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TNO posted:You could give cyclists everything they would ever dream of asking for, and they'll still find a reason to complain and not use it. All I really want is to not nearly get murdered on a regular basis.
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A path to literally anywhere worth going that doesn't involve cars whizzing past at 50 mph++ inches from me would be ideal. I don't get how dudes can be like "that paved separated bike path sucks, I'm taking the lane anyway". Having any sort of attempt at a bike lane at all is like 90th percentile in the US, shut the gently caress up and use it so they make more of them.
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May 11, 2016 04:16
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EightBit posted:Cars are scary, but most drivers are in their lanes and paying attention to what is going on.  What strange planet do you live on? I need to go there.
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May 11, 2016 05:27
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Javid posted:A path to literally anywhere worth going that doesn't involve cars whizzing past at 50 mph++ inches from me would be ideal. They'd probably get used more if they weren't just something thrown out to appease cyclists and were actually planned for use. Stuff like forbidding foot traffic, engineered to allow people to travel 30mph safely, minimal blind curves, not made in a flood zone so every time it rains debris needs to be cleared by the city, etc., which is usually missing from bike trail and lane development. This stuff is being built by people that aren't cyclists and/or our input gets ignored. wolrah posted:So, as a cyclist you're saying you're annoyed with sharing a surface with people going significantly slower than your natural speed, who sometimes make themselves hard to pass safely? You say they sometimes move unpredictably and/or don't pay enough attention to the faster moving things around them, even though they could be seriously injured if something went wrong? This is why we need better bike lanes, but hey, keep being smug and all.
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May 11, 2016 06:09
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^^^^^^^^ Bike lanes at the moment are made for cars to get those bikes off the road (as well as checking some boxes). The problem is there is little to no thought about how those lanes will actually be used. This is a real bike lane: https://goo.gl/maps/MEyqjPnGjxB2 Take a look at the garbage cans (which are our city's small models). Is any bike going to be able to safely use that with cars wizzing by? (While not giving 3 feet because apparently white lines are actually huge walls that protect people). This is an actual bike route that is a major route to one of the cities (actually good) bicycle paths to downtown. (It is worth noting that if you look at the map, it looks like there is a bike path a block or two north. That is a lie. There is no path but a levee that if you're caught on you'll be arrested for trespassing. There's also not a path but an unpaved service road loving google.) Javid posted:A path to literally anywhere worth going that doesn't involve cars whizzing past at 50 mph++ inches from me would be ideal. America has found ways to make bike paths more dangerous than the road (lots of blind, unsignaled crossings). An example from Canada (which is not exempt from being murica) https://goo.gl/maps/EqbeWh98rmC2 That sidewalk looking thing is allegedly a bike path. It crosses driveways very few feet and is often obscured by trees. Any car backing out of a driveway or making a turn from Niagara pkwy isn't looking for someone doing 15-20 mph. That is bad, bad design. And all they'd have to do is put it on the other side of the road (and make it wide enough), and it would be a loving bike mecca. Bike lanes are often very bad as they are often way too narrow and encourage cars to pass too close. My city recently unveiled a bike lane that is narrower than many modern mountain bike handlebars. (Feds say a bike lane should 4-5 feet wide, depending on certain factors. 1 foot and a few inches isn't cutting the mustard). Bike lanes also tend to be very narrow strips of road right in the door zone. I would love a dutch style bikeway network, but they're not even loving trying yet. Seriously, when our local park floods in the winter (it is designed to) the alternative bike route from our quite populated northern suburbs to downtown, is, i poo poo you not, Interstate loving 5. nm fucked around with this message at 06:21 on May 11, 2016 |
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May 11, 2016 06:14
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A freeway shoulder is downright luxurious compared to the poo poo they have on most of these roads. But we get a sign!
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May 11, 2016 06:34
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I'd way rather ride down that than pocket road. Yes, i'll be occupying a lane and that will piss people off, but I'm way less likely to be actually hit. Actually, i'd be occupying the lane on pocket road as well and that would piss people off even more. Yes, I'd rather have proper bicycle infrastructure, but poor bicycle infrastructure just makes things worse for everyone.
