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The story editing really wasn't a problem for me. It would be typical at this point to make some kind of stupid food metaphor like, "sure the Marvel-movies are low calorie but sometimes you just want a big juicy burger," but rather than deal in metaphors about making GBS threads I'll just say sometimes it's good to suffer a little to consume your art.
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May 8, 2016 21:44
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It is a sick rear end car, you must agree.  I'd rather drive a 2017 Audi than take Turkish Airlines so I guess BvS is objectively the inferior film. Lookit that combat roll. They roll like ISIS in that one hilarious Vice video. Coincidence?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM3ElTvF52I
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TheFallenEvincar posted:Are you sure those were people and not the fine 2017 Audi R8 V10 Plus?
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May 8, 2016 21:45
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And that's not even a euphemism I was eye-watering, toe-tapping needing to piss by the end of this movie monster.
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May 8, 2016 21:47
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Harime Nui posted:And that's not even a euphemism I was eye-watering, toe-tapping needing to piss by the end of this movie monster.
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Somebody in my party ordered Blue Moon so if I'd borrowed their glass I probably coulda got away with it 
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Harime Nui posted:I have no idea how much of the good parts of any of his movies are him and how much is The Nolans/other people maybe he's just a slick suit who slaps his name onto stuff other people polished but frankly after a certain number of "well this line was really bad but the acting saved it" moments I'm not going to even call it bad. He has a talent for boiling characters down to a few statements and making big "ONE SHALL STAND, ONE SHALL FALL" type moments. I wouldn't compare anything from this movie to a line that has endured in its franchise for next to thirty years. The only thing from BvS that's proving to be as memetic is "Martha".
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Harime Nui posted:The story editing really wasn't a problem for me. It would be typical at this point to make some kind of stupid food metaphor like, "sure the Marvel-movies are low calorie but sometimes you just want a big juicy burger," but rather than deal in metaphors about making GBS threads I'll just say sometimes it's good to suffer a little to consume your art. I don't agree. I don't really have an argument against it, I just fundamentally do not believe this. It just goes against what I believe in when it comes to my personal art. I just don't like making bad things, if I can help it.
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TFRazorsaw posted:The only thing from BvS that's proving to be as memetic is "Martha".
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The X-Men film is coming out in nine days. I won't hold my breath, because only some of the X-Men films have been well-written and none of them have good action.
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TFRazorsaw posted:I wouldn't compare anything from this movie to a line that has endured in its franchise for next to thirty years. The only thing from BvS that's proving to be as memetic is "Martha". "You're not brave. Men are brave. Time to learn what it means to be a man." "Maybe Superman was just the dream of a dead farmer." "Maybe it's the Gotham boy in me, but I have a problem with freaks dressed like clowns." And so-on. It's not a question of what lines will be meme-tastic on the internet but straight-to-the-point dialogue that sets up the conflict and tells you who a character is and their mood. It raises the goalposts, so to speak, about the conflict being played out. Goyer's very good at giving that thing a raw emotional immediacy. Quite a few lines from Man of Steel have stuck with me and I've seen that movie twice since it came out three years ago. Then you have the plethora of immortalized lines from the Dark Knight trilogy. And of course, "some motherfucker's always trying to ice-skate uphill." I have no idea how much of that is Goyer but his movies definitely tend towards that kind of polarizing no-bullshitting dialogue.
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Kurzon posted:The X-Men film is coming out in nine days. I won't hold my breath, because only some of the X-Men films have been well-written and none of them have good action. I'm extremely jazzed for X-Men Apocalypse.
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I don't think anyone's gonna forget "DO YOU BLEED" either. I had a lot of fun with the dialogue and writing in BvS, it felt like a play for some reason. Gotta translate BvS to the stage.
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CelticPredator posted:I don't agree. I don't really have an argument against it, I just fundamentally do not believe this. It just goes against what I believe in when it comes to my personal art. I just don't like making bad things, if I can help it. SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER,
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When Days of Future Past came out I was on holiday in London, had some downtime and thought, what the hell, let's see the movie. Now I'll be in London the week Age of Apocalypse opens. I guess I better pack the 3D glasses. How many times until I can't claim coincidence anymore and have to think of it as a cause/effect relation?
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May 8, 2016 22:07
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Harime Nui posted:SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER, Watching lovely movies only makes me want to not watch any more lovely movies. Although, I'm gettin real tired of movies lately anyway, but that's aside the point!
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Harime Nui posted:"You're not brave. Men are brave. Time to learn what it means to be a man." The immortal lines from the Nolanverse that stuck with me are things like "Why do we fall?", "Why so serious", "Let's put a smile on that face!", "Some men want to watch the world burn", and Gordon's final speech at the end. Nothing I've seen from BvS has proven as immediately and positively enduring (in a prophetic sense) as those were when they were heard for the first time. I think for a line to achieve what you're saying, to have the effect they did, they need to pull that off. Whereas BvS's memorable lines are getting the "Bane?" treatment. Nodosaur fucked around with this message at 22:12 on May 8, 2016 |
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Kurzon posted:The X-Men film is coming out in nine days. I won't hold my breath, because only some of the X-Men films have been well-written and none of them have good action. Days of Future Past had some really awesome fights
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CelticPredator posted:Although, I'm gettin real tired of movies lately anyway, but that's aside the point! in all seriousness you've got to do you, friend.
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I like how we've gone from "BvS sucked because Batman kills people <no further push on why thats important>" to "BvS sucked because it didn't inspire enough internet memes".
