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AgentJotun posted:The scene re: Stannis death But they forgot to burn his body so he's going to come back as a wight and conquer the seven kingdoms one way or another. Can't stop the mannis!
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LadyPictureShow posted:Can somebody explain why these GoT nerds are trying to crowdfund $20 million dollars to redo the Dorne portion of the plot? I've never read the books and the Dorne parts of the show were really, really bad. They were poorly written, poorly acted, poorly choreographed, character actions made no sense, and they had very little relevance to anything else happening on the show except as a way to get Jaime out of King's Landing so that Cersei could run wild. Then some book people came along and said that a) Dorne was way better in the books; and b) Jaime has other plots outside of King's Landing in the books that they could have done instead to get him out of Cersei's way. Dorne is/was/will be bad.
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May 13, 2016 16:07
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In this rare instance it's actually both
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May 13, 2016 16:25
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Book readers have been mocking the book version of Dorne for years now, all of this reeks of rose tinted revisionism. It was better than the show version but even more disconnected from the rest of the story and very uneventful.
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May 13, 2016 16:47
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It's better in the books but still pretty lovely. At least the show version had God-tier tits.
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Kevyn posted:It's better in the books but still pretty lovely. At least the show version had God-tier tits. I thought Alexandra Daddario was in true detective?
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May 13, 2016 16:54
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Zaphod42 posted:
I don't remember any of the important plot points from Branns boring arc such as whenever gently caress they lost Rickon, but I will remember this til the day I die.
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May 13, 2016 17:06
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Sickening posted:I thought Alexandra Daddario was in true detective? Not quite Daddarian but the Sand Snake chick edged Nicky Sobotkas girlfriend out of the #2 spot. It's been a rough couple of years for her after nearly 10 years as the uncontested Heavyweight Breast Objects Champion
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May 13, 2016 17:34
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vyelkin posted:I've never read the books and the Dorne parts of the show were really, really bad. They were poorly written, poorly acted, poorly choreographed, character actions made no sense, and they had very little relevance to anything else happening on the show except as a way to get Jaime out of King's Landing so that Cersei could run wild. Then some book people came along and said that a) Dorne was way better in the books; and b) Jaime has other plots outside of King's Landing in the books that they could have done instead to get him out of Cersei's way. idk man. Before reading posts on the internet about how bad Dorne was I didn't really think twice about it. Everything up to this point from a plot standpoint makes sense and really isn't bad. Maybe the execution could've been better? But I'm not sitting here watching slowed down gifs of their fight with Jamie and Bronn to distract myself from the fact that GRRM is really never releasing another book like most virgin shitlords that obsess over the bad pussy line.
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May 13, 2016 17:38
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Dorne in the books aren't so much bad but super duper loving duper long winded with little pay off. Like, more so than anything else. If he had a real editor and pared it down it could be interesting because things do move along eventually. But who knows? It might just be the pacing of ADWD. If I read only the Martell / Dorne chapters straight through without other PoVs chopping it up it might be interesting and paced well.
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May 13, 2016 17:46
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vyelkin posted:I've never read the books and the Dorne parts of the show were really, really bad. They were poorly written, poorly acted, poorly choreographed, character actions made no sense, and they had very little relevance to anything else happening on the show except as a way to get Jaime out of King's Landing so that Cersei could run wild. Then some book people came along and said that a) Dorne was way better in the books; and b) Jaime has other plots outside of King's Landing in the books that they could have done instead to get him out of Cersei's way. anybody who says that dorne in the books is good is completely full of poo poo i guess you could make a case that it's "better" but still e: i recall one person complaining about how the show took the "amazing" character of areo "the camera that rides" hotah and making him a nothing character and that's why i have trouble take criticisms from book readers seriously romanowski fucked around with this message at 17:53 on May 13, 2016 |
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May 13, 2016 17:49
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Dear Sergio posted:idk man. Before reading posts on the internet about how bad Dorne was I didn't really think twice about it. Everything up to this point from a plot standpoint makes sense and really isn't bad. Maybe the execution could've been better? But I'm not sitting here watching slowed down gifs of their fight with Jamie and Bronn to distract myself from the fact that GRRM is really never releasing another book like most virgin shitlords that obsess over the bad pussy line. Not having read the books, I thought Dorne was fine if a little weird until that fight with Jaime and Bronn and the Sand Snakes and that fight was really bad and it threw me for a loop and then every other scene after that was also really bad and then I was like "wow Dorne was really bad." e: oh poo poo I forgot about the scene where the sand snakes kill the ship captain, that comes before the terrible fight scene and was insanely dumb, that was probably the moment I was like "wtf is going on here???"
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May 13, 2016 17:54
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That DICK! posted:Stannis faked his death and is now managing a Cinnabun in Nebraska "Extra large? You'll have a large or I'll destroy you. The extra large Cinnabons are mine by rights."
