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Any heard improvement beyond CD-quality is just psychoacoustics.
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I think my SACD experiences had a lot to do with the hardware and speakers hooked up with it being better than most, but I'm still saying that it sounds really good. Gonna have to disagree with the 128kbps thing though. I think 128 definitely sounds noticeably crappier than a the original disc or a good VBR file.
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May 12, 2016 07:03
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:I think my SACD experiences had a lot to do with the hardware and speakers hooked up with it being better than most, but I'm still saying that it sounds really good. Gonna have to disagree with the 128kbps thing though. I think 128 definitely sounds noticeably crappier than a the original disc or a good VBR file. SACD can carry surround channels and will usually sound better with a proper surround setup. As for stereo, CD quality is already better than the human ear can detect.Most people listen to crummy mp3s because they don't even know what good audio sounds like compared to bad audio and/or have really crappy audio equipment.
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May 12, 2016 08:29
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SACD sometimes sounds better than CD because they use a better master. A CD version of that same master would sound equally as good, but that doesn't sell SACDs. Usually dual-layer SACD+CD version even use different masters for the different layers, to make sure people actually hear a difference. This is purely for marketing reasons, obviously. 128kbps CBR LAME MP3 is actually surprisingly good. Most people will probably be able to hear a difference in a direct comparison with a CD, but it's unlikely they'd notice anything in casual listening. But pretty much no one actually uses 128kbps CBR these days, if anything they're using -V5 VBR, which is ~130kbps average, but can go up to 200+kbps for very demanding sections. Most people won't notice, though, because they're listening through earbuds or on portable Bluetooth speakers, with relatively high background noise.
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May 12, 2016 08:44
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I suppose music machines specifically designed to play background music over and over again are an obsolete and failed technology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WQbJ0VFrFQ I didn't even know 3M made music players.
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May 12, 2016 12:29
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I really wish we'd get decent masters. If people want dynamic range compression it's cheap enough to do it on the fly, let the decoder do it.
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May 12, 2016 12:41
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I keep dreaming of movie audio with separate channels for dialogue and music (and maybe sound effects). I want the same for music as well, but that's even neverer going to happen. But think of all the mash ups! Re-scored movies! Not to mention just setting dialogue to a comfortable level without disturbing the neighbors. Or just watching Law and Order without having to turn off the album you're listening to. Unlike the live dynamic compression, nobody in the industry is asking party though.
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May 12, 2016 13:35
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Tubesock Holocaust posted:I suppose music machines specifically designed to play background music over and over again are an obsolete and failed technology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WQbJ0VFrFQ An anagram of my username is "no to muzak", which I think adequately sums up my feelings on the subject.
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May 12, 2016 13:38
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A service that offered optional SACD-style mixes in CD quality mp3 at a good bitrate should in theory be everything anyone needed, though I guess it wouldn't sell well since most of the target audience wouldn't be interested in anything that "low quality".
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May 12, 2016 15:51
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Tubesock Holocaust posted:I suppose music machines specifically designed to play background music over and over again are an obsolete and failed technology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WQbJ0VFrFQ That thing is awesome! For our hold music, our audio guy that supports our office, converted a pre-amp for a car into a continuous music player. It works awesome and always restarts if the power goes out. It's super cool. It's in a cardboard box on top of our PBX and is the best thing ever. Never fails. It's super ghetto, but never fails to make me smile when I see it.
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May 12, 2016 16:26
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Flipperwaldt posted:I keep dreaming of movie audio with separate channels for dialogue and music (and maybe sound effects). I want the same for music as well, but that's even neverer going to happen. I don't think it would be incredibly difficult with how movies are done nowadays. A ton of dialogue gets re-recorded or only recorded in ADR after filming, especially anything where people are wearing masks or are totally CGI (like everyone in Marvel movies). Same with sound effects, usually because microphones can't pick up sounds correctly or at all or the real sounds don't seem "authentic" in a film (compare a real explosion or gunshot to how it sounds in movies and it's not even in the same ballpark of similarity). You'd have more difficulty with smaller films where everything or almost everything gets recorded on the set, but the big stuff like Marvel already has the majority of sounds being done or redone after the fact.