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May 11, 2016 06:39
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nm posted:This is a real bike lane: https://goo.gl/maps/MEyqjPnGjxB2 False. This is a normal bike lane:  You can have great bike lanes, but everyone will be a huge cock and ride on the sidewalks, or the wrong way down the road, or some such bullshit. The problem isn't the bike lanes.
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May 11, 2016 08:10
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I love cyclist chat. I cycle on the road because round here there's a dozen lanes if that and none of them are actually any sort of length. I recall one morning on the way to work I pulled out onto a fairly large roundabout wayyyyyyyy ahead of traffic (1 car of traffic) and about 30 seconds later he caught up and decided to sit behind me blasting his horn instead of using the other free lane to pass me. With drivers like that on the road you just can't loving win. Everyone on the roads is awful, dangerous and a complete oval office and I loving hate all of you and would have zero issue pressing a big red button if it took out the worst 50%. That button would be broken from how hard and how many times I hit it.
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May 11, 2016 08:36
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88h88 posted:I love cyclist chat. Poor design for a button if it only takes out 50% each time, you'll never be done hitting it.
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May 11, 2016 08:42
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Killstick posted:Poor design for a button if it only takes out 50% each time, you'll never be done hitting it. 
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May 11, 2016 09:01
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Raluek posted:False. This is a normal bike lane: The problem is the bike lanes. https://twitter.com/Nicholas_I_S/status/728502059436277760
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May 11, 2016 10:51
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:The problem is the bike lanes. We have separate bike lanes in my city, and in general they work very well. The only problem is (of course) bicyclists themselves. Pretty much every time I go on a path, I am faced by some retard that thinks riding 2 abreast on a bike lane that is made for 1 bike in each direction is a good idea. There are also people so dumb that they can't stand in line at a red light, but instead go up to the line, and stay in the opposite lane. This of course mean that they look like complete morons when they block the oncoming cyclists (or as in many cases, just force them off to the side). Another thing I see every drat time I ride my bicycle is people not yielding properly. Traffic law here states that vehicles should yield to vehicles coming from the right, unless there are signs that override this rule. I don't think I've ever had a cyclist yield to me properly. But to be fair most car drivers are equally dumb when it comes to this. I pretty much feel like I'm the only cyclist that actually yields (it's the law) to pedestrians crossing streets at a crosswalk. Pedestrians look surprised and wave to thank me, so that's pretty nice. 
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May 11, 2016 12:30
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:The problem is the bike lanes. ... Have you never had this happen to you in a car? Because it happens all the time. I mean, yeah, I would love it if it never happened too, but I would also love a cure for cancer, and a Bugatti, and I don't think either of those are happening either.
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May 11, 2016 15:50
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Karma Monkey posted:Honestly, around here I'm more afraid for them than annoyed by them. The stuff I see people do around bikes, motorcycles, and pedestrians scares the poo poo out of me. I get why people would be annoyed at them, but christ, some of the drivers here seem aggressively, actively, murderously hostile toward them. Killstick posted:Poor design for a button if it only takes out 50% each time, you'll never be done hitting it. e: confused Deeters and Deedle, my sincerest apologies kastein fucked around with this message at 17:33 on May 11, 2016 |
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May 11, 2016 16:23
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kastein posted:Actually you'd only have to hit it 32 times before you'd have 1-2 people left on the planet. True. You'd have to be pretty confident in your driving ability to go that far.
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May 11, 2016 16:48
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Krakkles posted:Is the "problem" here that he can't turn Nah it was that these segregated bike lanes are new for London and are actually working very well at reducing accidents and whatnot, compared to just a bit of paint on the roadway. And they're proving to be a ballache to get installed because the taxi driver unions loving hate them and keep complaining that they're not used 24/7 so are a waste of road space, which leads to the cycling groups winding them up: https://twitter.com/adventuresofrob/status/726094655520161792 https://twitter.com/steinsky/status/729234151438716928 https://twitter.com/adventuresofrob/status/729977718394228736
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May 11, 2016 17:03
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kastein posted:You live near Deeters? I don't know what/where that is, but I'm not a native Marylander. I'm out in Glen Burnie, a shithole located somewhere between Baltimore and D.C. and convenient to Ft. Meade. 