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May 13, 2016 17:59
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So in case people want to  some more about the Tower of Joy fight, here's a review by a historian and historical combat recreator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drd8dQKr-oYtl;dw: It got less things wrong than you'd think, and was overall pretty solid even from a  perspective.
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May 13, 2016 18:10
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It was a cool scene, the only problem was that guy dual wielding, it looks extremely silly.
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May 13, 2016 18:26
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marktheando posted:It was a cool scene, the only problem was that guy dual wielding, it looks extremely silly. Schola Gladiatoria has a really interesting video analyzing the fight and some of the dumb stuff about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drd8dQKr-oY
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May 13, 2016 18:40
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the main plot beats of the Dorne thing aren't too bad... Jaime and Bronn steal into Dorne, get busted, the moderate Dorne ruler appeases them and gets iced for it. The writing and execution was all pretty hackneyed though
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May 13, 2016 18:43
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romanowski posted:i guess you could make a case that it's "better" but still I've got one word for anyone arguing this: Darkstar
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Fast Luck posted:the main plot beats of the Dorne thing aren't too bad... Jaime and Bronn steal into Dorne, get busted, the moderate Dorne ruler appeases them and gets iced for it. The writing and execution was all pretty hackneyed though The biggest problem is that the assassination of Doran and Trystane should have been in the season five finale. Especially IF that's the one and only time that we're checking in with the Dorne plot this season. It would be like if Bran getting to the tree and Jojen dying were in the season 5 premiere instead of the season 4 finale.
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COOL CORN posted:Schola Gladiatoria has a really interesting video analyzing the fight and some of the dumb stuff about it This is a bunch of nerdy nitpicking and I love it  I like that he points out that "Florentine-style" is hilariously stupid and fake too. Although then after nitpicking on two swords being bad, he says that some Bolognese people used it in a duel so its okay with Arthur Dayne, which I kinda disagree with but we've beat that dead horse already. Other good nitpicking though like sticking his sword in the ground.
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Perestroika posted:So in case people want to If you watch this then holy poo poo go outside and live your life
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May 13, 2016 19:16
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AAA DOLFAN posted:If you watch this then holy poo poo go outside and live your life So of us have to do something at work besides analyze the dolphins past failures.
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May 13, 2016 19:42
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This is how the book did the Tower of Joy scene, in case anyone wants to know. It's from the first book. We were expecting this back in Season 1.Book posted:“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them. Which do you prefer? Show posted:Lord Stark.
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May 13, 2016 20:00
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Neither is particularly good.
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May 13, 2016 20:12
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The book one goes on and loving on. That's my view of the books generally though.
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May 13, 2016 20:13
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the second one. none of this anime shadow sword poo poo.
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May 13, 2016 20:15
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It's good dialogue for the page, considerably harder to actually say out loud on the show without it being stilted. Besides, we needed that time to show Tyrion in a room doing literally nothing
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May 13, 2016 20:17
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quote:I wish you good fortune in the wars to come. Echos Mance's final words to Stannis; not sure what that means though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyjO75eQ_2Y&t=365s
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May 13, 2016 20:29
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Maarak posted:Echos Mance's final words to Stannis; not sure what that means though. It means "you may beat me now but you're probably gonna die"  Although on a long enough time scale that's true of everybody.
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May 13, 2016 20:44
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BabyFur Denny posted:the second one. none of this anime shadow sword poo poo. The book version is a part of a dream sequence, Ned notes how he doesn't even remember the faces of his comrades which he swore he'd never forget, that's why they're shadows and why Dayne is this angelic figure.
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May 13, 2016 20:45
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Yo I know Ned is pretty honorable and poo poo but gently caress you'd think he'd snap one day and tell Cate to gently caress off with all that Jon Snow bullshit, because why put himself and Cate through that poo poo when he's not even his son. At this point, I hope his mother is Martel so at least there's a loving reason we're showing anything to do with Dorne.
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AAA DOLFAN posted:If you watch this then holy poo poo go outside and live your life The nerd self loathing is starting to get real loving old in this thread. gently caress off. tooterfish fucked around with this message at 20:55 on May 13, 2016 |
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Doctor Butts posted:Yo I know Ned is pretty honorable and poo poo but gently caress you'd think he'd snap one day and tell Cate to gently caress off with all that Jon Snow bullshit, because why put himself and Cate through that poo poo when he's not even his son. "Promise me, Ned" is the last thing Lyanna tells him, the promise surely had something to do with Jon but we don't know what, when the dream sequence ends Ned thinks about "promises unfulfilled". He probably had a good reason to keep Cat out of the loop but nobody knows what it was. Thankfully D&D are probably gonna reveal the answer to that question within the next couple of months.
