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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
One of the chefs aren't just coincidentally called William Shorten are they?

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Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

If the election was like masterchef, which chef would you vote for?

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
the best part is when three middle aged white men eat food in front of everyone and then say mean things to Vietnamese and Greek immigrants

quality tv that truly reflects the Australian character

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Negligent posted:

the best part is when three middle aged white men eat food in front of everyone and then say mean things to Vietnamese and Greek immigrants

quality tv that truly reflects the Australian character

Isn't the bald judge Greek? Or s he not on it anymore?

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!
Why do we have so loving many cooking shows, anyway? Every station has several cooking shows, and it's baffling to me.

I'm not someone who tremendously enjoys the acts of making and eating food, so our apparent national love of watching people cook meats, rices and pastries honestly makes me feel kind of alienated.

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
Just ignore all the imitators and the half a dozen shows hosted by master chef alumni and watch the grand daddy of them all, I.e. master chef.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Negligent posted:

why are you guys reading gbs when master chef is on

If you pirate it why does it matter when it's on?

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Cleretic posted:

Why do we have so loving many cooking shows, anyway? Every station has several cooking shows, and it's baffling to me.

I'm not someone who tremendously enjoys the acts of making and eating food, so our apparent national love of watching people cook meats, rices and pastries honestly makes me feel kind of alienated.

There is only one cooking show. It's called the Katering Show.

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
Oh yeah the bald guy is of Greek background I think

But they have a guest chef who is a pom yelling at people so it balances out

GrandMaster
Aug 15, 2004
laidback

hooman posted:

There is only one cooking show. It's called the Katering Show.

Two, you're forgetting IRON CHEF.

Seagull
Oct 9, 2012

give me a chip

Negligent posted:

But they have a guest chef who is a pom yelling at people so it balances out

yeah kitchen nightmares is p good television

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

Cleretic posted:

Why do we have so loving many cooking shows, anyway? Every station has several cooking shows, and it's baffling to me.


1) Cheap to make
2) Everyone likes to eat
3) People watch this poo poo


BTW what are the ratings on Gogglebox like? Just wondering how low we've slipped as a race.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Starshark posted:

1) Cheap to make
2) Everyone likes to eat
3) People watch this poo poo


BTW what are the ratings on Gogglebox like? Just wondering how low we've slipped as a race.

"very low" is either the answer to the first part of this question or the second.

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
bill shorten probably gets a staffer to make him a zeitgeist tape so that he can seem "hip" and "with it"

evilbastard
Mar 6, 2003

Hair Elf
Go on, you all knew it was going to happen. There is no suggestion he had acted improperly.

quote:

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is named in the Panama Papers as a former director of a British Virgin Islands company set up and administered by law firm Mossack Fonseca to exploit a Siberian gold prospect.

Mr Turnbull and former NSW Premier Neville Wran on October 29 1993 joined the board of Star Mining NL, the Australian listed company which hoped to develop a $20 billion Siberian gold mine called Sukhoi Log.

Five weeks later, on December 3 1993, Turnbull and Wran were appointed directors of Star Mining's subsidiary in the British Virgin Islands, Star Technology Services Limited, that held the group's stake in the Sukhoi Log prospect, a joint venture called LenaGold.

A spokesman for Mr Turnbull said last night that the Prime Minister was not aware the company had been administered by Mossack Fonseca. There is no suggestion he had acted improperly.

The details are included in documents obtained by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists known as the Panama Paper but are not part of the publicly searchable database.

Mossack Fonseca incorporated the British Virgin Islands company in November 1991, under the name Green Applied Systems, for mining entrepreneur Ian MacNee.

The name was changed to Star Technology Services in 1992, after Mr MacNee together with a Russian-Australian, Ludmilla Melnikoff, negotiated with Russian politicians for a 34.88 per cent share in LenaGold.

Mr MacNee sold Star Technology to Star Mining in late 1993 in return for cash and shares. As Star Technology now held the Australian listed company's major asset it was not unusual for Mr Wran and Mr Tunrbull to be appointed to the board.

Mr Turnbull's spokesman said Mr Turnbull was not aware that the company had been administered by Mossack Fonseca. Responding to allegation that Star Technologies had made donations to Russian politicians the spokesman said Mr Turnbull was not aware of any such donations either before or after he was a director.

