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Zudgemud posted:It is 95% non memorable shite music though, and the whole show is generally tacky with overproduced artistry that all looks the same after you have watched it a couple of times. Could use some shaking up imho, like holding it every second year or so, and put more effort into the musical content and not only the show. yes, but the other 5% are magical. never forget 
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That French entry about wanting to grow a moustache was pretty cringe-inducing. I was definitely not Charlie during that.
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May 9, 2016 15:40
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Tesseraction posted:I was definitely not Charlie during that. That's a turn of phrase I'm going to use at cocktail parties.
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May 9, 2016 17:12
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Oh, since I'm here, the vice-president of our parliament just resigned on accounts of sexual harassment. 
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A man has stabbed a bunch of people near Munich and killed at least one while shouting "Allahu ackbar": http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/messerattacke-107.htmlquote:Ein Mann hat am S-Bahnhof Grafing bei München mehrere Passanten mit einem Messer angegriffen. Vier Menschen wurden verletzt, der Täter wurde überwältigt. Derzeit prüft die Polizei Zeugenaussagen, denen zufolge der Mann während des Angriffs "Allahu Akbar" gerufen haben soll.
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According to AP he is just messed in the head and has no ties to ISIS or any sort of Islamic extremism network.
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France's senate voted to extend the state of emergency until the end of July. Now it's going back to the lower house for the final vote (a formality).
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Why does the state of emergency need to be extended at this point?
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LemonDrizzle posted:The chancellor of Austria has resigned after his party crashed and burned horribly in the presidential elections, and people in his party are calling for closer cooperation with the populist/anti-immigrant FPÖ: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/09/werner-faymann-quits-as-austrian-chancellor social democrats with extreme nationalists, social nationalists if you will
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Tesseraction posted:Why does the state of emergency need to be extended at this point? I'm guessing the Euros 2016 play a big part.
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May 10, 2016 15:48
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France's best article of law, the 49-3 is going to come into effect! That means the government could be overthrown by the Parliament! But wont! Yayyyyyyy....
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Kurtofan posted:I'm guessing the Euros 2016 play a big part. Is it literally impossible to provide high security without a state of emergency? I thought it was only really required to successfully perform a manhunt.
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French politics own. Tesseraction posted:Is it literally impossible to provide high security without a state of emergency? I thought it was only really required to successfully perform a manhunt. Oh the state of emergency is largely useless! It extends the powers of the police and the reach of administrative justice, which makes it easier to arbitrarily ban demonstrations and arrest certain people. But it provides no further security for events such as the Euro 2016, lol
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May 10, 2016 18:01
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It's security theater. It's also worth noting that France's been on high alert for terrorist attacks for over a decade before the Charlie Hebdo massacre.
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May 10, 2016 18:36
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I thought most of Western Europe was on 'Serious risk of terrorism' alert stages all the time.
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May 10, 2016 18:42
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namesake posted:I thought most of Western Europe was on 'Serious risk of terrorism' alert stages all the time. With a rather broad definition for serious risk, arguably.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Flowers For Algeria posted:French politics own. Kassad posted:It's security theater. It's also worth noting that France's been on high alert for terrorist attacks for over a decade before the Charlie Hebdo massacre. It's somewhat comforting to know that even if we leave the EU, Britain leaves behind authoritarian states of each kind in its wake, be it atheist France, Christian Eastern Europe, and whatever the gently caress Turkey (EU status: pending) is these days.
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namesake posted:I thought most of Western Europe was on 'Serious risk of terrorism' alert stages all the time.
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Can't get labour reform laws through parliament? gently caress it, just ram 'em through via presidential decree! http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests-labour-idUSKCN0Y11Q6 quote:Unable to put down a rebellion within their own ruling party, French President Francois Hollande and his Socialist government on Tuesday opted to force unpopular labor market reforms through the lower house of parliament without a vote.
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It's not "presidential decree" exactly. The mechanics of the relationship between the Government and Parliament are kinda complex, but basically what article 49.3 does is it suspends all amendments on the bill and forces a vote of no confidence on the Government. If the vote of no confidence fails, then it is considered that the bill has been adopted as is by the Assemblée Nationale, and it has to be voted upon by the Senate (but the Senate can be circumvented as well in the end if it's too rebellious). Technically the law is supposed to go back and forth two times between the Assemblée and the Senate, in order for the two chambers to agree on the same bill, but there is also an emergency procedure that reduce this to only one back and forth. A good thing is that article 49.3 may only be used once per year. A bad thing is that it can be used at all. French. Politics. Own.
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Tesseraction posted:It's somewhat comforting to know that even if we leave the EU, Britain leaves behind authoritarian states of each kind in its wake, be it atheist France, Christian Eastern Europe, and whatever the gently caress Turkey (EU status: pending) is these days. You can take the country out of the authoritarian states union, but....
