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amuayse posted:I'm Just Asking Questions here you guys, why do you have to keep dogpiling on me geez
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May 8, 2016 08:47
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But if we just fixed the whole world there wouldn't be any problems. Thanks hillary
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May 8, 2016 08:53
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So the foreign policy version of full communism now?
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May 8, 2016 09:10
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I actually want to know good things that Clinton has done  I've yet to really see it that's why.
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May 8, 2016 11:21
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amuayse posted:I actually want to know good things that Clinton has done Once you read that and are convinced there's a little Donate button in the upper right corner.
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May 8, 2016 11:34
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amuayse posted:I actually want to know good things that Clinton has done if only there was some repository of human knowledge through which you could easily read and watch videos containing the information you claim to want
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May 8, 2016 11:52
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Kilroy posted:https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/seven-hillary-clintons-biggest-accomplishments/ Actually that list was pretty biased and not very informative. Here's a better and more comprehensive one. http://addictinginfo.org/2015/04/13/heres-a-list-of-hillary-clintons-accomplishments-so-quit-saying-she-doesnt-have-any/ I'm in the acceptance stage of a Hillary Presidency, I'm just trying desperately to believe that the nation won't get worse. Sloppy Milkshake posted:if only there was some repository of human knowledge through which you could easily read and watch videos containing the information you claim to want
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amuayse posted:Actually that list was pretty biased and not very informative. Here's a better and more comprehensive one. that list was bad here's a better one *posts list which includes almost all the same poo poo* amuayse posted:The only ones I can really find of her are conspiracy theories and of promises of good things that never really materialized. you honestly can't figure out how to find out information about the things a really famous politician has done???
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Sloppy Milkshake posted:you honestly can't figure out how to find out information about the things a really famous politician has done???
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May 8, 2016 12:07
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amuayse posted:I'm legitimately concerned by how ineffectual it all really is. Welcome to history, nothing ever actually ends.
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amuayse posted:I'm in the acceptance stage of a Hillary Presidency, I'm just trying desperately to believe that the nation won't get worse. Seriously - until people like Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones and Sean "loving" Hannity don't exist anymore, it's not about improving the nation it's about limiting the carnage. You might be able to do a few nice things by accident in the meantime, but mainly we just want to avoid losing a century of progress on civil rights.
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May 8, 2016 12:14
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amuayse posted:Burma, Iran, China; they all still have significant problems regardless. I'm legitimately concerned by how ineffectual it all really is.
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May 8, 2016 12:16
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amuayse posted:Much of the sources I find on her online are usually of "Hillary is in support of x" or "Hillary spoke out for y" or "Hillary helped Bill do z". hi what has your preferred candidate accomplished? amuayse posted:I'm trying to look for more substantial achievements. Burma, Iran, China; they all still have significant problems regardless. I'm legitimately concerned by how ineffectual it all really is. oh so this is changing into an all or nothing type thing now?
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Kilroy posted:Seriously - until people like Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones and Sean "loving" Hannity don't exist anymore, it's not about improving the nation it's about limiting the carnage. You might be able to do a few nice things by accident in the meantime, but mainly we just want to avoid losing a century of progress on civil rights. "Perform triage until the problem magically goes away" isn't a compelling platform, really.
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May 8, 2016 13:01
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The 'D' is for 'Defeatist', the 'R' is for 'Regressive' - modern civilization is winding down.
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Bringing about human extinction is the surest path to the prevention of future suffering. Decision 2016, Run Toward The Flash.
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McDowell posted:The 'D' is for 'Defeatist', the 'R' is for 'Regressive' - modern civilization is winding down. Be the change you want to see in the world, burn New Jersey
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Chantilly Say posted:Be the change you want to see in the world, burn New Jersey Nah it is the Democratic party that has told NJ to suck an egg with our role in the primary process. Unless America is advancing Modernity it will fail, holding actions will turn into retreat.
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May 8, 2016 13:15
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DemeaninDemon posted:So the foreign policy version of full communism now? It's only the same impossible standard that some people have demanded of her in other areas, so why not?
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May 8, 2016 13:26
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Bushiz posted:Bringing about human extinction is the surest path to the prevention of future suffering. Decision 2016, Run Toward The Flash. This except sincerely.
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Bushiz posted:"Perform triage until the problem magically goes away" isn't a compelling platform, really. But yeah, in the meantime it's triage. Nothing wrong with that, really. Obviously you can't sell that, but that's what it is.
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Kilroy posted:
Whats the endgame, though? We've had 16-36 years of growing inequality, steady annihilation of individual freedoms, and an erosion of voting rights to make those losses more or less permanent. Triage isn't working, all its doing is make us die slower. As the Strom Thurmonds and the Rush Limbaughs die off, they're replaced with Ted Cruz and Milo Yiannopoulos. Is the endgame seriously to wait until demographics become so overwhelming that it becomes impossible to gerrymander and suppress votes anymore?