The use of the British Virgin Islands company provided limited visibility for Australian shareholders of the investment in Siberia: Star Technology was listed as a subsidiary in Star Mining's 1994 annual report with the note that it was a "controlled entity not required to be audited under British Virgin Islands requirements".

The Panama Papers—files originally obtained by German newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung and accessed in a collaboration with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists—show that Mossack Fonseca principal Raymon Fonseca had taken an interest in the company.

A fax sent by Mossack Fonseca Panama to its BVI office on November 5 1993 noted, in reference to a "Stamped License Fee Receipt" linked to Star Technology : "I refer to your fax 9425 of 2nd November 1993 in reply to Mr Fonseca, regarding John Wong's worries about the advice of payment received by him for [Star Technology]. Mr Fonseca asked me to express to you his thanks for the very through fax you sent."

In a second note in mid-1995, a Mossack Fonseca employee stated that half of Star Technology's shares were bearer shares, which were to be converted to registered shares.

While bearer shares are unusual for a wholly owned subsidiary, it's not suggested there was anything improper in Mr Turnbull's role.

He and Mr Wran resigned from Star Mining on September 1 1993 citing work commitments in Australia. They stepped down from Star Technology on September 25.

Turnbull & Partners and broker County NatWest raised $72 million for Star Mining in share placements October 1993.

Court decisions in Russia ultimately stripped Star Min ing of its LeanGold stake. The company wrote off $127 million on the failed venture in 1998.

There is no suggestion he had acted improperly.


It looks like one of the people involved, Ludmilla Melnikoff, was shopping her story around last year, but since her youtube video only has 222 there must not have been any bites.

There is no suggestion he had acted improperly.

BloatedCorpse
May 11, 2005
Downstairs
Seriously though, although there is no suggestion he acted improperly, is there any suggestion he acted improperly? :getin:

BloatedCorpse
May 11, 2005
Downstairs
Like, I read the article, and I can't actually decipher what was actually done by this company.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
A centrepiece of Malcolm Turnbull's re-election platform, the budget's PaTH interns program, breaches current minimum wage standards and would require changes that would either blow out its cost or see it stalled in a hostile Senate, according to employment law experts commissioned by the ACTU.

Legal advice sought by the peak union body suggests the PaTH program, (Prepare, Trial, Hire) which proposes to pay under 25-year-old jobseekers a $200-a-fortnight top-up over and above the dole, would leave vulnerable interns languishing below the legally enforceable minimum wage and potentially able to sue for recovery of unpaid wages.

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Currently a single childless jobseeker on Newstart gets $263 a week, which would rise to just $364 a week despite 25 hours of work per week.

The $840 million program forms a central plank of the Turnbull government's jobs and growth package.It features generous $1000 incentive payments to employers in the intern phase and $10,000 employer payments in the hire phase, raising concerns of a perverse incentive for employers to churn through interns.

But if the legal advice is correct, the program is not legally sound in its current form and would necessitate changes to the Fair Work Act, or have its subsidies increased to meet minimum wage rates, adding hundreds of millions to its cost.

Illustration: Ron Tandberg
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While concerns of exploitation and systemic abuse have been raised by unions and the group Interns Australia, the advice from the firm Maurice Blackburn Cashman is the first authoritative argument that it is technically illegal.

The ACTU argues it "would require new legislation to legalise a second-class category of $4-per-hour workers and remove those employees' basic rights under the Fair Work Act".

It says fixing the problem to bring interns's pay up to the legal minimum would "blow out" the cost of the PaTH program by $478 million.

"The government's plan is either very badly designed and underfunded, or very well designed to exploit Australian workers and strip them of their legal rights and pay," said ACTU president Ged Kearney.

"Not since the 1990s has it been legal to pay workers as little as $4 per hour. This policy takes employment standards in this country back almost 30 years and has the potential to drag down wages and conditions for all workers – not just those in lower-paid jobs.

"For a government to change the law to allow big companies to pay workers $4 an hour, while stripping them of protections and entitlements under the Fair Work Act is one of the heaviest betrayals of Australian workers since WorkChoices."

Legal academic Andrew Stewart, who is Adelaide University's John Bray Professor of Law, said it appeared there were problems with the hasty design of the scheme.