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If anything, I'm chastising it for creating one too many of them. It's more a response to the idea that the movie has simple, memorable, character encapsulating statements. I just don't feel it does, and it's demonstrated very little ability to do so in what I've experienced.
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May 8, 2016 22:13
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Harime Nui posted:SUFFERING BUILDS CHARACTER, I think my grudge against Goyer is still the line "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." It's such a dumb, clumsy thing to say yet it caught on anyway.
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Gorn Myson posted:I like how we've gone from "BvS sucked because Batman kills people <no further push on why thats important>" to "BvS sucked because it didn't inspire enough internet memes". BvS sucking is indisputable.
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Goyer's good for at least 5 absolute clunkers per script, but I've begrudgingly come around to admitting the guy whose name is on the scripts featuring "some men just want to watch the world burn," "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain," and "KRYPTON HAD ITS CHANCE" might have a knack for turning a memorable phrase every now and again
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:BvS sucking is indisputable. Just disputed you. Peace out. Oh, and one love.
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Crion posted:Goyer's good for at least 5 absolute clunkers per script, but I've begrudgingly come around to admitting the guy whose name is on the scripts featuring "some men just want to watch the world burn," "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain," and "KRYPTON HAD ITS CHANCE" might have a knack for turning a memorable phrase every now and again Makes me wonder what the movie'd be like if Terrio hadn't come in, to be honest. I'm not assailing Goyer here. I'm weighing in on the execution of this particular instance.
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Gorn Myson posted:I like how we've gone from "BvS sucked because Batman kills people <no further push on why thats important>" to "BvS sucked because it didn't inspire enough internet memes". People who have good things to say about BvS have better senses of humor & are babes
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I think my grudge against Goyer is still the line "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." It's such a dumb, clumsy thing to say yet it caught on anyway. It would be better if "see yourself" was cut entirely but I think it's still pretty striking, even if the idea it conveys doesn't like, hold up, really ("cool thing that doesn't hold up to examination" being true of many of the Nolan Batman lines and plots)
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TFRazorsaw posted:The immortal lines from the Nolanverse that stuck with me are things like "Why do we fall?", "Why so serious", "Let's put a smile on that face!", "Some men want to watch the world burn", and Gordon's final speech at the end. Nothing I've seen from BvS has proven as immediately and positively enduring (in a prophetic sense) as those were when they were heard for the first time. I think for a line to achieve what you're saying, to have the effect they did, they need to pull that off. This is because it's not Snyder's style to infuse his shots with MEANING so that you know you're watching AN IMPORTANT FILM about VALUES (recall that shot of, idk, layed-up Bruce on his couch, any shot of Alfred looking worried, very Spielbergian shots and so-on). Snyder goes more for the Michael Bay school of connecting images through motifs and, to lean on this maybe a little too heavily, dream-logic. Nonetheless in both the Nolan trilogy and MoS/Beavis it seems Goyer's trademark is to set up the moral conflict with trailer-friendly (dare I say comic-booky) one-liners ("victory has defeated you/do you feel in charge," vs. "I will build my world upon the bones of this one," "you will fall, because you possess a morality, and we do not. That's evolution."*) *I'm probably not getting the lines exactly right but retaining the idea of them is more the point since what Goyer does is set the tone or feel of the punchtastic conflicts with lines that are weighty or hopeless or vengeful or whatever.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Days of Future Past had some really awesome fights For a film that was pretty bloodless, some of those future deaths had me cringing. I'd be horrified of those Sentinels too.
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Hat Thoughts posted:People who have good things to say about BvS have better senses of humor & are babes
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Gorn Myson posted:I like how we've gone from "BvS sucked because Batman kills people <no further push on why thats important>" to "BvS sucked because it didn't inspire enough internet memes". The reason Batman killing in BvS didn't work for me is that I felt the film successfully sold me on how terrible a person this Batman had become, but didn't succeed in convincingly "redeeming" him in the end. This made the resolution of his and Superman's conflict ultimately fall flat for me.
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I disagree on Snyder and I disagree even heavily on Michael Bay. These movies are not subtle, they bludgeon you over the head with their themes. Putting Superman in front of a depiction of Jesus in blue and red is as loud a value statement as you can get. Hell, judging by "Communion", he's already turning the more mythological and folklore-derived New Gods into generic-looking sci-fi versions of Judeo Christian demons. It's not really the same as lines, but they speak to the same approach and execution.
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CelticPredator posted:The thing is, If he's out for Justice League, I feel like most of my issues with Man of Steel and BvS would fade away. Chris Terrio pretty much rewrote Goyer top-to-bottom on BvS, so...
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CelticPredator posted:I don't agree. I don't really have an argument against it, I just fundamentally do not believe this. It just goes against what I believe in when it comes to my personal art. I just don't like making bad things, if I can help it. How do you cope with the existence of works like Watchmen or Hamlet? I'm not trying to be cruel, I'm just raising my eyebrows at the idea that tragedy is anathema to art.
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Oh well then Justice League is gonna be another big piece of crap then!
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Batman killing in BvS was not a serious problem that brought down the film. Most moviegoers are not big readers of Batman comics and don't give a poo poo; to them he's just another action hero who kills bad guys. What brought BvS down is poorly thought-out characterization and dialogue. Look at the MCU films. Pretty much all the heroes there kill their enemies and those films are good (why don't you guys ever complain when Captain America kills Nazis?).
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HIJK posted:How do you cope with the existence of works like Watchmen or Hamlet? Watchmen and Hamlet are pretty great and I don't have to suffer through poor storytelling to find something in it.
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I'm glad for the clarification that these things only apply to you, that way it's easy to disregard it as criticism.
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