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If Bill Clinton was the "first" black president does this make Obama the first gay one?
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May 13, 2016 14:00
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hhhat posted:I know that lol nothing matters and etc but really, this poo poo is having an impact on Republicans. Not the MERICA gently caress YEAH base but the milquetoast 'we voted for Jeb/Marco/Kasich' folks I know won't be voting for Trump. The National Review types who don't know their ideas are actually trash and still manage to vote Republican are stuck without someone to vote for and the more stuff like this comes out the less likely they're going to go FULL R in November. Dunno what percentage they are and sure anecdotes but whatever there's some lifelong Republicans out there already out of the game this go around. They won't be voting Clinton because LIBERALS but they also won't vote Trump. Meanwhile sure the biker klan frat power types are excited, but there aren't that loving many of them. Not enough to win a national election. And I get a warm fuzzy when I hear these guys at work talk poo poo about their party's candidate. Didn't happen with Mittens. Or McCain. Or Bush 2. But Trump, they're like 'hey you're a liberal right? isn't this guy terrible?' I can't be the only one seeing this. You're not. But literally every election leftist folks fall for the Silent Majority bullshit, as if there's a cabal of died in the wool conservatives who will emerge from the aether on election day and vote straight-ticket R. McCain was going to pull it out somehow, Romney was going to beat Obama through the unstoppable white vote, and now Trump is polling within the MoE of Clinton in one poll five months before half the country has given even one thought to the election. The sky is falling, woe is us.
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May 13, 2016 14:01
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His Purple Majesty posted:If Bill Clinton was the "first" black president does this make Obama the first gay one? By the same metric, sure, but it's weird to see people still framing "gay" as a pejorative.
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May 13, 2016 14:05
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Munkeymon posted:It's much more likely that a lovely, abusive parent would refuse to certify their child's chosen gender identity. That's definitely true, and honestly a larger concern than the hypotheticals about creepy teens. Overall something substantial needs to be done for trans kids(and other LGBT youth) with unaccepting parents. I'm not sure what exactly but an alternative to "just wait it out" is clearly needed.
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May 13, 2016 14:07
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FAUXTON posted:By the same metric, sure, but it's weird to see people still framing "gay" as a pejorative. About 600 terrible political cartoons have done this, and yeah, it's always with "gay" being "bad" somehow.
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May 13, 2016 14:08
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Inferior Third Season posted:the main line of enforcement of policies are school employees, who might very well interpret this new mandate as allowing everyone to use whatever bathroom they want at all times. I'm not sure why you assume school employees are so uniquely stupid as to all interpret this policy in this uniquely stupid way. E: VVV But why are they the ones who will misinterpret this policy as opposed to, say, a mid-level Target manager with a GED? WampaLord fucked around with this message at 14:14 on May 13, 2016 |
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May 13, 2016 14:09
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WampaLord posted:I'm not sure why you assume school employees are so uniquely stupid as to all interpret this policy in this uniquely stupid way. Have you ever interacted with a school administrator?
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May 13, 2016 14:12
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His Purple Majesty posted:Have you ever interacted with a school administrator? Yes and while many of them are lazy and want to take the least effort solution the real unifying characteristic of most of them I've encountered is that they will gently caress over any student without hesitation if it means that they won't have to deal with an angry parent. There's no way they would just implement a "wherever you want" policy because that is guaranteed to generate angry calls and meetings. If they did I would expect the actual implementation to be that two formerly gendered single person bathrooms on the other side of the gym will become unisex.
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May 13, 2016 14:39
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Litany Unheard posted:You're not. But literally every election leftist folks fall for the Silent Majority bullshit, as if there's a cabal of died in the wool conservatives who will emerge from the aether on election day and vote straight-ticket R. "Died" is the right word to use for them now.
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May 13, 2016 14:43
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WampaLord posted:I'm not sure why you assume school employees are so uniquely stupid as to all interpret this policy in this uniquely stupid way. Who said anything about stupid? There's plenty of bigoted school officials that would allow it so they can point out how evil Obama/transpeople is.
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May 13, 2016 14:48
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Yeesh, Trump's butler keeps digging himself in a deeper and deeper hole. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the probable white supremacist/nutjob tree for Trump? quote:Donald Trump's longtime butler Anthony Senecal told NBC News Thursday that he thinks President Barack Obama should be "hung ... from the portico of the White Mosque — it used to be the White House."
