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Rhesus Pieces posted:This has to be a joke. I am trying to imagine the Monday morning meeting where the Sleep Country executive that engaged that group shared their findings with rest of the executive leadership. Everyone nodding sagely while simultaneously wondering if they are the only one wearing any clothes.
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Subjunctive posted:Creating AI isn't some arcane summoning spell that requires all the winds in the Pacific to blow in the same direction while people in every time zone shout words without vowels. It's programming and math, experimentation and testing. We've known that researchers encode their own biases since the mid-80s, see Diana Forsythe. So yeah, until we as an industry can fix all the poo poo that's wrong, we're going to miss the plot.
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May 6, 2016 07:46
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cheese posted:Legitimately not sure if this was an onion style parody or a real serious report the entire time I was reading it. They go to crazy town, but they do it in a way that confirms everyone's suspicions about the grandiose and self-indulgent way advertisers and their clients think about their products. So people read it and pass it around, to laugh at the grandiosity and self-indulgence. But people are reading and sharing it, so by pretty much any measure, that makes it a marketing success. So is it an intentional viral campaign? Probably. But the possibility exists that they really are that grandiose and self-indulgent, and all of our suspicions about them are correct. It is Poe's law made real, paid for by corporate America, and available in pdf format.
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May 6, 2016 10:31
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It did make sense of what would've otherwise seemed an arbitrary logo change, so I'd call it a success.
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May 6, 2016 10:48
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asdf32 posted:Our own emotions, goals and desires are the result of millions of years of evolution. Either the human creators deliberately include them or come up with some process to develop them or they won't be there in the AI. At the least motions are there own development that won't be emergent automatically from intelligence. we can't say that for sure without actually understanding why we have emotions in the first place
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May 6, 2016 13:47
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Condiv posted:we can't say that for sure without actually understanding why we have emotions in the first place That's what emotions are. Evolved behavioral modifiers just like more straightforward pain and pleasure.
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May 6, 2016 14:54
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Condiv posted:we can't say that for sure without actually understanding why we have emotions in the first place
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May 6, 2016 18:14
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twodot posted:programs don't just spring into reality absent human intervention. Although I have worked with PMs who appear to believe this to be so.
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May 6, 2016 19:35
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twodot posted:I can't tell whether your or asdf32's post is stupider. "Either humans include it or create a process to include it" is trivially true of all properties of all programs, since programs don't just spring into reality absent human intervention. hmm, i don't seem to recall saying anything about programs bursting forth out of the ether. maybe you should learn to read before you make really obvious statements? emotions may end up being a necessary property for higher intellegence than what we are capable of creating for computers right now, but we probably won't know for sure until we better understand our own intelligence better
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May 6, 2016 22:12
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Although I have worked with PMs who appear to believe this to be so. I think that's just a thing management in general tends to do. Literally every job I've had has had at least one boss type person whose response to "this job will require more people than we have" is "that isn't my problem. Get it done with what you have." Hate to break it to you duder but a ten person job needs ten people. Five can probably do it but it will take longer.
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May 6, 2016 22:20
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twodot posted:I can't tell whether your or asdf32's post is stupider. "Either humans include it or create a process to include it" is trivially true of all properties of all programs, since programs don't just spring into reality absent human intervention. Actually a lot of what we cal AI is based on learning algorithms of various forms where humans arn't directly in control of a lot of the details. And it's a common trope to imagine AI that breaks out of its intended boundaries typically following human like ambitions for knowledge or power. My point is that those desires don't just spring out. Even in the context of significant "intelligence".