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"Riding it out" for another 10-20 years seems like an incredibly bad idea, but you never know. Maybe playing the long, long game will make imminent problems get bored and go away.
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If you don't want to play the long game, then organize and get invovled in your local democratic parties.
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It is not triage in the meantime. poo poo's more complicated than that. Gay marriage was legalized a year ago, and the right wing moved onto trans panics, which they only do because trans people are making gains. Inequality is rising, and so is the progressive movement, hence why minimum wage demands are being advocated for now by both presidential candidates. A socialist won a substantial minority of the democratic vote, even if they didn't become the presidential candidate. Black Lives Matter exists now where it didn't exist ten years ago, and you better believe the same poo poo was happening then as well. It's not about just maintaining or "riding it out", because that's impossible. You just work for the best you can in any given dimension. You vote for one candidate because they're better than the other, or at least not as bad as the other. You spend your time volunteering for causes you believe in, with what time you can spare, on issues that are gaining momentum. We're not gonna get everything we want, because that's never how it works. We just work for what we can work for. And that goes beyond just voting for a candidate.
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Xanderkish posted:We're not gonna get everything we want, because that's never how it works. We just work for what we can work for. What if what we can get at this moment simply isn't enough?
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Bushiz posted:Whats the endgame, though? We've had 16-36 years of growing inequality, steady annihilation of individual freedoms, and an erosion of voting rights to make those losses more or less permanent. Triage isn't working, all its doing is make us die slower. As the Strom Thurmonds and the Rush Limbaughs die off, they're replaced with Ted Cruz and Milo Yiannopoulos. What do you suggest then? The gop base ain't going anywhere and fucks like rabbits.
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May 8, 2016 16:06
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Lotka Volterra posted:What if what we can get at this moment simply isn't enough? What's your alternative?
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Crowsbeak posted:If you don't want to play the long game, then organize and get invovled in your local democratic parties. 
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Xanderkish posted:What's your alternative? No idea (insert full communism now here). But the status quo of gradual change isn't going to get us very far if the problems we need to solve are an immediate threat.
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California needs to send out emergency governors Michigan-style to flyover country. Neoreconstruction.
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Shbobdb posted:California needs to send out emergency governors Michigan-style to flyover country. Neoreconstruction. start with michigan
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Lotka Volterra posted:No idea (insert full communism now here). But the status quo of gradual change isn't going to get us very far if the problems we need to solve are an immediate threat. I'm not advocating for the status quo here, and I'm not advocating for incremental change, either. There's an agenda I want to see realized, and if I could make it all happen tomorrow I would, and the Kim Davises of the world could get hosed if they had a problem with it. In the meantime, in the real world, we have to prioritize goals to achieve with limited resources (and ever-tenuous public support at best). Triage, in a word.
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Lotka Volterra posted:No idea (insert full communism now here). But the status quo of gradual change isn't going to get us very far if the problems we need to solve are an immediate threat. Well, until we have a viable alternative, this is what we have. And that does mean poo poo's going to suck for a lot of people. But again, if we don't have an alternative, that's all we can do. And that's how it's been since ever. That doesn't mean we should stop LOOKING for alternatives. Just that sometimes those alternatives aren't available or viable. The trick is we don't always know when that's the case and when people are just being defeatist or pessimistic about what they can do. But it is true that sometimes--not always--you can only make the best of bad situations.
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Lotka Volterra posted:No idea (insert full communism now here). But the status quo of gradual change isn't going to get us very far if the problems we need to solve are an immediate threat. If what you can get right now isn't enough, you're left with a violent upheaval of one sort or another. You're looking at a government designed to move slowly, whose members are, by and large, even more resistant to change than their constituents (trying to distinguish between the platonic ideal of "conservative" and the GOP version of it). And you want to know why, over the course of a five-month primary season, the entire thing can't turn on a dime and focus on your pet problems? Seriously, get involved with politics. You'll do a lot more good for a lot more people than you will asking us what your options are.
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Kobayashi posted:Oh boy, another debate about incrementalism! And a dash of pragmatism to boot. You see the wheels of change move slowly, dear suffering person. To move the wheels faster we will need more of your blood, sweat, and tears.
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In fifteen years people will look back on this with the same level of confusion as we now do for the 2000 election. Speaking of, some of the things I've seen Bernie bros saying on the Internet make the left-wing accusations of electoral fraud in 2000 look positively tame. I can't wait to see the same sort of conspiracy-mongering coming from disappointed Trump supporters come the election. Sad!
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Kobayashi posted:Oh boy, another debate about incrementalism! People have the notion that a politician can fix every flaw in our society no matter how deeply-rooted it is, and are upset when that does not happen. So yeah, the subject tends to come up.
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