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Tykero posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTlz7jlg0Ng Yes. Poise still effectively does nothing because nobody has zero poise.
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argondamn posted:Yes. Poise still effectively does nothing because nobody has zero poise. Yeah, that particular aspect is basically meaningless, but it's there. I'm willing to bet that there's more to it than that, though.
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And scientifically, nothing actually is something. Just like player poise.
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Deified Data posted:Yeah this is really the worst part. It's not that he's wrong - I was wrong about a lot of poo poo on my first playthrough. It's that he's so confident in his rightness and states it as immediate fact and disregards everything that contradicts his assumption out of hand. I couldn't handle more than a few episodes of this guy. Whoever he was playing with seemed cool, can't remember his name, wasn't very experienced, but i kept watching and hoping he'd just hand the controller off to the other guy and let him do his thing. Their DS2 playthrough where Woolie played and Pat guided him was pretty good but even then there were episodes where Pat would go on long diatribes about how much DS2 sucks and would quote that terrible matthewmatosis video verbatim.
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Tykero posted:Yeah, that particular aspect is basically meaningless, but it's there. Fortunately people have done testing and found out that, no, there isn't.
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Why are people so stuck on poise when the game plays great without it? Do people still think From accidentally left it off? Also, if they made poise work how it did before, they'd have to reintroduce medium roll again, else we'll have everyone sitting at 69.9% equip load with high armor, poise, and fast roll. Screw that.
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May 12, 2016 01:07
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YancyQ posted:Their DS2 playthrough where Woolie played and Pat guided him was pretty good but even then there were episodes where Pat would go on long diatribes about how much DS2 sucks and would quote that terrible matthewmatosis video verbatim. It's pretty great in the Dks3 vids, Pat keeps trying to get Woolie to be down on Dks2 and Woolie just no-sells it. Also everyone should watch the episode of their LP where they go through the Carthus Catacombs, its loving great.
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central dogma posted:Why are people so stuck on poise when the game plays great without it? Do people still think From accidentally left it off? Also, if they made poise work how it did before, they'd have to reintroduce medium roll again, else we'll have everyone sitting at 69.9% equip load with high armor, poise, and fast roll. Screw that. When so many items explicitly reference it, and it does nothing, yes, it seems strange. They tell the player in game that poise is a mechanic they should use and value, but it isn't one that functionally exists. They might as well tell us, "this armor adds +3.6 to sick nasty kick flips" for all that it means to the game itself.
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Lotish posted:When so many items explicitly reference it, and it does nothing, yes, it seems strange. They tell the player in game that poise is a mechanic they should use and value, but it isn't one that functionally exists. They might as well tell us, "this armor adds +3.6 to sick nasty kick flips" for all that it means to the game itself. RIP dark wood grain ring, too good for this world
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central dogma posted:Why are people so stuck on poise when the game plays great without it? Do people still think From accidentally left it off? Also, if they made poise work how it did before, they'd have to reintroduce medium roll again, else we'll have everyone sitting at 69.9% equip load with high armor, poise, and fast roll. Screw that. Because it would be nice of this cool Lothric spear had something with a clearly tangible result, instead of a passive buff to your poise stat that only accomplishes either nothing, or ???? Etc. It's not JUST that Player Poise is turned "Off", where getting hit so much as once by literally anything without hyper armor or specialized weapon arts knocks you out of your attack, while fighting PvE enemies who get to tank some hits. It's all the leftovers that were clearly intended to do something, but now, for all intents and purposes, do not. So even if turning off player poise in the files was a last second decision "It's intentional it's off, deal with it", it was a rushed sloppy hack job without any cleanup. If, if, more if, because no clear answer from the people selling or making this game to us what it actually DOES. Beyond "Pffft, it's clearly doing it's job  you just don't get it, and no we're not going to tell you what it does."EDIT: A hearty "gently caress you, we're not turning it on, deal with it" would at least be more straightforward. Compared to vague shrug answers that don't actually clear anything up.
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cheetah7071 posted:RIP dark wood grain ring, too good for this world Pouring out a 15 sip estus.
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central dogma posted:Why are people so stuck on poise when the game plays great without it? Do people still think From accidentally left it off? Also, if they made poise work how it did before, they'd have to reintroduce medium roll again, else we'll have everyone sitting at 69.9% equip load with high armor, poise, and fast roll. Screw that. Obviously a lot of people don't think the game plays great without it. Everything posted about poise + hyper armor in the last few pages is completely baffling and I have no idea how any of it works. There's a clear problem with a mechanic if it is completely incomprehensible to everyone. In the game itself, it's really frustrating to get staggered by absolutely everything no matter what, unless you are using one of the weapons that arbitrarily decides to let you take hits at vague times during swings. Which is not something you can have confidence in.
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central dogma posted:Why are people so stuck on poise when the game plays great without it? Do people still think From accidentally left it off? Also, if they made poise work how it did before, they'd have to reintroduce medium roll again, else we'll have everyone sitting at 69.9% equip load with high armor, poise, and fast roll. Screw that. straight sword spotted
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central dogma posted:Why are people so stuck on poise when the game plays great without it? Do people still think From accidentally left it off? Also, if they made poise work how it did before, they'd have to reintroduce medium roll again, else we'll have everyone sitting at 69.9% equip load with high armor, poise, and fast roll. Screw that.