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May 11, 2016 17:09
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Karma Monkey posted:I don't know what/where that is, but I'm not a native Marylander. I'm out in Glen Burnie, a shithole located somewhere between Baltimore and D.C. and convenient to Ft. Meade. everywhere is convenient to ft meade 
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May 11, 2016 17:10
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kastein posted:You live near Deedle?  kastein posted:Actually you'd only have to hit it 32 times before you'd have 1-2 people left on the planet. I'd push it the 33rd time. Philsophical question: would the 34th press kill the last person or not?
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May 11, 2016 18:58
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Anyone who has been to Plymouth knows that the city "planners" hired Jackson Pollock for their road and roundabout markings, but my big bugbear is the cycle lanes down the main route where its 100m of lane, 100 of not, 100 of, repeat. so you end up with cyclists swerving in and out of traffic constantly. Yeah it pisses me off but its not (generally) their fault. The ones cycling up the A38 can gently caress off though, there's gotta be easier ways to commit suicide than that.
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May 11, 2016 19:13
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It's a shame I left before they did. These are the people you park with.
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May 11, 2016 20:19
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May 11, 2016 20:30
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Got behind a standard bro-truck (smoke stack exhaust, "shocker" sticker) with an interesting window decal: "I chew and spit. Do you swallow?" Lovely.
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May 11, 2016 22:34
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So the very first thing that happens in this, with the motorcycles, is not something I've ever seen before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVn1NiHhwBo
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May 12, 2016 06:54
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Road rage is an amazing thing. I'm a very calm and cool person, very polite, if someone bumps me in a crowd or cuts me off in the aisle of a grocery store I'm perfectly patient and forgiving. Even in traffic I slow to let people in and I expect them to do dumb poo poo so it doesn't bother me when they do it (for the most part). But this morning I was in a right turn lane at a red waiting for traffic to clear. A bicyclist rode up behind me and couldn't confidently ride between me and the car to my left so he got off his bike and walked it through the gap, hitting my car with his pedal as he went by. Just so that he could sit at the red light one car length ahead. The light then turned green and we all moved on. As I drove away I got super infuriated at just his basic rudeness and spent the next several minutes fantasizing about how I should have got out and done something back to him like push him over or stomp his rim into a taco, or yell or something. Then I realized I'm an adult human being and we all have to live together, my car is a piece of poo poo so there's no way I could even find which scratch was caused by him, and that I need to get the gently caress over it. The world needs a lot less hostility. But still that primal rage reaction really surprised me. Once again Louis CK sums it up perfectly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8062QEFk5g "When I'm in my car I have a different set of values."
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May 12, 2016 07:01
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The Locator posted:So the very first thing that happens in this, with the motorcycles, is not something I've ever seen before. MY GENITALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS! Reminded me of this except more smoke from the crotch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_cQALVtOlI
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May 12, 2016 09:27
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LloydDobler posted:Road rage is an amazing thing. I'm a very calm and cool person, very polite, if someone bumps me in a crowd or cuts me off in the aisle of a grocery store I'm perfectly patient and forgiving. Even in traffic I slow to let people in and I expect them to do dumb poo poo so it doesn't bother me when they do it (for the most part). I wouldn't flip my poo poo neither, but if I had a car that was in good nick I'd stop the bicyclist. I'm not paying for a respray / insurance just because someone is inconsiderate and selfish with no respect for other peoples stuff. I once had a dude back into my piece of poo poo car while I was in it, he got out, saw what he thought was the damage and looked horrified. He apologized profusely and I just told him not to worry about it, that damage was old, and the car looks scuffed up already. Speaking of chilling out. Not that I ever rage (well at least not in a way that affects my driving), but since started driving a newer car in the city I've chilled out even more. I'd rather take it even more easy and cruise around and never rush. It's so much more enjoyable. Another thing I've noticed is that people seem calmer around new cars. I drove my friends car because she didn't want to once, and people were so aggressive. It was a dirty, dented (but from like 2009), generally in poor condition Skoda. Anecdotal and all, but an interesting observation.
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May 12, 2016 11:22
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Karma Monkey posted:I don't know what/where that is, but I'm not a native Marylander. I'm out in Glen Burnie, a shithole located somewhere between Baltimore and D.C. and convenient to Ft. Meade. Maryland driver! 
