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Marching Powder posted:Lol. Where's the product you purchased big guy? Are we only allowed to make fun of the people who spent thousands on an autistic man's dream as long as they have not yet cried to the bank that they were taken in by a charismatic con man (lol) and it's not their fault? I gave no money to CIG and I reserve the right to mock backers even after "they cry to the bank" and get a refund. Has has zero bearing on the fact that these are sales as defined by EU law. It also has zero bearing on the fact that your posts are poo poo and you should extrude less of them.
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Ponzi posted:If they can choose the arbitrator, then that's really hosed. Welcome to America, home of the free.
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Ponzi posted:But why do you assume that arbitration would fail? To win, CIG need to demonstrate that they have fulfilled their obligations to the satisfaction of a neutral arbitor, and if they lose you get your money back PLUS financial disclosure. "A neutral arbitrator", give me a break. There's no such thing, the arbitrators are chosen by CIG so they have zero incentive to rule against them otherwise they lose their client. Samt thing with the rating agencies and the bank bonanza of 2008.
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osker posted:Amy (Cloud Imperium Games) They are not only widening the doors and blocking the exits, now they're installing one way foil on the windows so you can't see in while they can see out... tick tick tick tick...
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Ponzi posted:If they can choose the arbitrator, then that's really hosed.
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Star Citizen : We are not trained in law If derek is mod he can change the name of this forum right? Or just thread?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4j25nj/around_the_verse_episode_231/d3313qb  To be fair, I'd start being an obtuse tool too if Toast were my roommate. A Neurotic Jew fucked around with this message at 04:43 on May 13, 2016 |
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In that case I think the film 'Erin Brockovich' is full of poo poo. I bet in real life the plaintiffs lost and PG&E won
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ZenMaster posted:Pros and Cons just refers to the two types of people who work at CIG
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In real life the plaintiffs had to wait months for settlement, the amounts portioned to them weren't based on the damages done to their health, and after the case the attorneys took the arbiters on a Mediterranean cruise. In addition, the secrecy offered by the arbitration process has meant nobody involved in it could take further action against attorneys they felt cheated by or PG&E and 'officially' the company never poisoned an entire town for over a decade. And it didn't even cost them a year's earnings. Ghostlight fucked around with this message at 05:08 on May 13, 2016 |
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I always thought that TOS on software and websites was not too strongly upheld if actually brought to court? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_v._Blockbuster,_Inc. quote:On Douglas’s petition for a writ of mandamus, the Ninth Circuit vacated the district court’s order compelling arbitration, holding that Talk America’s revised contract containing the arbitration clause was not binding on Douglas because Douglas had never agreed to it. Talk America argued that the revised terms were available for Douglas’s review on the Talk America website, but the court rejected this argument. According to the court: phosdex fucked around with this message at 05:15 on May 13, 2016 |
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Rodney-CK posted:Ok. I've never been on Reddit and have no idea how it works. But I'm going to assume it's like a forum that doesn't remove stuff (unless it's down voted apparently?). The way I remember it unfolding was way before INN a lone redditor/citizen named Nehkara (sp?) used to do most of the stuff inn does, but by himself and would post it to r/starcitizen. After a long time (a year maybe?) of that he disappeared for a bit, and when he came back he was with INN but I have no idea where the other guys came from, but at first it was mostly Nehkara content. I always liked him and I think he's a just legit fan just doing what he can for a game he loves, but if there's any public history to be found it would likely be from reading through his old pre-inn threads but obviously that jake guy that runs the digital astrorurfing mercenary corp seems like a slimy douche and where I suspect the cig psyop poo poo comes into play.
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I've been gifted an account with two ships on it. What should I do with it, besides maybe forget that I have it for months, because I already did that
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Lawrence Gilchrist posted:I've been gifted an account with two ships on it. What should I do with it, besides maybe forget that I have it for months, because I already did that Sell them on the grey market asap before prices crash. Take your family out for a couple of nice dinners.