"It certainly appears that important details had not been worked out because this was announced last Tuesday with some information but nothing about safeguards and nothing about the operation of the Fair Work Act; nothing about the relationship to the National Work Experience Program and since then what we've seen is a drip-feed of announcements by a combination of minister and department officials in Senate Estimates, which, to me, suggest that the government has been sorting out details on the run," he said.

Professor Stewart said the difficulties arose because of ambiguities in the legal status of the relationship between intern and the firm - with the added complication of other parties such as the government and the job service provider. He said unlike the National Work Experience Program, in which people participated in purely voluntary work without pay, the PaTH scheme appeared to create an employment contract.

And that brings with it minimum standards in wages, safeguards, and insurance. However, he said there was little supporting detail on these areas at the time of release.

Defending the scheme last week after its budget day unveiling, Mr Turnbull rounded on Labor and unions for standing in the way of a chance to "change a life" by exposing a young person who had never worked, to the experience needed to get a job.

"You take a young person who is unemployed, who is perhaps unemployable, and you make them employable you change a whole life ... the life of their partner, the life of their children," he said

Questioned on the aspects of the program, Department of Employment secretary Rernee Leon had said employers would be kicked out of the scheme if they abused it.

"If an employer is making a habit of churning people through subsidised placements we would stop referring to them," she stated.

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
drat, I was just about to post that.


The parade of LNP incompetence marches on.

Au Revoir Shosanna
Feb 17, 2011

i support this government and/or service
Easy enough to fix, just lower the minimum wage so that $4/hour is within legal limits.

Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING
Just requested a postal vote be sent to me. Anybody got some resources for filling out the ballots? I.e. which innocuous-sounding parties are actually right-wing fronts, etc etc

Kafka Syrup
Apr 29, 2009

Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

Just requested a postal vote be sent to me. Anybody got some resources for filling out the ballots? I.e. which innocuous-sounding parties are actually right-wing fronts, etc etc

Sustainable Australia has some... questionable policies regarding immigration? If that's what you're getting at. Also Flux wants to use "blockchain" technology to "upgrade democracy"?

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Solemn Sloth posted:



.Legal academic Andrew Stewart, who is Adelaide University's John Bray Professor of Law, said it appeared there were problems with the hasty design of the scheme.

"It certainly appears that important details had not been worked out because this was announced last Tuesday with some information but nothing about safeguards and nothing about the operation of the Fair Work Act; nothing about the relationship to the National Work Experience Program and since then what we've seen is a drip-feed of announcements by a combination of minister and department officials in Senate Estimates, which, to me, suggest that the government has been sorting out details on the run," he said.
The government has entire departments of staff who exist only to test and model policy before shoving it out the door. Yet everything this government puts out there has had all the detail of a plan scribbled on the back of a coaster after last call

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Starshark posted:

1) Cheap to make
2) Everyone likes to eat
3) People watch this poo poo

I'll argue that second part, I don't like to eat. It's an annoying chore most of the time, admittedly not really helped by the fact that most of my life was spent around people who couldn't cook for poo poo.

Yes, I recognize that makes me a freak. But it's been a long time since I've enjoyed a meal because of the food rather than in spite of it, to the point where I'm not sure it's ever happened.

Cleretic fucked around with this message at 23:48 on May 11, 2016

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Sulla-Marius 88 posted:

Just requested a postal vote be sent to me. Anybody got some resources for filling out the ballots? I.e. which innocuous-sounding parties are actually right-wing fronts, etc etc

Wikileaks and the Sex Party are libertarians.

screaden
Apr 8, 2009

BloatedCorpse posted:

Like, I read the article, and I can't actually decipher what was actually done by this company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlymNLAAzUM

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Cleretic posted:

I'll argue that second part, I don't like to eat. It's an annoying chore most of the time, admittedly not really helped by the fact that most of my life was spent around people who couldn't cook for poo poo.

Yes, I recognize that makes me a freak. But it's been a long time since I've enjoyed a meal because of the food rather than in spite of it, to the point where I'm not sure it's ever happened.

What's your opinion on Soylent?

The post makes me want to take you out and fill you with delicious curries, but I'm sure you get that annoying "Oh, you'll definitely enjoy THIS" all the time.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Cleretic posted:

Yes, I recognize that makes me a freak.

It just makes you sound like you have depression.

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

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Snod. posted:

Are you from Nauru?