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May 12, 2016 13:53
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Is it bad to laugh? http://i.imgur.com/iYkfVGz.gifv
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May 13, 2016 07:25
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Sudo Echo posted:Is it bad to laugh? Not in the least.
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May 13, 2016 07:28
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Sudo Echo posted:Is it bad to laugh? Not honestly finding the humor in a cyclist getting creamed by a semi that crossed through a gore-point to hit him from a turn-only lane?
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May 13, 2016 07:36
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The Locator posted:Not honestly finding the humor in a cyclist getting creamed by a semi that crossed through a gore-point to hit him from a turn-only lane? Cyclist gets on highway. Inevitable happens.
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May 13, 2016 07:41
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Why do motorcycles have to have side mirrors but bikes don't?
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May 13, 2016 08:04
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Killstick posted:Why do motorcycles have to have side mirrors but bikes don't? And why do motorcyclists turn their big heavy helmeted heads around rather than relying entirely upon the side mirrors, when bicyclists expect everybody to follow their lead, stop on a dime and see them at all times, even when the bicycle is where it really doesn't belong outside of controlled Tour De France-like circumstances. We will never goddamn know. But here's the latest on how flies gently caress, thanks science 
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May 13, 2016 10:25
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PCOS Bill posted:Cyclist gets on highway. Inevitable happens. loving idiot proves he shouldnt be on the road yet again. Hand your license back and walk for the rest of your life. Once again thread proves it's the ones with the loudest opinions are the ones who shouldnt be on the loving road. Sudo Echo posted:Is it bad to laugh? Oh a truck pulls a completely illegal lane change from a loving turning lane and creams cyclists who are being 100% legal? That's funny? Pathetic. Really, really pathetic.
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May 13, 2016 11:41
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Sudo Echo posted:Is it bad to laugh? I don't think it's bad to laugh. My father would always say "Where can the big truck driver put his truck? anywhere he wants to!" as a warning to give them a wide berth. Smug cyclist tries to do what he really shouldn't because hey he has the right to do this!. Gets a physics lesson. I don't know maybe it makes me an rear end in a top hat but count me among those who say cyclists don't belong on a roadway where the motorized vehicle speed is 55+mph. Ever. Even if it's legal for them to be there. It wouldn't be an issue if inertia weren't a thing. Stopping distance for a truck is quite a long way. And, if everyone were able to rapidly stop safely, every time. Truck might have been in the turn lane trying to find away around the slow rear end cyclists without slamming on his brakes and flipping his rig. Biker getting over hosed that up maybe? It looks to me like if he had at least stayed where he was the truck might have gotten past him without creaming him. There are a lot of legal things that you can do that are still really, really stupid. Denis Leary - Lock n Load All you assholes who ride bikes in the city: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBmrL8VaTU8 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 13, 2016 12:49
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Why is a cyclist on what appears to be a limited access highway? gently caress that poo poo, whatever happens to you then is your own fault because you shouldn't be there in the first place. I don't care if some deranged person like Deedle runs you down just for fun, it's still your fault because you're doing an incredibly stupid and dangerous thing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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PT6A posted:Why is a cyclist on what appears to be a limited access highway? gently caress that poo poo, whatever happens to you then is your own fault because you shouldn't be there in the first place. I don't care if some deranged person like Deedle runs you down just for fun, it's still your fault because you're doing an incredibly stupid and dangerous thing. The argument in the bikers favor seems to be that he has the right to be doing the incredibly stupid and dangerous thing because the law allows him to, therefore it is his right, regardless how much sense it makes. Seems to be the cyclists version of gently caress You, Got Mine. IMHO.
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It really depends on where it is. Over here I can cycle my bike on A roads if I wanted to, those have a speed limit of up to 60mph and are generally dual carriageways. https://goo.gl/maps/pa7aTRVhMhJ2 The above is an A road not a million miles from my house, it's a 50mph limit dual carriageway and I'm perfectly entitled to use it to ride my bike on. At certain times of the day it's pretty busy and I could quite happily ride faster than the cars move. Most other times though I'd never go near it. I find people cycling down it reasonably often if only because it's a very direct route from the North of the city to the centre... Whether you should cycle on a road like this is entirely down to the individual and if I'm honest I really don't trust other drivers enough to do so. Some people aren't that smart though.
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