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If I had known that poise was useless I wouldn't have bothered putting like 37 vitality or whatever. I mean sure, I WANTED to roll around in Dark souls 2 Cover Art armor, with a second weapon and without havel's, but that isn't the point.
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Section Z posted:Supposedly (I have not checked myself) Different talisman's have different amount of "Now you can tank poo poo!" Like, Sunlight talisman is supposed to have a good one, while Saint's talisman is supposed to have a lame one. This is true. Unfaltering Prayer activates two effects. One appears to be the actual glow, the other is the hyper armor. Sunless Talisman for example calls 6940, while Sunlight Talisman calls 6950.
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Sindai posted:It would be nice if there was any gameplay reason to use heavy armor. Heavy armor is cool. Well, there is in the sense that the heavier you are the more hyper armor you (apparently) get. Which means never ever invest in vitality and just lumber around like an elephant on its hind legs.
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Lotish posted:Well, there is in the sense that the heavier you are the more hyper armor you get. Did the tests mention if by "heavy" they meant equip % or weight #? If it's the former then vitality is garbage other than a way to get a trivial amount of extra defense. It would be worth something if 30 weight, no matter what your % is, gave you more moon magic invincibility than 20 weight does.
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Lotish posted:When so many items explicitly reference it, and it does nothing, yes, it seems strange. They tell the player in game that poise is a mechanic they should use and value, but it isn't one that functionally exists. They might as well tell us, "this armor adds +3.6 to sick nasty kick flips" for all that it means to the game itself. That's a fair point. Are we still sure poise does nothing though? I thought there was some evidence it added some amount of hyperarmor to weapon swings, but I'm not sure if that was found through science or pseudoscience.
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Digirat posted:Obviously a lot of people don't think the game plays great without it. Everything posted about poise + hyper armor in the last few pages is completely baffling and I have no idea how any of it works. There's a clear problem with a mechanic if it is completely incomprehensible to everyone. In the game itself, it's really frustrating to get staggered by absolutely everything no matter what, unless you are using one of the weapons that arbitrarily decides to let you take hits at vague times during swings. Which is not something you can have confidence in. Yes you're an idiot baby, we get it.
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The word "poise" has lost all meaning to me now. Thanks, thread. Also this BillmasterCozb posted:
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Lotish posted:They might as well tell us, "this armor adds +3.6 to sick nasty kick flips" for all that it means to the game itself. That's strange, I don't recall Gundyr's armor saying that.
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Digirat posted:Did the tests mention if by "heavy" they meant equip % or weight #? If it's the former then vitality is garbage other than a way to get a trivial amount of extra defense. The tests mentioned that they got more hyper armor based on percentage, but I don't think they tested it at different weight caps--they only explicitly increased weight by equipping ultra greatswords in their spare weapon slots, breaking 100% equip load. I suppose throwing on a havel's to bring the percentage down (maybe swapping swords to keep the weight the same) and testing for differences would be the next step to see if its the percent or the number that matters, but it seems to be tied to the animations, which are affected by the percentage.
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argondamn posted:DkS2 had poise yet another b team mistake imo
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Grondoth posted:straight sword spotted Spiked mace, warden twinblades, or astora greatsword depending on build actually 
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Sergeant_Crunch posted:Do miracle buffs in this game stack? I have a bunch of cool buffs and a sunlight straight sword, but I'm wondering if I can just stack up before a fight and go to town. The sword's spell doesn't stack with sacred oath and removes Tears of Denial.
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I'm pretty sure people are upset about this whole thing because the presence of a stat on your character sheet that does literally nothing/almost literally nothing despite claims by the game and its developers to the contrary in 2016 is unacceptable from a design standpoint. How effective or not poise can be is immaterial to the problem at hand.
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Sick-nasty kickflips not mattering anymore goes hand in hand with equip load not affecting stamina regen below 70%. May as well fashion it up forever because by the end of it you probably have enough sick-nasty kickflips to have hyperarmor work.
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Grondoth posted:The sword's spell doesn't stack with sacred oath and removes Tears of Denial. How about Deep Protection? I'm guessing it probably overwrites it, but I'd like to be sure.
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Eldred posted:Does Greirat gain anything of note if you send him to Lothric? I know he dies, I mean the ashes Exploding and splintering bolts (aka the best bolts). That being said: Wanna meet that Edmond and see his trick weapons.
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On the subject of Greirat, is it even possible to have him come back from the castle alive, and if so what are the conditions?
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The Rokstar posted:On the subject of Greirat, is it even possible to have him come back from the castle alive, and if so what are the conditions? Not possible.
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Dazzling Addar posted:I'm pretty sure people are upset about this whole thing because the presence of a stat on your character sheet that does literally nothing/almost literally nothing despite claims by the game and its developers to the contrary in 2016 is unacceptable from a design standpoint. How effective or not poise can be is immaterial to the problem at hand. It's extremely important to have principles.
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