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ullerrm posted:Volley damage should be roughly the same if you're in siege; its ROF is what got murdered. Assuming you're using the same fit as me (3x CN BCS, Concord torp launchers): The volley damage in the tooltip said 117.000 but it was 65.000 against a Poco. The listed DPS is 8200 and used to be 12.000.
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the more and more i spend time in this thread the less and less i feel like a giant douchebag for slowly scamming this german kid 70 bil over the last like 8 months
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I hear the cool thing to do with phoenixes is fit sensor boosters and volley jump freighters in ignoitton
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Zephyrine posted:The volley damage in the tooltip said 117.000 but it was 65.000 against a Poco. The listed DPS is 8200 and used to be 12.000. Poco signature radius: 4500 m Faction XL torp explosion radius, before patch: 2250 m Faction XL torp explosion radius, after patch: 7500 m This is why people do not use Phoenixes for Poco bashing after the patch. Use a turret dread, or a subcap gang, for that poo poo. e: Also, don't forget to get Rage torps for non-poco structure bashing. They'll do full damage to a medium or large stick. ullerrm fucked around with this message at 20:50 on May 13, 2016 |
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May 13, 2016 20:42
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ullerrm posted:Poco signature radius: 4500 m The Poco is too small? 
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Zephyrine posted:The Poco is too small? citidel missiles and torpedoes are crazy there was a time that capital ships were too small if they happened to be moving, at all
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May 13, 2016 20:53
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gwrtheyrn posted:I hear the cool thing to do with phoenixes is fit sensor boosters and volley jump freighters in ignoitton I really don't understand how people lose jump freighters. I've been flying them for years, I am frequently lazy or inattentive, and yet i've never died in one. How hard is it to only cyno to undocks?
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May 13, 2016 20:58
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evilweasel posted:I really don't understand how people lose jump freighters. I've been flying them for years, I am frequently lazy or inattentive, and yet i've never died in one. How hard is it to only cyno to undocks? Supposedly they're getting people because you don't lose lock going into siege or something. All of those kills were on the station
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So did Levi dps go in the dumpster too?
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May 13, 2016 21:03
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evilweasel posted:I really don't understand how people lose jump freighters. I've been flying them for years, I am frequently lazy or inattentive, and yet i've never died in one. How hard is it to only cyno to undocks? hard
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May 13, 2016 21:04
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gwrtheyrn posted:Supposedly they're getting people because you don't lose lock going into siege or something. All of those kills were on the station I'm assuming it's when undocking to warp to hisec? Wouldn't just docking back up when you see a dread sitting outside avoid this? Edit: I guess if you bounce off station when jumping in they can get you quickly. But then you have a cyno there and can see the dread waiting already.
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gwrtheyrn posted:Supposedly they're getting people because you don't lose lock going into siege or something. All of those kills were on the station ...but why are you even there long enough to get locked and shot? Interesting though, I will need to look into this and see how they're pulling it off. and then get my dread out of storage 
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Despera posted:So did Levi dps go in the dumpster too? right now i think if you want to blap you go with a ragnorak, which can reliably one-shot dictors
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rgocs posted:I'm assuming it's when undocking to warp to hisec? Wouldn't just docking back up when you see a dread sitting outside avoid this? For your lowsec/highsec gate, you should have cynoed onto a non-kickout station. If someone shows up on grid, you just immediately dock up. I can see bouncing off a bad cyno, during the evac of delve i had a bad cyno spot i took a nasty bounce off once. Thankfully i managed to dock up shortly before exiting the docking ring but it was a
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they undock dreads from the same station the jf is leaving from and blap him while aligning. with a bit of luck the freighter dies in 1 volley.
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evilweasel posted:...but why are you even there long enough to get locked and shot? Interesting though, I will need to look into this and see how they're pulling it off. Remember that event in which someone used one of the new TItan doomsdays to vaporize a fleet just as it was landing on a gate? Could this work if you park a Titan on the low-sec/hi-sec gate on a JF route and get a JF as it's coming out of warp?
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evilweasel posted:I can see bouncing off a bad cyno, during the evac of delve i had a bad cyno spot i took a nasty bounce off once. Thankfully i managed to dock up shortly before exiting the docking ring but it was a I always set destination to the station, jump and click autopilot, then proceed to mash "dock" button. I've bounced many times off station, but never gone out of docking range.
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People align to the high sec and then alt tab to read reddit or check Imgur. That's how Titan drivebys get people too.
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Zephyrine posted:People align to the high sec and then alt tab to read reddit or check Imgur. That's how Titan drivebys get people too. Oh, now I see Deadtear's strategy with posting all those cute dog videos. He's trying to get someone hooked on one just enough to forget about their undocked JF.
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rgocs posted:Remember that event in which someone used one of the new TItan doomsdays to vaporize a fleet just as it was landing on a gate? Could this work if you park a Titan on the low-sec/hi-sec gate on a JF route and get a JF as it's coming out of warp? can the aoe dds be used in lowsec
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evilweasel posted:I really don't understand how people lose jump freighters. I've been flying them for years, I am frequently lazy or inattentive, and yet i've never died in one. How hard is it to only cyno to undocks? this is the core issue with the game, that and interdiction nullification
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:can the aoe dds be used in lowsec no
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:can the aoe dds be used in lowsec Pff... details. But yeah, good point, CCP Fozzie says no: CCP Fozzie , 17 days ago posted:Superweapons that do AoE damage or drop a warp bubble will be limited to Nullsec at this time. That means the non-damage non-bubble superweapons will be allowed in Lowsec, as well as the old direct damage single target doomsdays. We may change aspects of this design in the future, depending on the feedback we get with them live.
