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Xelkelvos posted:That's probably because Sara and Snart have chemistry and seem relatively similar in more than they type of stuff they have in their Netflix queue. Even if Sara didn't feel the same way about Snart (I guess she's Bi until explicitly told otherwise), they've had all sorts of character bonding moments throughout the season that's really only rivaled by Ray and Mick I stand by this being a long con to meet Snart's sister.
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Snart better not be dead for good, Snart for Carter is not a good trade.
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ApeHawk posted:Can the CW stop justifying the use of roofies? Please? Not the best message to be sending, show. FactsAreUseless posted:characters didn't act like idiots Hermetic posted:I also love how subtle they were about the oracle's control. OB_Juan posted:Also, please don't use the device that can see and manipulate all of time to just gank Savage in Egyptian times, saving everyone a lot of trouble, then use it to find a different solution to the alien invasion. Blow it up for maximum vengence. ApeHawk posted:Yeah, their whole spiel about "the only way we stopped the invasion was because Savage united the world under one ruler, which we helped orchestrate" really falls apart when they LITERALLY HAVE THE SCRIPT OF THE SHOW AND A PEN. Apparently, writing history to make the birdpeople go away WITHOUT creating an immortal hitler and causing mass genocide is too hard. Also, if the aliens would have won and that would have meant no Time Masters, how do the Time Masters even exist? Their interference is the only thing that stops the aliens, but stopping the aliens is the only thing that allows them to exist. It's a clear paradox. Charles Gnarwin posted:Other than that, I enjoyed the episode because it was just action and fun character interactions (Roy and Mick eating desserts).
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May 14, 2016 03:48
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sbaldrick posted:Snart better not be dead for good, Snart for Carter is not a good trade. He got a contract to appear in all the Berlanti shows now. He isn't dead dead at least.
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Decius posted:He got a contract to appear in all the Berlanti shows now. He isn't dead dead at least. Earth 2 Mayor Snart declares Flash the greatest threat his city has seen.
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May 14, 2016 05:03
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So did Rip just decide to gently caress humanity because he got emotional over his family? God gently caress that guy.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Earth 2 Mayor Snart declares Flash the greatest threat his city has seen. he's not wrong
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Scyantific posted:So did Rip just decide to gently caress humanity because he got emotional over his family? It's kind of funny that the Time Bastards lie to Rip about the terribad future to motivate him to help stop it. Just like Rip lies to the Tommorrowcrew about their ability to stop the future bad killfamily.
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May 14, 2016 06:10
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jscolon2.0 posted:I stand by this being a long con to meet Snart's sister. I'm sure Cisco won't mind
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"Think about it." Careful what you wish for buddy,
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Tiggum posted:But why did the Time Masters just allow Jefferson to show up and wreck their poo poo? He was back within their sphere of influence too! My guess would be Tarkin-esque overconfidence. The Time Lo--Masters thought that they could take the whole crew at full power.
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OB_Juan posted:So the reason the team was so consistently dumb all season was that the Time Masters were pulling the strings? I get that the device saw all of time and was the basis for how the Time masters saw time, but making it control time as well? That gives me a few questions I don't think the writers thought out very well. Their whole thing was preaching non-interference, which is why bad things happened "Because they had to." But apparently all they do is interfere. Why are there any problems? Why would the Thanagarians be a problem? If you can control time or anyone's actions you could resolve this in literally unlimited amounts of ways. If they can control time why are they doing indirect things like giving Vandaal Savage time travel and making him kill Rip's family that way? Is it necessary to also help him stalk his ex girlfriend and kidnap her? And if the vanishing point is outside time how can they possibly say "In 2176 there is a Thanagarian invasion that destroys Earth and they also defeat us and take the vanishing point?" If they can see their own futures and it correlates with a specific date in the regular area of the universe then they aren't outside time at all. If they were outside time they would never be invaded. And if there was an enemy that learned time travel they would always be invaded and never exist? If they saw the team destroying the Oracle in the Oracle why did they still allow the team to destroy said Oracle? Basically I guess the speedforce did it?
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Anyone who refers to their origination as "Masters/Lords of Time" are pretty much always super incompetent when it comes to actually doing things with time travel, and always for vague reasons.
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May 14, 2016 17:34
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jscolon2.0 posted:I stand by this being a long con to meet Snart's sister. Snart's sister, Peyton List, got cast in the new Frequency series starting on the CW, based on the really good Jim Caviezel/Dennis Quaid movie. I'm not sure if we'll see her back as Lisa Snart if that show goes well.
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May 14, 2016 18:43
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Fat Shat Sings posted:If they saw the team destroying the Oracle in the Oracle why did they still allow the team to destroy said Oracle? It's the TimeForce, it ain't got to explain poo poo. Like how The Vanishing Point aint got no strings because it's outside of time, but the Time Masters foresaw the team attacking the Oculus anyway. (But yeah, why not just divert a small meteoroid or something to rock Thanagar and force them to rebuild instead of colonize aggressively, instead of, you know, killing 75% of the world population via Vandal Savage).
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The best part is that Rip had no idea the Oculus existed but his ship apparently did. When he asked it what the timeline was doing, it said "you blew up the Oculus, hosed if I know now." Rip apparently never questioned where his ship for info about the timeline.
