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Mike-o
Dec 25, 2004

Now I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed


Grimey Drawer

psydude posted:

The worst rear end-chewing I ever received in the Army was because I was wearing an armband while walking to the gym. No amount of loving up at actual important things can trump the importance of properly adhering to PT uniform standards on a 500 person FOB in the middle of the desert.

the only reason i still post in the army thread is to remind myself how loving sweet it is that i'm out. FUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKK THE ARRRRMMMMMMYYYYYY SMDFTB

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Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

I got chased by some MP's when I was a young'in living on post because I would steal golf balls that people were slicing off of the ft. leavenworth driving range. They said they were gonna give me 100 hours of community service for each golf ball that I had in my possession but nothing came of it #rebelwithoutacause

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

I've got another MP story. This one time there was this little poo poo stealing golf balls at the driving range at Ft Leavenworth..........

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

psydude posted:

The worst rear end-chewing I ever received in the Army was because I was wearing an armband while walking to the gym. No amount of loving up at actual important things can trump the importance of properly adhering to PT uniform standards on a 500 person FOB in the middle of the desert.

On my fob we were allowed to run with armbands on, we were also allowed to run in untucked tan tee or unit hoodie tho, couldnt wear headphones outside the gym but the tcns all drove their trucks like insane people so thats probably a good thing

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

spacetoaster posted:

I've got another MP story. This one time there was this little poo poo stealing golf balls at the driving range at Ft Leavenworth..........

never scared of the MP's


You should have been more worried about the guy in my class who stole tons of porn magazines from all of the stores that sold them at Ft. Leavenworth.

Dude literally stole 30-40 magazines over the course of a year. He got caught when he stole an MP3 player, and would have gotten away with it but realized when he opened it up at home it had no batteries. So what did he do? Went back to the PX and stole a pack of batteries and got caught as he left the store.

The MP's went through his room and found all the porn, and the MP's laughed and called him the porn king for the rest of the time he had to deal with them.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

MurderBot posted:

The MP's went through his room and found all the porn, and the MP's laughed and called him the porn king for the rest of the time he had to deal with them.

Those must have been noob MP's if they thought that was "porn king".

I worked customs in theater on a deployment. There's no way to describe the sheer amount of porn that came through.

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

This was like 2000 timeframe so we weren't full on hooah warfighters yet in america.

Aranan
May 21, 2007

Release the Kraken

Mustang posted:

Wait, so you can't run on post with headphones even in civvies? For safety I'm assuming? Thank god I live off post, even though I don't run with headphones anyways.

I'm the only soldier in my apartment complex and I like it that way. I've only seen 2 other soldiers out and about in my part of Tacoma so far.

It's one of many reasons why I haven't lived on post lately. I want to get off work and then forget i am in the army.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

Mike-o posted:

the only reason i still post in the army thread is to remind myself how loving sweet it is that i'm out. FUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKK THE ARRRRMMMMMMYYYYYY SMDFTB

Same.

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

Quality posting direct from my brain to your face holes.
/r/army is a bunch of war reenacting cosplay nerd autists that somehow actually made it in

don't read the whole loving thing obviously, just pick a random spot and remember this was written in earnest

quote:

The recent outbreak of infantry-on-cav ribbing is all in good fun, but it got me thinking that there are lots of people who don't really understand what Cav is and how it fits into the broader picture. So in the spirit of intra-branch goodwill, I offer this wee FAQ to help those from outside the CAV world who suddenly find themselves in it, or those thinking about joining and trying to choose their MOS.
What is Cavalry? Why is it still a thing when we don't use horses anymore?
Historically, Cavalry has been used for three things1 :
Shock Troops - designed to punch a hole through an enemy formation to either disrupt their moment, or to exploit the hole with follow-on forces.
Reconnaissance - dudes with horses posted far enough away from the main body of an army so that they can gallop back and tell the boss where the enemy is so the boss has enough reaction time and maneuver space to arrange his forces for battle.
Dragoons - forces that would use the superior speed and mobility of the horses to appear at unexpected places where they would then dismount and fight as infantry.
In the modern world, these are still critical aspects of the combined-arms fight. It's just that the horse is no-longer a useful tool when dealing with industrialized conventional armies. As other tools have become available, different kinds of units have taken on these roles:
Shock Troops => Armor
Reconnaissance => Cavalry
Dragoons => Air Cavalry & Mechanized Infantry
So some elements of the historical Cav mission are still 'branded' as Cavalry today. These units preserve the cavalry history and traditions, while integrating in a modern operational environment.
What's with the hat and spurs?
Militaries love traditions. And cavalry used to be the most prestigious fighting forces of the world. Just because the industrial revolution changed all of that doesn't mean that the traditions have disappeared. The distinctive headgear and spurs are an homage to our organizational roots as horsemen2.
The spur-ride is another beast entirely. When conducted properly, it's a validation of your understanding of the core doctrinal tasks required of cavalrymen, coupled with a physically and mentally demanding set of challenges designed to test your self-discipline and toughness. However since it's entirely managed at the unit level there is a high degree of variability and sometimes it ends up just being a big hazing event. So it should fill a role within the Cav community similar to the role that the EIB serves in the Infantry community, except it falls short of this in-practice.
I heard it was 'basically' infantry, is it?
No.
Oh, you want more info than that? Well, there are certainly some similarities. I'd argue that the individual skills of Cavalry and Infantry junior enlisted soldiers should be very similar; e.g. weapons proficiency, land-navigation, movement techniques, battle-drills, etc. So right from the get-go there's some confusion because the skill-sets look similar coming out of AIT. Additionally in the officer world Armor (including Cavalry) and Infantry are combined into one big uber-branch called Maneuver. They don't even distinguish between the two branches past Captain, they send us all to the same 'Maneuver' Captain's Career Course3. Add to that the fact that the past 15 years of asymmetric warfare haven't really called for a traditional cavalry mission so commanders at all levels have re-purposed their cavalry and used them as if they were extra infantry.
But they really are a different kinds of units with very different kinds of missions. Anyone who says that 'Cav is basically infantry' isn't doing it because they wish the were really infantry4 . They are doing it because it's way easier to say that that to try to explain all of the doctrinal stuff that makes Cav different. If you're just trying to tell your great aunt what you do in the Army and she wouldn't know the difference between a platoon and a paladin - she'll at least recognize the word 'infantry' and won't get distracted by the use of a word she associates with the Charge of the Light Brigade or Little Bighorn rather than modern military.
What's with the rivalry?
Cavalry units are smaller than their infantry brethren. Take an Armored Brigade Combat Team, for instance. In an ABCT there are 3 combined arms battalions and one cavalry squadron. So about 83% of the maneuver personnel in the brigade are in an infantry company - here's the rollup for each (pulled from the 2015 MCoE Force Structure Reference Data):
CAB (3ea): 597 personnel, 29 Tanks, 32 Bradleys, 2 Mortar Carriers
SQN (1ea): 376 personnel, 0 Tanks, 41 Bradleys, 6 Mortar Carriers
Recon is a distinctive mission with a pretty different mindset. Your job is to get out in front, and be the eyes and ears of your commander. If you're shooting at things with a direct-fire weapon system on a recon, you're probably doing it wrong5. When we're doing our job, we are several clicks away from support assets, and the enemy is coming into sector. We aren't on-line with a bunch of firepower to our left-and-right with a weapons company nearby and a reserve sitting pretty to come bail us out when we get pinned down. When commanders don't understand what they are doing with recon - the scouts all get killed. The joke is that you know when and where the enemy is approaching when you lose contact with your scouts. Haha, right?
Although, as near as I can tell the rivalry seems to be one-sided. For a majority group supposedly so secure in their dominance, why is the Infantry so concerned with what the Cav does? Hmm?
Bottom line - small units with a distinctive mission mixed together with larger units will always generate a certain clannish esprit de corps and competitive nature. This is probably a good thing in general because it keeps both sides striving for excellence.
About me: I'm a Cavalry Officer in the National Guard. I spent about 6 years in my brigade's Cav squadron. I deployed with my Troop as an LT, then spent my XO and Command time at home station.
1 Not a comprehensive list, just an overview.
2 Also, it drives you all nuts when we wear the hat, and we think it's funny to see that.
3 Sadly, it really just feels like the Infantry School ate the Armor School and changed it's letterhead.
4 Trust me, we don't wish that.
5 Not always. Recon-by-fire is a thing.
Edit - missed a footnote

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

holy poo poo im embarrased to have ever been in the army

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

holy poo poo im embarrased to have ever been in the army

Mike-o
Dec 25, 2004

Now I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed


Grimey Drawer

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

holy poo poo im embarrased to have ever been in the army

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

that dude enjoyed posting that

he thinks he did a good job

he thinks that it will make people like him more

that is wrong

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

holy poo poo im embarrased to have ever been in the army

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
Hey SGT why haven't you found this item on your inventory? What do you mean it's a loving typo? Typos have never happened in the history of the military especially not in serial numbers!

I don't give a poo poo that you have all the supporting documentation that someone made a typographical error, including network scans, corroborating emails, and inventories prior to that entry... you better tear down everything and find that piece of poo poo that doesn't exist!

