think a better question might be how WW2 got a bit of a "good war" reputation. The wars before and after don't seem to have that good of a reputation (aside from the ones that pop culture tends to forget happened), but WW2's the one that everybody loves and makes movies and video games for. The people who were around for it have even been dubbed "the greatest generation" for being present for the last time major powers fought directly. An incredible amount of people died, but since one of the losers was engaged in crimes against humanity on the side, that lets people form a narrative of justice in hindsight, even though that didn't factor into much of the contemporary reasoning.
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The war had a bag rep for all that stuff way before Ben Elton. You've got all my guys pointing it out in 1914, the war poets (Sassoon's counter attack comes out during the war), the art movement, major political parties calling out the callousness and waste of life and the punitive nature of Versailles, etc etc. It's arguable that the perception of the war as anything other than a pointless load of crap is the revisionist view - one articulated only in government sponsored histories (edit: or other similarly patriotic accounts) in the post war period. Blackadder goes forth drew on contemporary and immediate post-war sources - a series truer to the spirit of the Wipers Times it would be hard to imagine. Edit: there's definitely a post-hoc construction of "the good war" narrative, but the struggle to fight fascism had been an ongoing "good fight" for many years. All you've got to do is look at the reaction of many First World War COs (in 1939 in the Houses of Parliament) to the immanent war against Germany - they supported the fight to smash fascism. It had already accrued all the trappings of "the good war" by the time it began. The revelations of just how bad the Nazis really were built on that, adding to a heavy dose of (struggling to think of the right word here) narrative justice? The peace loving peoples forced to fight by a viscous egomaniac, brought to the brink of destruction and then overcoming all obstacles to come good in the end? It's a ready made hero narrative! lenoon fucked around with this message at 23:37 on May 7, 2016 |
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