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homeowner 39 22.41%
renter 69 39.66%
stupid peace of poo poo 66 37.93%
Total: 174 votes
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exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
Lol that he has to do work, for the charity John Campbell popularised

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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Exclamation Marx posted:

Lol that he has to do work, instead of dole bludging

door.jar
Mar 17, 2010

Ghostlight posted:

Your Honour, he's a hypocritical dick.

http://thespinoff.co.nz/10-05-2016/cameron-slater-fearless-crusader-against-name-suppression-just-had-his-name-suppression-lifted/ covers Slater's previous comments against name suppression

Jacobin
Feb 1, 2013

by exmarx
Its actually really great name suppression has lifted for him I think, if it weren't for this quarterly reminder of how much he has ruined his life and made things harder for his family already I would have had to hire people to make sure it was happening or something

klen dool
May 7, 2007

Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Ghostlight posted:

You don't need a clean slate to get diversion.


It's nice the lawyer said he shouldn't get name suppression because a hypothetical cooling of 'investors' is not "extreme hardship" and also, Your Honour, he's a hypocritical dick.

I've had 3, careless driving, being on a building, and breaking a bottle on the street. Both good letters of apology and being white helps....

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
I watch literally a minute of 3 news for the first time in months, and there's Patrick Gower scaremongering about Asians buying houses

Big Bad Beetleborg
Apr 8, 2007

Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

Have you learned your lesson?

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I saw it more about how godawful and soft the data was. The problem is nobody is willing or has the data about anything that can help the housing crisis. The government refuses to acknowledge the housing problem exists and its hard to do datamining without being accused of racism. Even if someone did do it in a scientific fashion they would be called the racist regardless of how the data turned out.

Prices keep exploding and more and more people become unhappy.

Jacobin
Feb 1, 2013

by exmarx
I got diversion for drinking in liquor ban area in Dunedin as a fresher fwiw

Brain In A Jar
Apr 21, 2008

klen dool posted:

I've had 3, careless driving, being on a building, and breaking a bottle on the street. Both good letters of apology and being white helps....

What exactly does "being on a building" entail?

The Schwa
Jul 1, 2008

Brain In A Jar posted:

What exactly does "being on a building" entail?

iirc it's exactly what it says on the can

e: maybe parliament??

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Trespass, perhaps?

Almost got done for that in Korea. Still, Urban exploration's pretty fun. Pity it was too wet to enjoy those beers, though.

Lancelot
May 23, 2006

Fun Shoe
in the UK (where i live now) we have:
1) a comprehensive capital gains tax at 28% on all land sales, other than the house you live in;
2) a transfer tax on buying property, which tops out at 15% for properties worth £500k or more; and
3) ATED, an annual tax on companies that own residential property, which is roughly 0.7% of the property's value each year

and land prices are still absolutely insane in london. we're all hosed.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Is it similar an offence to sneaking into your old primary school in the middle of the night for no sober reason?

Cause for that you get told off and warned by the cops for looking like burglars, not rushed off to court. I'm told by a friend.

I CHARGE YOU WITH *THUNDER* BEING ON A BUILDING!!
verdict GUILTY!!!!

Laws are strange.

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Lancelot posted:

in the UK (where i live now) we have:
1) a comprehensive capital gains tax at 28% on all land sales, other than the house you live in;
2) a transfer tax on buying property, which tops out at 15% for properties worth £500k or more; and
3) ATED, an annual tax on companies that own residential property, which is roughly 0.7% of the property's value each year

and land prices are still absolutely insane in london. we're all hosed.

otoh NZ cities don't have 10 million people living in them

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh1nyb7UKRM

Can almost guarantee the MP he references is David Bennett

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

oohhboy posted:

I saw it more about how godawful and soft the data was. The problem is nobody is willing or has the data about anything that can help the housing crisis. The government refuses to acknowledge the housing problem exists and its hard to do datamining without being accused of racism. Even if someone did do it in a scientific fashion they would be called the racist regardless of how the data turned out.

Prices keep exploding and more and more people become unhappy.