Suntan Boy
May 27, 2005
Stained, dirty, smells like weed, possibly a relic from the sixties.



The greatest trick I ever played was signing over all my section's poo poo. gently caress every note of that noise.

Stanley Goodspeed
Dec 26, 2005
What, the feet thing?



Yeah I took over the company armorer position so I could mostly ride a desk out during my stop-loss deployment and by the third or fourth inventory I was ready to stomp on IEDs and climb up mountains for no reason again. That poo poo sucked terribly. Every single thing that ever went to maintenance or broke, no matter how well documented, turned whatever LT's brain to mush.

I somehow ended up doing the ammunition too and remember one incident where a we had to send a patrol to go search around a site they had been ambushed at a couple days prior to find and retrieve an expended AT4 tube because someone at battalion insisted that even the empties were sensitive and needed to be accounted for.

I didn't even show up to the final handover inventory, thought I was going to end up going to jail or owing the Army a million loving dollars for some missing Vietnam-era seismic sensing equipment or something. I just had some of my guys walk the commander through everything and sign it over to the next poor fucker to inherit my curse. One of them came back and told me it was all good and nothing was missing and it was pretty much on par with getting out of the Army in terms of how happy I was.

Aranan
May 21, 2007

Release the Kraken
The greatest trick I ever played was signing over all my life and soul to the army.

I played the trick on myself.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Aranan posted:

The greatest trick I ever played was signing over all my life and soul to the army.

I played the trick on myself.

Lot's of people do.

Aranan
May 21, 2007

Release the Kraken

spacetoaster posted:

Lot's of people do.

Bunch of idiots.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

spacetoaster posted:

Lot's of people do.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

So I work with a guy. We've known each other for about a decade. His daughters won't speak to him, his wife won't divorce him only because of religious beliefs, and he has drama with everyone he works with. When on deployment or TDY he retreats to be alone in his room when work is over.

And all of this is because of the Army, and his "dedication" to it.

I also know he will be one of the guys who belittles me for retiring and not chasing the next promotion.

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

Stanley Goodspeed posted:

Yeah I took over the company armorer position so I could mostly ride a desk out during my stop-loss deployment and by the third or fourth inventory I was ready to stomp on IEDs and climb up mountains for no reason again. That poo poo sucked terribly. Every single thing that ever went to maintenance or broke, no matter how well documented, turned whatever LT's brain to mush.

I somehow ended up doing the ammunition too and remember one incident where a we had to send a patrol to go search around a site they had been ambushed at a couple days prior to find and retrieve an expended AT4 tube because someone at battalion insisted that even the empties were sensitive and needed to be accounted for.

I didn't even show up to the final handover inventory, thought I was going to end up going to jail or owing the Army a million loving dollars for some missing Vietnam-era seismic sensing equipment or something. I just had some of my guys walk the commander through everything and sign it over to the next poor fucker to inherit my curse. One of them came back and told me it was all good and nothing was missing and it was pretty much on par with getting out of the Army in terms of how happy I was.

It was more than likely the CSA/ASP/AHA giving them poo poo about it because they are to the point where they need to be turned in during training scenarios but it's not like people police brass up after engaging so I don't know if he was just stupid or his Ammo Officer was.

Also running over tubes works just fine.

Nice and hot piss
Feb 1, 2004

spacetoaster posted:

So I work with a guy. We've known each other for about a decade. His daughters won't speak to him, his wife won't divorce him only because of religious beliefs, and he has drama with everyone he works with. When on deployment or TDY he retreats to be alone in his room when work is over.

And all of this is because of the Army, and his "dedication" to it.

I also know he will be one of the guys who belittles me for retiring and not chasing the next promotion.

Does he have all of his challenge coins in broad daylight and tell people about when he got them and how he got them on a daily basis? If so, promote that man x2

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

MurderBot posted:

Does he have all of his challenge coins in broad daylight and tell people about when he got them and how he got them on a daily basis? If so, promote that man x2

He goes to every ceremony he can. Any opportunity to wear ASU's. He'll even fly across the country to do so.

I mean, I go to the MOA banquet every year. But that's because it's usually in a cool place like Hawaii. And it's like a drunken frat party. And I like to party.