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One thing I learned from that video was the proper name for studded leather, which is apparently 'coat of plates'. In D&D and RPGs you often get studded leather as a go-between for leather armor and proper plate armor, but studded armor is a "myth" in that studs add nothing to the real protection of leather. But the whole thing is just a misnomer because the studs are part of the construction that allows for pockets of plate which does add protection. Cool. Although, googling 'coat of plates' that seems to refer to something else rather than the studded leather pockets that Ned Stark was wearing, so maybe he was thinking of something else? Or maybe the term refers to both? According to Wikipedia that's actually called a "jack of plates" or "Brigandine". I wonder why everybody calls it "studded leather" instead. Still surprised he overall liked it though. Its like he was so happy just to see people get stabbed instead of slashed that he overlooked all his own complaints about how unrealistic some of the stabs were. (I guess I the show writers would consider it too "dishonorable" to stab somebody through the armpit, even though poo poo like that is absolutely how real combat went down) tooterfish posted:Yeah. It's okay to watch a TV show about what some fat American thought the middle ages were like, but if you take an interest in the actual real middle ages oh god you're such a loving dweeb get a life. Its a problem with this whole forum. You can be really into something but you better not actually express interest or admiration for that thing or a bunch of other goons will tell you how uncool you are for it and how cool they are for ironic posting instead.  Even though they're into it just as much as you are.
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tooterfish posted:Yeah. It's okay to watch a TV show about what some fat American thought the middle ages were like, but if you take an interest in the actual real middle ages oh god you're such a loving dweeb get a life. A nerd with out shame is no true nerd. I think the issue is more that there isn't much of a point going all MAH REALZISM when talking about a fantasy TV show.
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    http://twistedsifter.com/2016/05/nicolas-cage-game-of-thrones-photoshop/
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Xae posted:I think the issue is more that there isn't much of a point going all MAH REALZISM when talking about a fantasy TV show. This argument is just as equally dumb, and comes up anytime somebody tries to argue a plot hole in Harry Potter or Game of Thrones "Its fantasy! there's dragons!" Just because Harry Potter has time travel and magic doesn't mean you get to just ignore when suddenly that time travel makes no sense. A plot hole is a plot hole. Okay, but everything else still operates like in our world, and it should be internally consistent. If GRRM starts writing scenes where metal only weighs as much as a feather and has wildly different properties than metal in our world, sure. Especially if he calls it "mithril" or something. If you're talking about steel, and its described as solid and heavy and exactly like the steel we know about, and he's drawing on elements of the war of the roses and medieval European history, then its safe to assume they operate like in our world, and then using them inconsistently is a plot hole. If you don't care about the consistency you can just ignore it, but please stop telling other people not to care "because its fantasy". That's dumb. I have no problem with Brienne cutting right through somebody's sword because she has a semi-magic Valyrian blade. But its already been established that most people do NOT have those, most people have common steel swords, and we know that common steel swords can't just cut through plate armor like paper, so if you're not Brienne or using one of the other Valyrian blades, then you shouldn't be able to. If you can, it contradicts the fact that valyrian blades work different than normal blades which the show itself established. Cage of Thrones or Game of Cage? 
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Zaphod42 posted:Still surprised he overall liked it though. Its like he was so happy just to see people get stabbed instead of slashed that he overlooked all his own complaints about how unrealistic some of the stabs were. (I guess I the show writers would consider it too "dishonorable" to stab somebody through the armpit, even though poo poo like that is absolutely how real combat went down) I actually thought it was really refreshing for one of these types of videos to have an opinion along the lines of "yeah there's some stuff in here that isn't perfectly accurate, but they obviously made the effort and at the end of the day the show's job is to entertain, not be 100% accurate to the realities of medieval combat."
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Gotta admit, at first I thought the Stannis one hadn't been photoshopped at all.
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Sydin posted:I actually thought it was really refreshing for one of these types of videos to have an opinion along the lines of "yeah there's some stuff in here that isn't perfectly accurate, but they obviously made the effort and at the end of the day the show's job is to entertain, not be 100% accurate to the realities of medieval combat." Its true, a fair and balanced opinion is appreciated. Also he makes a good point that its still leagues ahead of the sand snakes or even Jaime's choreography which is far worse. And while I thought the twirling swords was dumb, he makes a fair point that it could simply be meant to intimidate and keep the multiple opponents at range and guessing as to your next move, which isn't a totally bad idea. (I still think any one of them could knock those twirling swords out of his hands and he'd be hosed though) And he called out the reverse-grip as being bad. (It makes sense with a knife, but not really on a sword) but they were probably just trying to think of ways to show that Dayne is very skilled at fighting many ways. He also pointed out the disarm at the end was kinda unrealistic, and there's no reason to disarm Ned Stark when you could kill him, but doing so makes it more obvious to the audience that Ned was beaten completely, and I buy that. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 21:23 on May 13, 2016 |
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