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May 13, 2016 14:49
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hhhat posted:I know that lol nothing matters and etc but really, this poo poo is having an impact on Republicans. Not the MERICA gently caress YEAH base but the milquetoast 'we voted for Jeb/Marco/Kasich' folks I know won't be voting for Trump. The National Review types who don't know their ideas are actually trash and still manage to vote Republican are stuck without someone to vote for and the more stuff like this comes out the less likely they're going to go FULL R in November. Dunno what percentage they are and sure anecdotes but whatever there's some lifelong Republicans out there already out of the game this go around. They won't be voting Clinton because LIBERALS but they also won't vote Trump. Meanwhile sure the biker klan frat power types are excited, but there aren't that loving many of them. Not enough to win a national election. And I get a warm fuzzy when I hear these guys at work talk poo poo about their party's candidate. Didn't happen with Mittens. Or McCain. Or Bush 2. But Trump, they're like 'hey you're a liberal right? isn't this guy terrible?' I can't be the only one seeing this. Just to add my anecdotal evidence to this, I have 2 conservative friends I've talked to about this. One is a business first libertarian and the other a fundie bible thumper and both of them hate trump (they were rubio and carson supporters, respectively). Whether that means they suck it up and vote for him in the general or actually go looking for 3rd party options as claimed, nobody knows.
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May 13, 2016 14:51
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duz posted:Who said anything about stupid? There's plenty of bigoted school officials that would allow it so they can point out how evil Obama/transpeople is. The bigoted ones who are the ones that are super pissed about men going into women's bathrooms, though?  They're going to to allow any guy to go into any bathroom just to make Obama/transpeople look bad?
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May 13, 2016 14:52
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If the bible thumper friend who supported Carson doesn't feel betrayed by Carson supporting Trump and being on his VP committee, then he needs a hard slap in the back of the head.
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May 13, 2016 14:53
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Bible thumpers are into S&M though so that won't work.
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May 13, 2016 14:58
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Party Plane Jones posted:Yeesh, Trump's butler keeps digging himself in a deeper and deeper hole. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the probable white supremacist/nutjob tree for Trump? Basically, the butler is Palpatine, Trump is Anakin, and we are all the jedi about to be wiped out in horrific violence.
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May 13, 2016 15:06
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WampaLord posted:The bigoted ones who are the ones that are super pissed about men going into women's bathrooms, though?
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May 13, 2016 15:12
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Excerpts from the newly proposed Texas Republican Party Platform:Texas GOP platform posted:Employment Non-Discrimination Act and Laws - We oppose government regulations that coerce business owners and employees to violate their own consciences, beliefs, and principles.
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May 13, 2016 15:18
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Inferior Third Season posted:Bigoted men are currently going into women's bathrooms to "check" for transexuals, so yes? This is definitely similar to a school administrator implementing a policy that would get them shitcanned almost immediately.
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May 13, 2016 15:20
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So it looks like the bathroom bill was a bunch of dickbags going into a state other than their own, doing their level best to turn it into a bigoted hellhole, and then watching as the government retaliated by stomping on the state they ruined. Any way to more personally hurt the people who came up with it? I feel that the state of North Carolina is kind of a victim here.
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May 13, 2016 15:24
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This was all part of Bill Clinton's vision for a better America. You were warned in 1992. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJhhKwWhWo
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May 13, 2016 15:26
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Darth Walrus posted:So it looks like the bathroom bill was a bunch of dickbags going into a state other than their own, doing their level best to turn it into a bigoted hellhole, and then watching as the government retaliated by stomping on the state they ruined. Any way to more personally hurt the people who came up with it? I feel that the state of North Carolina is kind of a victim here. Anti choice abortion laws work the same way.
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May 13, 2016 15:28
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Darth Walrus posted:So it looks like the bathroom bill was a bunch of dickbags going into a state other than their own, doing their level best to turn it into a bigoted hellhole, and then watching as the government retaliated by stomping on the state they ruined. Any way to more personally hurt the people who came up with it? I feel that the state of North Carolina is kind of a victim here. Elections have consequences. If those elections were representative of the people is still a reasonable question. It has been supposed that NC has been electing carpet baggers, but evidently someone liked their policies.
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May 13, 2016 15:29
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Litany Unheard posted:You're not. But literally every election leftist folks fall for the Silent Majority bullshit, as if there's a cabal of died in the wool conservatives who will emerge from the aether on election day and vote straight-ticket R. I'll admit I had a serious moment of weakness in the summer of 2012 when that Chick-Fil-a poo poo was blowing up and white people were lining up out the door to buy their lovely chicken as a sign of anti-gay solidarity. I really thought they might have had the energy to beat a President leading a weak economy and championing an unpopular healthcare overhaul. Turns out it was easier to buy chicken than to vote.