*edit* It's guys like this that make me realize that managing your local CVS pharmacy for not a pile of money, but having a reasonably stress free life and a happy family is better than this SUPER ARMY OFFICER MAN life.

spacetoaster fucked around with this message at 15:24 on May 10, 2016

moodyhank31
Aug 29, 2012
Found out I won't be curtailed and can stay in beautiful Wiesbaden until my ETS! 18 months in Monterey (back when DLI was great) and 3 years in Germany on a 5 year contract. And no marriages or kids to boot. Pretty good work environment too honestly. 6 hour days, full pt exemption, chill leadership. BAS, FLPB, and COLA make it a good paycheck too. But reading this thread and so much other information, I know that 99% won't be the case at my next stop if I'd stayed in. Definitely a pay cut too lol. I think I won for the most part. Leaving the table soon and cashing out. Either post 9/11 for an mba or using my experience and TS for a job. Maybe both. Fygm I guess.

moodyhank31 fucked around with this message at 15:54 on May 10, 2016

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

moodyhank31 posted:

Found out I won't be curtailed and can stay in beautiful Wiesbaden until my ETS! 18 months in Monterey (back when DLI was great) and 3 years in Germany on a 5 year contract. And no marriages or kids to boot. Pretty good work environment too honestly. 6 hour days, full pt exemption, chill leadership. BAS, FLPB, and COLA make it a good paycheck too. But reading this thread and so much other information, I know that 99% won't be the case at my next stop if I'd stayed in. Definitely a pay cut too lol. I think I won for the most part. Leaving the table soon and cashing out. Either post 9/11 for an mba or using my experience and TS for a job. Maybe both. Fygm I guess.

Don't forget to go to the TMC/sick call/whatever and get every ache and pain documented. And get copies of that stuff. You can also file your VA claim a couple months before your ETS too.

*edit* I spoke to a dude the other day who did 8 years and got out.

Me: "Have you filed a claim for VA disability?"
Him: "I'm not disabled."
Me: "Are you telling me that you did 8 years and you finished in exactly the same physical condition as when you joined?"
Him: "Yup :smuggo:"
Me: "Good for you. Bye."

spacetoaster fucked around with this message at 16:01 on May 10, 2016

Mike-o
Dec 25, 2004

Now I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed


Grimey Drawer
lol what a retard

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
We're now doing a FLIPL for an item that never existed.

gently caress this gay earth.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

Wasabi the J posted:

We're now doing a FLIPL for an item that never existed.

They think your dignity was on the property book?

Stanley Goodspeed
Dec 26, 2005
What, the feet thing?



Wasabi the J posted:

We're now doing a FLIPL for an item that never existed.

gently caress this gay earth.

Isn't there a way to get stuff struck from the books without having to go through all that? Or did you guys just speed past reasonable and end up in full loving retard zone by the time anyone noticed? Where is your supply guy?

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Stanley Goodspeed posted:

Isn't there a way to get stuff struck from the books without having to go through all that? Or did you guys just speed past reasonable and end up in full loving retard zone by the time anyone noticed? Where is your supply guy?

Joint environment debbadawg oic shits two hundred miles past full retard.

No supply guys. Just custodians signing for poo poo that gets passed on by shop. I'd go to IG of I didn't t have seven more months here. Everyone cycles through so fast, no one would follow up on anything, all I'd do is mark myself.

FLIPL is likely to get waived anyway, no one knows what the duck to do about an item being created out of thin air not being counted.

I have all my evidence, if it goes tits up I'll report it.

Stanley Goodspeed
Dec 26, 2005
What, the feet thing?



Too late now but it's usually easier to get yourself an electric scratch pen / etching tool and just note the "correct" serial below the real one, assuming you're reading poo poo off to a dude with a clipboard or whatever.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Stanley Goodspeed posted:

Too late now but it's usually easier to get yourself an electric scratch pen / etching tool and just note the "correct" serial below the real one, assuming you're reading poo poo off to a dude with a clipboard or whatever.

The thing literally never existed. Nothing to etch

Stanley Goodspeed
Dec 26, 2005
What, the feet thing?



Oh I thought you had a typo on the inventory for something you actually owned or whatever. I guess etch SMDFTB-FTA onto your commander instead then. gently caress property and gently caress the army.

Diarrhea Elemental
Apr 2, 2012

Am I correct in my assumption, you fish-faced enemy of the people?

EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:

They think your dignity was on the property book?

:boom:

This post is highly underrated, much like EBB's mother.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
Property accountability has to be the thing I'm least looking forward to this year. Hand receipting down everything I possibly can. I'm sure I'll lose a hammer or something and owe the army a couple thousand dollars.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Wasabi the J posted:

The thing literally never existed. Nothing to etch

Etch it on a beer can.

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Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

Hey guys. Over heard one today.

"When you're all alone on the battlefield, you're gonna wish you pushed yourself on your PT Test."

I laughed and got looked at. Didn't look back.

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