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Risc1911 posted:Sell them on the grey market asap before prices crash. Take your family out for a couple of nice dinners. Then do a chargeback from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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GreyPowerVan posted:Is this game out yet? Nope, Activision just showed SC the door by releasing a COD trailer and interviews outlining what is essentially the same as SQ42 and will be released in November. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeF3UTkCoxY
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Risc1911 posted:Nope, Activision just showed SC the door by releasing a COD trailer and interviews outlining what is essentially the same as SQ42 and will be released in November. Yeah Risc, I do think that trailer did a lot of damage to faith in the project. For all the downvotes it got on YouTube, I think it shocked a lot of backers. Many have held on to the belief that Chris will have all the time he needs to get this right. All the money. And now this? And yet it won't stop with this. There's more coming. The bar will no longer be solely raised by Braben-- it'll be Cod and Mass Effect and more. And given the budget and his promises -- he has to leap over all them at once.
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G0RF posted:Yeah Risc, I do think that trailer did a lot of damage to faith in the project. For all the downvotes it got on YouTube, I think it shocked a lot of backers. Many have held on to the belief that Chris will have all the time he needs to get this right. All the money. And now this? Yeah, with all the releases this year the space game genre is quite saturated and will fill the vacuum SC tried to claim. Looking at the variety of games: mass market cod, classic elite, procedural & innovative NMS, rogue-like everspace the bases are more than covered. This will have consequences for CIG in the long run but i do hope they rush a broken SQ42 as that would be a swift and glorious end.
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Looks like Dowlphin got himself a time out for being a oval office in the hardware section (Pascal gpu's) https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/329425/don-t-be-fooled-by-current-pascal-advertising#latest
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MeLKoR posted:I gave no money to CIG and I reserve the right to mock backers even after "they cry to the bank" and get a refund. Has has zero bearing on the fact that these are sales as defined by EU law. It also has zero bearing on the fact that your posts are poo poo and you should extrude less of them. i'm not contesting that they're sales, i'm lol'ing that they're selling dreams and loads of people itt bought them cry about paypal classifying it as gambling. the people itt whose feelings i hurt are funny, but i don't think you're in any position to reserve the right to laugh at them while you seriously use Advanced Posting Tools. feel free to post back that 'at least i'm not as bad as you' or some other boring poo poo peace!
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phosdex posted:I always thought that TOS on software and websites was not too strongly upheld if actually brought to court? This sounds logical. Hence it wont probably work with CIG. MedicineHut fucked around with this message at 07:07 on May 13, 2016 |
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Thoatse posted:Looks like Dowlphin got himself a time out for being a oval office in the hardware section (Pascal gpu's) can't see it without a login, post some good screencapz for those of us who want to experience dowlphin's downphall
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GreyPowerVan posted:Is this game out yet? yes and it's got hundreds of hours more content than most AAA titles at this stage so it's entirely fair that refunds are no longer accepted
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Marching Powder posted:i'm not contesting that they're sales, i'm lol'ing that they're selling dreams and loads of people itt bought them cry about paypal classifying it as gambling. Friend, you generally don't do your opinions any favors if you voice them drenched in smug self satisfaction and without any attempts at rational argument I get that it's very convenient and comfortable for you to dismiss others' concerns because responding to your lovely posts is inherently ludicrous or whatever, but could you please do it elsewhere? You're obviously disinterested in any honest discussion so your posting here contributes nothing.