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avatarinwin posted:this is the core issue with the game, that and interdiction nullification make jfs not absolutely necessary for playing in deep 0.0 and we can talk but people think that if suddenly jump freighters are vulnerable then you can kill them all. that won't be it, there just won't be any jump freighters there to kill; people can always play closer to empire or just play a different game if you just give 0.0 another whack without first giving it a corresponding benefit. similar thing with 'if only local was removed all these ratters would be easy to gank' no, they'd change tactics too. you can't make it easier to hunt something by making it more vulnerable. you make it easier to hunt them by bribing them into being idiots by rewarding them for doing risky things. edit: to a certain degree this is what ccp has tried to do with supercaps. both buff them so you're baited into risking them blapping subcaps, but weakening them so they can die more easily. they may have hosed up the balance but you can see they got the basic idea. interdiction nullification is pretty dumb though all around evilweasel fucked around with this message at 21:23 on May 13, 2016 |
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evilweasel posted:make jfs not absolutely necessary for playing in deep 0.0 and we can talk give jfs a 30 second spool up before being able to jump out. it gives it vulnerability in highsec, and gives people the ability to deny it access to places, etc.
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avatarinwin posted:give jfs a 30 second spool up before being able to jump out. it gives it vulnerability in highsec, and gives people the ability to deny it access to places, etc. that's not a bad idea, it is a little broken my exit cyno lets me tool around in a jf in highsec absurdly safely
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avatarinwin posted:give jfs a 30 second spool up before being able to jump out. it gives it vulnerability in highsec, and gives people the ability to deny it access to places, etc. make it spool up when jumping out of highsec and not elsewhere 
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Tripling the explosion radius in a single patch seems a bit ham handed. Especially when that same patch added capital afterburners.
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yeah Im totally going to fly this defenseless ship that costs 7b empty when people can kill it without me being able to do a drat thing about it
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avatarinwin posted:give jfs a 30 second spool up before being able to jump out. it gives it vulnerability in highsec, and gives people the ability to deny it access to places, etc. It wouldn't make any difference with you western gankers needing 5-15 minutes to form from the first bump. I would just stick the same cargo in a triple bulkhead Charon and move it to a system I could jump out of safer.
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I almost lost my Aeon the other day because I was tending it with my Archon and started warp back to station on the Aeon account accidentally
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Zephyrine posted:It wouldn't make any difference with you western gankers needing 5-15 minutes to form from the first bump. i'll have you know i assassinated 7 JFs within 20 seconds of them decloaking as much as i dont like the bumping changes, it really hurts miniluv much more than me. currently i have an idea for a really cool thing that will be happening soon (tm) FruitNYogurtParfait posted:make it spool up when jumping out of highsec and not elsewhere yeah but i think JFs need vulnerabilities outside of highsec too, and if you're unmolested this wouldn't slow down null logistics at all, and it gives people the ability to gently caress with you
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avatarinwin posted:People do things with prior planning and forethought and makes it hard to kill them. They should just line up in front of me to blap them. Anything else is a ~core issue~ Honest quote. CainFortea fucked around with this message at 21:46 on May 13, 2016 |
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avatarinwin posted:i'll have you know i assassinated 7 JFs within 20 seconds of them decloaking it adds minutes to each trip, and when you have to make shitloads of trips it makes it very frustrating, which is bad
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avatarinwin posted:i'll have you know i assassinated 7 JFs within 20 seconds of them decloaking Everything evens out. Bulkheaded Charons, courier contracts get limited to whatever cargo amount is safe to transport. People doing nullsec industry that depended on high value small M3 cargo will pay for full freighters for smaller shipments or move on to other forms of industry. If things became so bad that you and Boney sat on the Jita undock. Blowing up half of the empty bulkheaded cargo ships that undocked for giggles. Then CCP would probably step in and nerf ganking again. Zephyrine fucked around with this message at 21:40 on May 13, 2016 |
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Zephyrine posted:Everything evens out. god bless idiot highsec pubbies who value their time at less than a third-world sweatshop worker
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:it adds minutes to each trip, and when you have to make shitloads of trips it makes it very frustrating, which is bad yeah people wait for fatigue anyway so a 30 second spool up during fatigue is a net zero amount of time, but i realize what you're saying about dumb time sinks, imo 30 seconds isn't thaat bad CainFortea posted:Honest quote. lol if you think jf freighting requires any amount of effort other than stocking cyno mallers
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Zephyrine posted:The Poco is too small? I run target painters on my Phoenix when I go poco bashing.
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attn pubbie: i will give you FIVE CENTS worth of interstellar kredits for you to spend one hour of in-game time hauling my poo poo (while taking on all of the risk of loss) pubbie: what luck! i would have done it for four cents! highsec courier contracts really are the best
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avatarinwin posted:lol if you think jf freighting requires any amount of effort other than stocking cyno mallers
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