I just wish people would spend half the time they spend talking about the supposedly huge issue of foreign buyers talking about literally any other contributors to high house prices like low interest rates, poo poo urban planning and a lack of land and infrastructure commitment from central Govt.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Butt Wizard posted:

I just wish people would spend half the time they spend talking about the supposedly huge issue of foreign buyers talking about literally any other contributors to high house prices like low interest rates, poo poo urban planning and a lack of land and infrastructure commitment from central Govt.

This a million billion times.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Not to mention a city council in Auckland with a majority of wankers who refused to allow the high density part of the unitary plan. They say it's because they're afraid of people having to live in shoe boxes, when really they don't want the harbour view built out in their quarter acre Herne Bay property.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



The high cost of houses isn't a problem. It's a feature. That's why the closest central gets to "fixing" the "problem" is mandating regional to release more land than it has budgeted without also committing to meeting the resulting inflation of infrastructure.

It drives up rates and drives have-littles off the more long-term profitable slices in the middle out into the edges which the have-lots can then safeguard until the government inevitably heavily subsidises the kind of intensive development that the market says should have started a decade ago.


Or, you know, the body of 121 people making the decisions about housing who collectively own almost 300 properties doesn't actually understand how owning 0 property is a problem.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Butt Wizard posted:

I just wish people would spend half the time they spend talking about the supposedly huge issue of foreign buyers talking about literally any other contributors to high house prices like low interest rates, poo poo urban planning and a lack of land and infrastructure commitment from central Govt.

Or, y'know, taxing the gently caress out of that poo poo. Why don't we have a brutal capital gains tax yet?

Oh right because we'll lose our tax haven status if there's no easy and cheap way to stash millions of dollars long-term here.

klen dool
May 7, 2007

Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Brain In A Jar posted:

What exactly does "being on a building" entail?

Well, its distinct from trespassing. In Dunedin, on moray place which rings around the octagon, there is a building with a done on the corner. We used to sneak up there up a fire escape and across some roofs to smoke a sneaky J and it was neat. One night though, we were really drunk and loud, and someone called the cops, and we were arrested for "being on a building".

klen dool
May 7, 2007

Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Exclamation Marx posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh1nyb7UKRM

Can almost guarantee the MP he references is David Bennett

That was a fantastic interview, with a guy who has decided to sacrifice his reputation and job for standing up for what he believes in. I stand up for what I believe in, but noone gives a poo poo about me - I don't have a job that would be sacrificed or a reputation to destroy. People already think I am a lunatic.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Capital gains alone will not fix the problem of housing prices, it will just make the price increases graph in a sawtooth pattern rather than a smooth curve.

Big Bad Beetleborg
Apr 8, 2007

Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

You need to be told to leave/stay away for it to be trespass, it's not B&E, and burglary/unlawful entry don't apply if you don't actually enter a structure?

Seems like one of those things where "it ought to be a crime" but wasn't, so they added a new clause to the Crimes Act.

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action
My understanding is that the criminalisation of being on a building was really just a way to further disenfranchise the Spider Men, Women and, indeed, People amongst us

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy
Bill English is going to solve the housing problem in the upcoming budget.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11636967

quote:

English signals measures in Budget to release more land.
That's it, really.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

Ivor Biggun posted:

Bill English is going to solve the housing problem in the upcoming budget.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11636967

That's it, really.

Hasn't he said that for the last 6 budgets?

Ratios and Tendency
Apr 23, 2010

:swoon: MURALI :swoon:


It's unsolvable at this point short of a massive market correction that wipes out every property owner in Auckland.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Varkk posted:

Hasn't he said that for the last 6 budgets?
It's really hard to free up land when you're only spending $2mil a hectare, ok?

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Ratios and Tendency posted:

It's unsolvable at this point short of a massive market correction that wipes out every property owner in Auckland.

Only in the sense that it's already hosed. It doesn't need to get worse though, and it is.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



John Key kicked out of the house on a flimsy excuse so he doesn't embarrass himself trying to own James Shaw.