Not the last time I checked

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

Senor Tron posted:

What's your opinion on Soylent?

The post makes me want to take you out and fill you with delicious curries, but I'm sure you get that annoying "Oh, you'll definitely enjoy THIS" all the time.

I know he's an fplus fan so he's gotta be a little resistant to dumb internet stuff.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Wikileaks and the Sex Party are libertarians.

Yesterday's Wonk the Vote confused me a bit, as I know the Sex Party are Libertarians, but the Wonky lads didn't know.

Anyone still laughing over Bernadi being put second on the Liberal Senate ballot? Maybe he should start that Conservative Party he has always wanted to do, but never had the balls

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Senor Tron posted:

What's your opinion on Soylent?

The post makes me want to take you out and fill you with delicious curries, but I'm sure you get that annoying "Oh, you'll definitely enjoy THIS" all the time.

I recognize that it's terrible and stupid, but I wish it wasn't because I'd be all for it otherwise. I could go for a 'gently caress it, it'll keep me going' drink in place of a meal that'll take more time to make than eat and I won't enjoy eating anyway.

And I don't get that a lot, but that's because I just keep quiet about that in real life. Literally my entire office seems to be foodies, it'd be... a bad idea to say that for exactly that reason. I've gotten ten-minute recommendations when mentioning off-handedly that there's a Malaysian place on the bottom floor of my building.

Snod.
Oct 3, 2014

A friend of mine tried soylent and it seemed like it wasn't completely terrible and stupid

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's name has been found in the Panama Papers database.

A company register document shows he was the former director of a company called Star Technology Services Limited in the 1990s.

Also listed on the register is Mr Turnbull's business partner, former NSW Premier Neville Wran.

Both men resigned their directorship of Star Technology in September 1995.

The company was incorporated by Panamanian Law Firm Mossack Fonseca, which is one of the world's largest suppliers of shell companies in offshore jurisdictions.

More than 11 million documents including internal emails, faxes and client information dating back to the 1970s was leaked from the firm in one of the largest data leaks in history.

Thousands of names of clients using Mossack Fonseca for offshore trusts, shell companies and foundations were made public on Monday, however the information about Star Technology Services is contained in documents only accessible by Journalists working with the ICIJ.

The Panama Papers has revealed dozens of public officials and politicians used offshore companies and has led to the resignation of the Icelandic Prime Minister.

However, in most cases it is legal to use shell companies, foundations or trusts in offshore jurisdictions.

There is no suggestion of any wrongdoing by either Mr Turnbull or Mr Wran.

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

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Snod. posted:

A friend of mine tried soylent and it seemed like it wasn't completely terrible and stupid

From everything I've heard it sounds like it isn't bad tasting or hard to drink, just that it's boring as all hell and misses the fact that we eat food for reasons that aren't just beep boop nutrients go in mouth to make me walk forwards. I guess if you really hate chewing or the taste or texture of any actual food products it'd be pretty good.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Anidav posted:

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's name has been found in the Panama Papers database.

Read the thread, Anidav


evilbastard posted:

Go on, you all knew it was going to happen. There is no suggestion he had acted improperly.


There is no suggestion he had acted improperly.


It looks like one of the people involved, Ludmilla Melnikoff, was shopping her story around last year, but since her youtube video only has 222 there must not have been any bites.

There is no suggestion he had acted improperly.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
And read negligent?

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won

iajanus posted:

From everything I've heard it sounds like it isn't bad tasting or hard to drink, just that it's boring as all hell and misses the fact that we eat food for reasons that aren't just beep boop nutrients go in mouth to make me walk forwards. I guess if you really hate chewing or the taste or texture of any actual food products it'd be pretty good.

Also because the creator of soylent was literally just ordering vitamins + minerals in bulk from China and mixing them together based on his very poor knowledge of nutrition.

There's already supplements they use to keep people alive who can't put won't handle much food (like Ensure). They have the advantage of being put together by actual nutritionists and not a dude who killed his own gut flora.

Welsper
Jan 14, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Snod. posted:

A friend of mine tried soylent and it seemed like it wasn't completely terrible and stupid

Ensure already exists and doesn't give people heavy metal poisoning.

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Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

The dumbfuck that makes Soylent thinks he's being ecological by buying a bajillion cheap overalls and throwing them away after they become too soiled instead of washing.

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