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May 12, 2016 16:57
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I've mastered a bunch of movies and there usually is a separate M&E (music and effects) mix made of the movie. It makes dubbing easier.
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May 12, 2016 17:21
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I think they meant it's unlikely that the unmixed audio will be made available to the public.
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May 12, 2016 18:14
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The biggest problem is (sound, not bitrate) compression rather than just mix channels from a generic standpoint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war From what I understand, the biggest non-nostalgia reason that vinyl is reported as better than CD is because most use actual sane compression that actually give a big dynamic range, as opposed to CDs which use the same compression intended for FM radio vvv: I hadn't heard that story before, that's hilarious Sentient Data has a new favorite as of 19:59 on May 12, 2016 |
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May 12, 2016 18:48
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Sentient Data posted:The biggest problem is (sound, not bitrate) compression rather than just mix channels from a generic standpoint https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war The funniest story about the Loudness War was Red Hot Chili Peppers' Californication being mastered to duplicate the loudness of songs being played on the radio. When their songs finally reached the radio station, the multiband processor they used to "louden" songs with dynamic range didn't know what to do with a song whose waveform was basically a solid bar, so it squashed the track entirely. On air their debut single ended up sounding quieter than traditionally recorded songs.
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May 12, 2016 19:41
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The worst is seeing a band live and picking up their album and then it sounds like muddy rear end.
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May 12, 2016 21:08
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I was lucky enough to see Antoine Dufour and a few others live a few years ago. I'd thought that their recordings were great, but holy gently caress nothing will ever match just how beautiful the music was live and just how hard the bass can hit your stomach. They had some kind of string instrument that was larger than a cello that they used for some of the bass, and god drat there are no words https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQlyHbu0zz4
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May 12, 2016 21:19
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Brian Wilson recorded in mono and tested all songs on a tiny crappy speaker. He wanted his music to sound good in a 1960s car radio.
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May 12, 2016 21:23
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Sentient Data posted:They had some kind of string instrument that was larger than a cello that they used for some of the bass, and god drat there are no words Are you referring to an upright bass?
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May 12, 2016 21:30
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flosofl posted:Are you referring to an upright bass? lol "some kind of instrument!"
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Maybe, I don't play so I don't know the details at all. They did mention some of their stuff being custom made and had things like triple neck guitars (though AD did all his stuff on regular acoustics like in the video, though a couple may have had extra strings) e: Yeah, whatever, I'm a dum; point was that even with great recordings, there are still ephemeral qualities to live music that it just can't capture. Maybe with incredibly expensive speakers, sure, but I was just offering a counterpoint to muddy recordings compared to live Sentient Data has a new favorite as of 21:36 on May 12, 2016 |
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May 12, 2016 21:34
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axolotl farmer posted:Brian Wilson recorded in mono and tested all songs on a tiny crappy speaker. That's smart.
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May 12, 2016 21:38
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TotalLossBrain posted:lol "some kind of instrument!"
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Last Chance posted:Prick
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May 12, 2016 22:42
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John Big Booty posted:I play that instrument all the time. It's not hard.
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May 12, 2016 23:57
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flosofl posted:Are you referring to an upright bass? One of my favorite parts of rockabilly/psychobilly. 
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axolotl farmer posted:Brian Wilson recorded in mono and tested all songs on a tiny crappy speaker. Brian Wilson is also deaf in one ear.
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May 13, 2016 04:27
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axolotl farmer posted:Brian Wilson recorded in mono and tested all songs on a tiny crappy speaker. http://www.avantonepro.com/Avantone-MixCubes-Full-Range-Mini-Reference-Monitors.html These are used for this exact purpose.
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May 13, 2016 05:21
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Samizdata posted:One of my favorite parts of rockabilly/psychobilly. I saw that bass in person. Nekromantix put on a drat good show.