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Friend, you generally don't do your opinions any favors if you voice them drenched in smug self satisfaction and without any attempts at rational argument my rational argument is 'it's fair to list buying dreams as gambling'. if you don't agree, i call you a shut-in loser not in touch with reality. i understand that when i'm posting in a thread full of people who literally used real money to purchase dreams my opinions could be considered of no worth but i'm deriving loads of entertainment from it so unfortunately i can't really accommodate you at the moment but this argument's getting long anyway so i foresee it ending really soon just have patience homie
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Wafflz posted:gif 2.5 is on the Public Test Post, please remember your NDAs
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I also sympathize with Paypal or any bank that wants to wash their hands of providing chargebacks over crowd funding disputes. You're dealing hazily-legally-defined transactions over products that don't exist yet and companies that frequently only exist by virtue of selling something that doesn't exist yet. You aren't dealing with John Q merchant that has actual products to sell and an actual reason to cooperate with the chargeback process. You aren't even dealing with Jon Q Fraudster who is obviously a fraud and can be prosecuted. It's pretty much a grey legal quagmire for them, a shithole that will generate endless disputes that will frequently never be resolved. It's not like Paypal invented this piece of poo poo shady funding model, so I don't blame them for thinking 'can we just not deal with this bullshit' PSA: Do not support crowd funding if you don't want to lose your money with little no recourse. Maybe one day someone will put crowd funding on a level where it's regulated and not shady but until then nobody should have to touch this poop and I don't blame them.
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Sometimes you get a good crowdfunded game, though. Like Pillars of Eternity
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GreyPowerVan posted:Sometimes you get a good crowdfunded game, though. Like Pillars of Eternity And sometimes you get that artificial gills thing that lets you breathe underwater like a fish! Amazing technology!
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KiddieGrinder posted:And sometimes you get that artificial gills thing that lets you breathe underwater like a fish! Amazing technology! pfft..that will exist in Star Citizen anyway
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Kakarot posted:pfft..that will exist in Star Citizen anyway I hope CIG releases a PTU crowdfunding update, where different fake companies offer people to back their new in-universe WIP jpeg designs with $$$.
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On the day the sickening and heartbreaking truth becomes apparent and no shitizen can turn his face away any longer, Derek needs to change the title of this thread to Star Citizen - Derek Smart Was Right.
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Marching Powder posted:if you don't agree, i call you a shut-in loser not in touch with reality. that certainly simplifies things
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lazorexplosion posted:I also sympathize with Paypal or any bank that wants to wash their hands of providing chargebacks over crowd funding disputes. You're dealing hazily-legally-defined transactions over products that don't exist yet and companies that frequently only exist by virtue of selling something that doesn't exist yet. You aren't dealing with John Q merchant that has actual products to sell and an actual reason to cooperate with the chargeback process. You aren't even dealing with Jon Q Fraudster who is obviously a fraud and can be prosecuted. It's pretty much a grey legal quagmire for them, a shithole that will generate endless disputes that will frequently never be resolved. It's not like Paypal invented this piece of poo poo shady funding model, so I don't blame them for thinking 'can we just not deal with this bullshit' Nah. A decision to not accept any payments to crowdfunding campaigns I could respect, but why should they exclude any and all crowdfunding endeavors from rules which they apply in all other cases? It seems to disregard a lot of concerns such as if it's got a release date, if it's a physical or digital product, the recipient has been convicted of fraud or whatever. Having a blanket crowdfunding exception, to me, seems just weirdly balanced toward loving the backers Marching Powder posted:my rational argument is 'it's fair to list buying dreams as gambling'. if you don't agree, i call you a shut-in loser not in touch with reality. i understand that when i'm posting in a thread full of people who literally used real money to purchase dreams my opinions could be considered of no worth but i'm deriving loads of entertainment from it so unfortunately i can't really accommodate you at the moment but this argument's getting long anyway so i foresee it ending really soon just have patience homie No, your argument was that  "giving money to 'some guy' for 'some dream' is loving stupid and bank or no bank nobody should have to return money to that retard. it's the life lesson of getting grifted for the shut-in. it's a good thing."...so people getting defrauded have only themselves to blame and that the scammer is providing some benefit to society - which only makes sense to the kinda captains of industry that live atop an ivory tower in their parents' basement. But I guess having touch with reality is what separates us, that I can fully agree with
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Welcome to the