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy
gently caress you poors.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11637467

quote:

Government won't rule out debt-to-income restrictions on house-buying

The Reserve Bank's governor Graeme Wheeler said today debt-to-income restrictions could be one of the potential responses to rising house prices, which he identified as a risk to New Zealand's economy.

The restriction was used in the United Kingdom, where most buyers could not get a mortgage higher than 4.5 times their annual income.

Prime Minister John Key would not rule out debt-to-income limits this afternoon.

"We don't want to see a bubble emerging in the housing market," he said.

"And potentially if there are recommendations the Government is not ruling out adopting those recommendations or allowing the Reserve Bank to do it.

"We've already done that before with [loan to value] ratios and there are other options."
...
Mr Key said he would not want to lock people out of the housing market.

But he added: "One of the ways to make sure they can get into the housing market is to ensure that the rate of increase isn't too fast for too long."

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Ratios and Tendency posted:

It's unsolvable at this point short of a massive market correction that wipes out every property owner in Auckland.

I pray for this every day. Dehumanize yourself and face to the free hand of the market.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Ghostlight posted:

John Key kicked out of the house on a flimsy excuse so he doesn't embarrass himself trying to own James Shaw.

Speaking of his stupid attempt at owning James Shaw, did I miss something, or did Greenpeace and the Green Party merge?

edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 06:09 on May 11, 2016

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



The Green Party supports Greenpeace and Russel Norman now works for them, therefore they are the same thing.






please ignore how this logic also applies to National and their crony capitalism.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Ghostlight posted:

Capital gains alone will not fix the problem of housing prices, it will just make the price increases graph in a sawtooth pattern rather than a smooth curve.

P much. Capital gains taxes are fine, but capital gains taxes combined with gently caress all supply and incredibly low interest rates will mean prices just increase to preserve the current margins and the expectation will be that the buyer just borrows extra to foot the bill.

I mean 'lock in' has been pretty heavily done to death with CGT and the prevailing thoughts seem to be it isn't a thing, but that's not something that's been tested in a market where there's a huge shortage, gently caress-all capacity for land/densification and a central bank that can't figure out how low interest rates and increasing house prices are related.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
https://twitter.com/KupuHou/status/730125196917497857

I love this account

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Exclamation Marx posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh1nyb7UKRM

Can almost guarantee the MP he references is David Bennett

I am not European, but pretty much raised Kiwi and I haven't though about how bloody insidious the racism is to the point even I have thought of some of the negative things he brought up how ever briefly they were and not realise the damage by brushing it off as a sound bite like the purpose of the Mario seats. There is the low hanging fruit that mostly right wingers push, or point at the US and their racism, but to have these things seep in is not a good show. I am a little disappointed with myself and this is a good thing. Thanks Andrew for putting it out there and doing it so well.

Butt Wizard posted:

P much. Capital gains taxes are fine, but capital gains taxes combined with gently caress all supply and incredibly low interest rates will mean prices just increase to preserve the current margins and the expectation will be that the buyer just borrows extra to foot the bill.

I mean 'lock in' has been pretty heavily done to death with CGT and the prevailing thoughts seem to be it isn't a thing, but that's not something that's been tested in a market where there's a huge shortage, gently caress-all capacity for land/densification and a central bank that can't figure out how low interest rates and increasing house prices are related.
Squeezing the bottom like that isn't going to help people who actually need a house and live in it. It's all going to the top with cash buyers and investors making all the gains overseas or other wise. We need some serious disincentive for buying houses as an investment by trashing the returns and taking out the goal of raising equity. Breaking the land banks isn't going to help in the long term with land wasteful houses with no transport other than cars attached to it. We also need to sort out proper unmoveable minimums on apartments so they are liveable if we do build more with strong penalties for cutting even the smallest corner.

Selling all those state houses did nothing but throw the poorest into the expensive whims of the free market.

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Nude Bog Lurker
Jan 2, 2007
Fun Shoe
Post THANK YOU BASED NAZ in this thread and Naz will destroy John Key.

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