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Tesseraction posted:It's somewhat comforting to know that even if we leave the EU, Britain leaves behind authoritarian states of each kind in its wake, be it atheist France, Christian Eastern Europe, and whatever the gently caress Turkey (EU status: pending) is these days. So, uhm, what country is not authoritarian in your opinion?
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GaussianCopula posted:So, uhm, what country is not authoritarian in your opinion? Liberland, obviously. 
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Flowers For Algeria posted:
Technically, it can be used to pass a budget or changes to the financing of Social Security, in addition to one law per parliamentary session, which is to say a year, to be fair. There's another thing you need to mention when talking about how poo poo France's constitution is (because it was written so De Gaulle could do whatever he wants): Article 12, which the President can use to just dissolve the Assemblée whenever he wants. There's new elections, and a new Assemblée. So, basically, a president can use the 49.3, and use the threat of dissolution to tell the majority "Hey, if you vote against my government, I dissolve the Assemblée and you're out". Fun times. And if that doesn't matter because we're one year away from 2017, you can always threaten to kick them out of the party, and blow that up. French politics!
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ElNarez posted:French politics! https://twitter.com/HouseofCards/status/730375464590684160 https://twitter.com/manuelvalls/status/730391854085222400
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GaussianCopula posted:So, uhm, what country is not authoritarian in your opinion? Whatever country that you don't have a say in.
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ElNarez posted:French politics! And so, predictably, there aren't enough people on the left to file a motion of no confidence separate from the right's. So, already, higher-ups in the PS are saying "you're either with us or against us", and the party is going to keep eating itself.
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Why exactly is Manuel Valls in the Socialist Party at all? He seems to be even worse at it than Tony Blair.
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Socialist just means 'Democrat' in European politics. I mean the general term democrat, not the American Democratic Party, where the term is also meaningless.
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Tesseraction posted:Socialist just means 'Democrat' in European politics. I mean the general term democrat, not the American Democratic Party, where the term is also meaningless. It wasn't always like this. The PS used to be the SFIO, for "French Section of the Worker's International", until 1969.
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ElNarez posted:It wasn't always like this. The PS used to be the SFIO, for "French Section of the Worker's International", until 1969. 
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Like many other "socialist" parties, they are there to give the electorate a choice between socially liberal* and socially conservative policies, somewhat, while enacting pro-capital economic policies and fool big parts of the electorate into thinking they are voting left wing. That's all there is to it. * Socially liberal except, as we've seen with Hollande, on security matters.
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There is no fooling going on.There is no silent majority earning for the great socialist revolution.the electorate is what it is.there is no fringe left.the fringe IS the left. I think a lot of people need to came to terms with this.
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ChainsawCharlie posted:There is no fooling going on.There is no silent majority earning for the great socialist revolution.the electorate is what it is.there is no fringe left.the fringe IS the left. Most if not all the electorate is not very informed and votes based on their "tribe" their colors if you will. They vote depending on whether the people they want to vote for says the right things or not, and then hardly check what they actually do. And so, calling yourself "socialist", and, even better, having been socialist in the past, will make an entire generation vote for you on that illusion. If asked about issues, few regular working people would say "sure, yeah, give capital more power", making right wing views marginal. I think a lot of people need to came to terms with this. PS. See what I did there?  Peace, bro.
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As-salamu alaykum my man. So you're saying that people will vote for someone they want to vote, if they say the things they want to ear, whether they call themselves socialist or a Big Mac. If they are ill informed about the issues, how do they know what is socialism and what is not? wouldn't they be voting for that guy if he was Prime Minister Bob , party:Retrofuturists? So how there's this notion that "no, actually if people knew what socialism is really about they would be voting in droves for us" There are political parties whose main platform is basically "gently caress capitalism" and they barely crack 10% of the vote, even among "regular working people". I should know, because I'm part of one. I'm saying that a boatload (no refugees) of people on the Left should come to terms with this.
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ChainsawCharlie posted:As-salamu alaykum my man. Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying. Politics is identity first, anything else second. mean, I dunno, maybe I'm projecting too much from what happens in Spain, but lots of regular working class people prefer to hear the song of "oh you are middle class, you are not one of those poors" even when, very obviously, it's not the case. Seriously, how many people of the regular working class vote against their interests? Again, Spain here but conservative parties get a lot of votes just pouring the hatred on the other identities, namely the catalans and basque. I would like to understand your point better but feels like a derail, what if we take this to PM?
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It's the age-old debate of whether politicians should shape opinions or follow them. Structuralists say shape and rational choicists say follow.
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ElNarez posted:It wasn't always like this. The PS used to be the SFIO, for "French Section of the Worker's International", until 1969. Oh I know, but after their Reign of Terror we are now in the Thermidor period. Neo-liberalism for everyone!
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Tesseraction posted:Oh I know, but after their Reign of Terror we are now in the Thermidor period. well, after some further imperial misadventures, there's light on the horizon
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blowfish posted:well, after some further imperial misadventures, there's light on the horizon Waterloo?
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