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May 6, 2016 22:21
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asdf32 posted:Actually a lot of what we cal AI is based on learning algorithms of various forms where humans arn't directly in control of a lot of the details. And it's a common trope to imagine AI that breaks out of its intended boundaries typically following human like ambitions for knowledge or power. My point is that those desires don't just spring out. Even in the context of significant "intelligence". i think he'd try to argue with you that learning algorithms like neural networks still have to be designed, falling under "process to include it" even though the inclusion of that behavior may be wholly accidental
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May 6, 2016 22:27
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Neural networks are also severely limited in what they can learn about. You have to program it specifically to handle a specific sort of thing. A neural network that learns how to win at chess can't suddenly learn to play Counter Strike let alone figure out how to destroy civilization. It's still a stupid machine following a set of instructions. Neural networks are improving of course but the computing power for actual, meaningful machine sentience just isn't there yet. The difference between a meat brain and a computer brain is huge.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Neural networks are also severely limited in what they can learn about. You have to program it specifically to handle a specific sort of thing. A neural network that learns how to win at chess can't suddenly learn to play Counter Strike let alone figure out how to destroy civilization. It's still a stupid machine following a set of instructions. right, like i mentioned you still have to design them for their purpose (though messing up the design can result in unexpected behavior from the network)
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May 6, 2016 22:44
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ToxicSlurpee posted:A neural network that learns how to win at chess can't suddenly learn to play Counter Strike let alone figure out how to destroy civilization. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLRLYPiaAoA
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May 6, 2016 22:53
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Condiv posted:hmm, i don't seem to recall saying anything about programs bursting forth out of the ether. maybe you should learn to read before you make really obvious statements?
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twodot posted:I figured it out, you are stupider. It's completely irrelevant whether machine intelligence needs emotions (whatever it means for a machine to have emotions in the first place), it's trivially true that whatever emotions it has will be put there by humans or a process started by humans. so you're just really aggressively dumb then? cause i've never disagreed that humans will build out whatever AI we're talking about. seriously, try learning to read
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May 7, 2016 02:03
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Subjunctive posted:Creating AI isn't some arcane summoning spell that requires all the winds in the Pacific to blow in the same direction while people in every time zone shout words without vowels. It's programming and math, experimentation and testing. That's why Cyc went live in 1985.
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May 7, 2016 02:11
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These slapfights guarantee that you will be the first against the simulated wall after the Singularity hits, so you should probably drop it.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:These slapfights guarantee that you will be the first against the simulated wall after the Singularity hits, so you should probably drop it. Absurd Alhazred has become self aware! Modnet is happening people!
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Inferior Third Season posted:It reminds me a lot of the "leaked" Pepsi marketing document from a few years ago. Once you add in the near mythical status afforded the founding figureheads at these companies, you are pretty much just a big bowl of Kool-Aid away from a cult. The only real difference is that instead of trying to gain sexual access to young women or sending everyone to join the God Xanadu on his passing comet, these cults are about making MONEY.
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May 7, 2016 17:44
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cheese posted:From what I have seen and heard (and having been inside the offices of a couple of "tech" companies like Airbnb), I'm pretty sure its all exactly serious and scary. Nothing matters but getting big fast. Your size is a reflection of your value (surely!). The company is everything, we will change the world, we are not like other tech companies because your work means something here. Drink the free beer, play Xbox on the big screen, always be at work and always be solving new problems. Everyone wants to work here, you are lucky to be a part of something so world changing, disrupt disrupt disrupt. Elon Musk already 100% has a cult following around him. It seems like every time he takes a crap my facebook is flooded with posts about how he's disrupting the toilet paradigm.
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A Man With A Plan posted:Elon Musk already 100% has a cult following around him. I'm like why the gently caress are we thanking the millionaire dude that didn't design the loving car and poo poo? The free cookies and water and poo poo were a nice consolation for standing in line though.
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FilthyImp posted:I'm one of those wankers that stood in line to preorder the Model 3 (my wife wants one). Right before the doors opened some goober went down the line and said "OK on the count of THREE we're going to chant THANK YOU ELON! THREE times, ok?" Holy poo poo I would have turned around and left at that point.
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FilthyImp posted:I'm one of those wankers that stood in line to preorder the Model 3 (my wife wants one). Right before the doors opened some goober went down the line and said "OK on the count of THREE we're going to chant THANK YOU ELON! THREE times, ok?" Did you thank Him for the cookies at least?
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May 7, 2016 20:57
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Technically as you eat the cookie it becomes a piece of His Glorious Electric Flesh.
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Sorry but I'm a protestant Elonist
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ocrumsprug posted:Did you thank Him for the cookies at least? Praise be to Elon. This feast of cookie and coffee is but a share of his clean burning glory. I guess I should have mentioned the dude was recording on his phone to upload to YouTube or something.