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May 13, 2016 15:37
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Party Plane Jones posted:Yeesh, Trump's butler keeps digging himself in a deeper and deeper hole. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the probable white supremacist/nutjob tree for Trump? Somewhere, in a Cuban brothel, Rush Limbaugh nods in satisfaction. "Yesssss, go forth and spread your hate. Let it flow through you."
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May 13, 2016 15:39
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RuanGacho posted:Elections have consequences. If those elections were representative of the people is still a reasonable question. It has been supposed that NC has been electing carpet baggers, but evidently someone liked their policies. it's certainly because a majority of NC residents are assholes who wanted it and not because of gerrymandering nosiree http://www.ncleg.net/representation/WhoRepresentsMe.aspx oh wait
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May 13, 2016 15:48
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MC Nietzche posted:I'll admit I had a serious moment of weakness in the summer of 2012 when that Chick-Fil-a poo poo was blowing up and white people were lining up out the door to buy their lovely chicken as a sign of anti-gay solidarity. I really thought they might have had the energy to beat a President leading a weak economy and championing an unpopular healthcare overhaul. Turns out it was easier to buy chicken than to vote. Was there any actually data on how much that amounted to in terms of sales? The media loves to pretend that right wing movements are huge when in actuality like ten guys show up with lawn chairs and are carefully photographed to mask that fact.
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May 13, 2016 15:48
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His Purple Majesty posted:If Bill Clinton was the "first" black president does this make Obama the first gay one? probably yea, but like said since so many see 'gay' as an insult and unlike 'black' where it was super clear 'yea no poo poo Bill Clinton isn't actually black' there are genuinely people who believe Obama is some kinda secret gay, we can't really use that nickname
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May 13, 2016 15:55
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Slate Action posted:Excerpts from the newly proposed Texas Republican Party Platform: You ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait until July, when the Cruzites get to write the national platform.
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May 13, 2016 15:55
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ComradeCosmobot posted:You ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait until July, when the Cruzites get to write the national platform. Trump doesn't give a gently caress about what's on the official GOP platform. In his mind, the platform is whatever comes out of his mouth at any given moment. As a result, I wonder if he'll just leave the writing of the thing to others and Cruz will sneak a bunch of stuff in.
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May 13, 2016 15:58
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hhhat posted:it's certainly because a majority of NC residents are assholes who wanted it and not because of gerrymandering nosiree Of note: take a look at US House District 12, which drives down I-85 gobbling black neighborhoods as it goes (it used to extend all the way to Durham, another 2 hours of driving). And district 4, which is so terrified of accidentally incorporating a single conservative voter that it becomes narrow enough to through a baseball over (it's less wide than the Cape Fear river).
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May 13, 2016 15:58
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Party Plane Jones posted:Yeesh, Trump's butler keeps digging himself in a deeper and deeper hole. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the probable white supremacist/nutjob tree for Trump? Hitler and Goebbels were right. Tell a big enough lie and keep telling it often enough and it becomes truth for people. It's pretty amazing how the far Right news/talk radio echo chamber has managed to spin so hard and so fast that people are literally convinced that Obama is an evil Kenyan Muslim usurper tyrant while Hillary Clinton - soon to be convicted traitor any day now - literally ordered the deaths at Benghazi and betrayal of Ambassador Stevens and personally garroted Vilerat from the back based on no evidence with even the slightest connection to reality. I'm sure some scientist or chemist somewhere would appreciate the high-velocity centrifuge used for this kind of spinning put to better use.