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May 13, 2016 10:31
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pienipple posted:The worst is seeing a band live and picking up their album and then it sounds like muddy rear end.
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Laserjet 4P posted:http://www.avantonepro.com/Avantone-MixCubes-Full-Range-Mini-Reference-Monitors.html Boomboxes with a line/aux in. Also, check every mix on Apple earbuds ideally played off an iPhone. And the car.
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The Ape of Naples posted:Boomboxes with a line/aux in. Also, check every mix on Apple earbuds ideally played off an iPhone. And the car. It's a very good idea to check your mix based on your probable output device. Most people are gonna be listening in cars or on relatively cruddy little earbuds so it's really important to check your response on those. Anyone listening on anything significantly better is probably gonna be an audiophile and you can usually rely on them to just believe that it's better no matter what. I mean I listen to stuff on a $100 or so set of Sennheisers. I think they do sound noticeably better than some cheaper headphones but mostly it's because the noise isolating foam works and they're comfortable to wear for extended periods of time so y'know.
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May 13, 2016 14:54
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Pilsner posted:Nowhere close as bad as liking a band's CD, hearing them live (real live or on TV/video) for the first time, and realize that the lead singer has a terrible voice. Dave Grohl (not that I'm a fan of Foo Fighters anymore, but I was 15 years ago) just sounds godawful, and so do many other singers. I don't really like live performances in general, partly due to the voice thing, partly because I don't like improvisation when it comes to a good song I like, except a few rare cases. Solution: Only go to death and black metal shows 
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Pilsner posted:Nowhere close as bad as liking a band's CD, hearing them live (real live or on TV/video) for the first time, and realize that the lead singer has a terrible voice. Dave Grohl (not that I'm a fan of Foo Fighters anymore, but I was 15 years ago) just sounds godawful, and so do many other singers. I don't really like live performances in general, partly due to the voice thing, partly because I don't like improvisation when it comes to a good song I like, except a few rare cases. Well, there's also just things totally out of a singer's control. I saw The Birthday Massacre in 2012 and the singer could barely sustain any notes, then ran off stage as soon as her vocals for the last song were done. I later found out that she had some kind of surgery on her throat/vocal chords and decided against canceling the tour even though she shouldn't have been even trying to sing.
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Pilsner posted:I don't really like live performances in general, partly due to the voice thing, partly because I don't like improvisation when it comes to a good song I like, except a few rare cases. Daryl Hall tends to butcher every single song live by dragging out the lyrics.
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Spotify Chat: They have all of the Radiohead albums except "In Rainbows". Which is the one that they released on the web as pay-what-you-want. Meaning you could buy it for $0, and Spotify can't figure out the licensing?  Also: I always felt Dave Grohl's voice was good live, but I can't stand The Red Hot Chili Peppers live. To me they always sound like a high school cover band playing Chili Peppers songs. Also Also: On the subject of music vs sound effects, I like that most games have separate volume levels for sound effects and music, because then I can just put on my own music if I choose.
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BuddyChrist posted:Spotify Chat: They have all of the Radiohead albums except "In Rainbows". Which is the one that they released on the web as pay-what-you-want. Meaning you could buy it for $0, and Spotify can't figure out the licensing? Radiohead didn't want *any* of their albums on Spotify, but "In Rainbows" is one they own entirely, so that's the only one they had any say over. Thom Yorke called Spotify "the last desperate fart of a dying corpse".
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:I saw that bass in person. Nekromantix put on a drat good show. I could only wish, but I couldn't imagine them doing anything else.
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May 13, 2016 17:25
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Imagined posted:Thom Yorke called Spotify "the last desperate fart of a dying corpse". That same statement could be used to describe every Radiohead album after OK Computer.
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spudsbuckley posted:That same statement could be used to describe Radiohead GRINDCORE MEGGIDO has a new favorite as of 22:33 on May 13, 2016 |
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