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So Uber and Lyft have threatened to leave the city of Austin unless we adopted a resolution basically saying they get to pick and choose their own regulations. They also spent over $8 million on robocalls and flyers and other ads promoting the resolution. (This is orders of magnitude more than has ever been spent on an Austin city election.) Today was Election Day and the resolution has failed (and failed big). Before the election both companies promised to cease operations, an Uber specifically said they were stopping on Monday. Now that we've called their bluff we'll see if they follow through. Either way, it'll be interesting to see which company cedes the city of SXSW to its competition.
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e_angst posted:So Uber and Lyft have threatened to leave the city of Austin unless we adopted a resolution basically saying they get to pick and choose their own regulations. They also spent over $8 million on robocalls and flyers and other ads promoting the resolution. (This is orders of magnitude more than has ever been spent on an Austin city election.) Lyft put out a statement saying they will "pause" operations on Monday The regulation causing such a temper tantrum? Fingerprint background checks. One more step in the driver sign up funnel 
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Get Me out of Dallas wants to swoop in. I didn't realize Uber pulled out of Corpus Christi and Galveston. If they keep having tantrums and pulling out of cities how do the expect to grow? http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2016/05/three-months-after-uber-leaves-galveston-city.html Unless, they start bypassing cities and start hitting up state legislatures.
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Automatic Slim posted:Get Me out of Dallas wants to swoop in. I didn't realize Uber pulled out of Corpus Christi and Galveston. If they keep having tantrums and pulling out of cities how do the expect to grow? They come back after 6 months. They've done it every time a city pushes back.
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duz posted:They come back after 6 months. They've done it every time a city pushes back. *crickets* *quietly slinks back into town after a while* The campaign to drown Uber in regulations basically writes itself.
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Uber and Lyft will hit up the legislature next. Plenty of non-Austin politicians talking about how "liberal big government" killed innovation. 56%-44%. U/L should've used their $8.7 million better and gone the TX Lege first.
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Is there any sense of how the nation views the gig economy and companies like uber? I imagine approval ratings would be pretty high and I'm surprised this was defeated with such a margin.
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nachos posted:Is there any sense of how the nation views the gig economy and companies like uber? I imagine approval ratings would be pretty high and I'm surprised this was defeated with such a margin. At least anecdotally that high approval is among folks uninvolved in political stuff. Like I don't know many folks who do more than vote in presidential elections who are big gig economy boosters.
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They ran a terrible campaign in very highly educated and liberal city. They outspent their opponents 85 to 1. And LOST. Mailboxes were filled with flyers and mailers and they start texting their app users and that pissed off people more than their the substance of their campaign. Texans are very apathetic politically. May elections in Austin barely break 5% voter turnout and it went up to 17%. It's their choice they are deciding to leave and it was their choice to have the issue sent to public referendum in the first place. Coolness Averted posted:At least anecdotally that high approval is among folks uninvolved in political stuff. Like I don't know many folks who do more than vote in presidential elections who are big gig economy boosters. And the people who are more tuned in were the ones who voted against the rideshare regulations. Automatic Slim fucked around with this message at 21:09 on May 8, 2016 |
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Automatic Slim posted:Uber and Lyft will hit up the legislature next. Plenty of non-Austin politicians talking about how "liberal big government" killed innovation. 56%-44%. No, in Texas you have to go for Austin first. Then when Austin (or some other nest of liberals) passes the exact opposite of what you want, the state leg will reflexively try to pass a law banning cities from doing exactly that, making everything come up in your favor in the end without you having to spend any money at all (see: fracking, plastic bags (unsuccessful), anti-discrimination in housing)
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ComradeCosmobot posted:No, in Texas you have to go for Austin first. Then when Austin (or some other nest of liberals) passes the exact opposite of what you want, the state leg will reflexively try to pass a law banning cities from doing exactly that, making everything come up in your favor in the end without you having to spend any money at all (see: fracking, plastic bags (unsuccessful), anti-discrimination in housing) They've already decided they are going to the legislator next. Of course, the legislator doesn't meet again until January 2017, and the earliest any law they pass will only go into effect is January 1, 2018. Or, given Uber's current burn rate, around $1.25 billion in the future.
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