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May 13, 2016 16:00
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Inferior Third Season posted:I'm a bit torn on this. If there is one group in the world that can make the Republican bathroom horror fantasies come true, it's American high school boys. The combination of teenage idiocy and incompetent school administrations could put together the conditions for boys to just start going into girls' bathrooms and harassing them. A few stories will get out about boomers' daughters being bothered by "transexuals" in their schools' bathrooms, and this could turn very ugly. It's really only a problem because of the 'controversy'. Transgender people have been using bathrooms for thousands of years and for the most part nobody gave a gently caress. Now that it's a constructed wedge issue for the election it's on everybody's mind. In the last month or so I've had several (cis) friends get harrased by creepy conservative men in the restroom (or just outside) because they didn't look 'feminine' enough. Every one of them that was on the fence with this issue is now firmly on the side of transgender rights. High school students are always idiots, but it's not permissable to discriminate just because some people may be jerks. Bathrooms have a long history of discrimination in the US (even women had to fight to get public accomodations at all). Bathrooms are required to particiate in public life, so restrictions on bathroom usage are restrictions on existing in public. It can be even worse for transgender women in the US because the most commonly prescribed anti-androgen is also a diuretic, and not having safe bathroom access can cause serious dehydration and/or bladder issues. Shimrra Jamaane posted:I wonder if we're going to see another George Wallace blocking the doorway moment somewhere in the South (probably North Carolina). God I hope Obama uses the feds to enforce this if he has to. I'm just glad it's North Carolina and not Alabama. We already had Wallace, and we already have our hands full with an impeachment investigation for our governor and the 2nd loving time the chief justice is being forcibly removed. Maybe our corruption & racism/bigotry quota was full and it just had to carryover into NC. MC Nietzche posted:I'll admit I had a serious moment of weakness in the summer of 2012 when that Chick-Fil-a poo poo was blowing up and white people were lining up out the door to buy their lovely chicken as a sign of anti-gay solidarity. I really thought they might have had the energy to beat a President leading a weak economy and championing an unpopular healthcare overhaul. Turns out it was easier to buy chicken than to vote. To be fair: it's good fast food chicken (and waffle fries). Voting just causes hopelessness and cynicism.
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May 13, 2016 16:01
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AbsoluteLlama posted:
Make your own food without supporting garbage trashbabies. http://www.seriouseats.com/2012/07/the-food-lab-how-to-make-a-chick-fil-a-sandwich-at-home.html
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May 13, 2016 16:07
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RuanGacho posted:Elections have consequences. If those elections were representative of the people is still a reasonable question. It has been supposed that NC has been electing carpet baggers, but evidently someone liked their policies. But nevermind those elections were held in off years with rank voter suppression,
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May 13, 2016 16:08
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Dubstep Jesus posted:This is definitely similar to a school administrator implementing a policy that would get them shitcanned almost immediately. Look, there's no need to be so obtuse over this. There are tons and ton of school administrators all over the country, right? Don't we, every year, hear stories about how some chucklefuck did something stupid or lovely in the name of running a school? So it doesn't seem all that unlikely that we'll hear a story along those lines regarding this specific issue that gets blown way out of proportion. It's not a slight against all school administrators. Quit being obtuse, this is a dumb argument.
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May 13, 2016 16:08
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theflyingorc posted:Of note: take a look at US House District 12, which drives down I-85 gobbling black neighborhoods as it goes (it used to extend all the way to Durham, another 2 hours of driving). And district 4, which is so terrified of accidentally incorporating a single conservative voter that it becomes narrow enough to through a baseball over (it's less wide than the Cape Fear river). I pray for a miracle D sweep that immediately passes a hard law about gerrymandering that mandates computer generated districts so nobody can draw one, have it work for a year while it gets eventually overruled, and then get elected anyway in the meantime. And then we get the SCOTUS so it survives the ten billion challenges. And then I can stop being represented by whoever the OORAHs in Fort Bragg think will kill the most brown people even though I live in the suburbs two loving hours away. For this I will dance on the street corner wearing a Hillary cosplay in November
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May 13, 2016 16:12
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hhhat posted:I pray for a miracle D sweep that immediately passes a hard law about gerrymandering that mandates computer generated districts so nobody can draw one, have it work for a year while it gets eventually overruled, and then get elected anyway in the meantime. And then we get the SCOTUS so it survives the ten billion challenges. And then I can stop being represented by whoever the OORAHs in Fort Bragg think will kill the most brown people even though I live in the suburbs two loving hours away. Democrats care about gerrymandering when we're out of power.
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May 13, 2016 16:14
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hhhat posted:I pray for a miracle D sweep that immediately passes a hard law about gerrymandering that mandates computer generated districts so nobody can draw one, have it work for a year while it gets eventually overruled, and then get elected anyway in the meantime. And then we get the SCOTUS so it survives the ten billion challenges. And then I can stop being represented by whoever the OORAHs in Fort Bragg think will kill the most brown people even though I live in the suburbs two loving hours away. In the Republican's defense, the reason gerrymandering was so easy for NC Republicans is that the state had been controlled for so long by a Democratic party that was happily using gerrymandering as much as they could. If the Democrats had been ethical about districting in the first place we wouldn't be in this mess. (This mess being a situation where they were able to lump in enough rural counties to turn Asheville, "the San Francisco of the South", red)
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May 13, 2016 16:17
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I mean, I think nationally congress would be well-served by passing a bill that mandated computer drawn districts reviewed by courts -- but self-interest will keep that from ever happening.
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May 13, 2016 16:19
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