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bull3964 posted:The best part is that Rip had no idea the Oculus existed but his ship apparently did. When he asked it what the timeline was doing, it said "you blew up the Oculus, hosed if I know now." It's come up before. It's a download / sync from the vanishing point. That was why he needed another ship because they killed his account at some point.
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Tiggum posted:But why did the Time Masters just allow Jefferson to show up and wreck their poo poo? He was back within their sphere of influence too! Early on in the season everyone lost interest in Jefferson and his natural athleticism, tuning his character completely out, the Time Masters chose not to waste their time on his character arc. Preferring Professor Stein, and placing random people with famous names in his path.
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I wish they had not gone with the Thanagarians invading, rather they went with the storyline where Vandal Savage teams up with Solaris to gently caress over earth. That would have been more interesting, and would have kept with Savage trying to take over earth. And I think the writers, like writers at DC, think the Hawkman/Hawkgirl thing is super romantic, and therefor something people love. No, people like the hawkpeople because they hit people with giant maces, not because Carter is always forcing Shiara into a relationship.
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twistedmentat posted:I wish they had not gone with the Thanagarians invading, rather they went with the storyline where Vandal Savage teams up with Solaris to gently caress over earth. That would have been more interesting, and would have kept with Savage trying to take over earth. I found a problem in your post
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boom boom boom posted:I found a problem in your post Well, there are people who like Hawkman and Hawkgirl, they wouldn't have been around for so long if they weren't. Just because we don't know any doesn't mean they don't exist.
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May 15, 2016 05:20
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I like the Hawkgirl from the DCAU.
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twistedmentat posted:I wish they had not gone with the Thanagarians invading, rather they went with the storyline where Vandal Savage teams up with Solaris to gently caress over earth. That would have been more interesting, and would have kept with Savage trying to take over earth. Solaris is an, uh, interesting choice. How well do you think this show would have done representing a talking sun as a threat? I agree that that was one of the best Vandal Savage stories, because it played to his one unique strength, which is that he can play the long, long, long game. Savage should have been shown deliberately putting pieces into play century by century building to his eventual conquest. Instead he seemed to gently caress around at random in each time period with no apparent strategy in mind.
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Maybe the thanagarians only invaded cause they were pissed Vandal savage kept killing their reincarnated royalty and sucking out their essence over and over.
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twistedmentat posted:I wish they had not gone with the Thanagarians invading, rather they went with the storyline where Vandal Savage teams up with Solaris to gently caress over earth. That would have been more interesting, and would have kept with Savage trying to take over earth. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that they had been together by choice for something like 4 thousand years; It's just that they always have an amnesia like period to get over. So basically isn't carter like waiting out his true loves reverse dementia? Like she pulled the same poo poo on future mind wiped Carter didn't she
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Mraagvpeine posted:I like the Hawkgirl from the DCAU.
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Instead of the Thanagarians, it should've been Mongul and his Warworld or the Durlans or Lady Styx The Hawks are cool, it just Carter in this series isn't the Carter from the comics who's fairly hot blooded, utterly vicious in a fight and rarely knows how to hold back. Kendra at least knows what restraint is, but she's as knock-down, drag-out as Carter which is sorta why they make a good couple. It's not because they're destined to be together that they work, it's because they're actually compatible with each other so there's no mystical compelling that's done. In every flashback we've seen of the Hawks, there's been no indication of any sort of chemistry. It's utterly forced making the "Destiny" thing more like a curse.
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Na'at posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that they had been together by choice for something like 4 thousand years; It's just that they always have an amnesia like period to get over. I'm pretty sure they said Carter gets his memories back first, then seeks out Kendra. So basically, Kendra's just living her life, being a normal person, maybe with a boyfriend or a new family. And then Carter shows up and say, yo you gotta love me and you're about to be murdered, give up everything you care about so we can bang for a couple years before a beard guy murders you.
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They established that sometimes Kendra gets her memories first. Still the worst part of the show, though.
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I think my main problem with the Time Masters is they're never shown actually using their supposed advantages outside of orchestrating that ambush. If the series writers had wanted them to really feel more competent we should have been tripping over those guys left and right in the background, like if the other timeship captains had some kind of respect for Rip and would appear, but not try to actually stop him. Instead we get Mick in a robot suit a couple times and those three utterly ineffectual motocross looking dudes who started a fight and got murdered hard.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Snart's sister, Peyton List, got cast in the new Frequency series starting on the CW, based on the really good Jim Caviezel/Dennis Quaid movie. I'm not sure if we'll see her back as Lisa Snart if that show goes well. Oh man that's one of my favorite movies but I don't see how it could work as a series.  "Okay Dad, this week I'm going to need you to run to the bank to stop a bank robber!"
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greatn posted:Maybe the thanagarians only invaded cause they were pissed Vandal savage kept killing their reincarnated royalty and sucking out their essence over and over. 
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Na'at posted:Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that they had been together by choice for something like 4 thousand years; It's just that they always have an amnesia like period to get over. It always seems like Carter gets his memories and then goes and finds Shiara and tells her they were meant to be together. Some writers have made it so both were in a position that it wasn't creepy, but the majority of stories I've read its always Carter being the one who starts it. And yea, JLU did it best with Carter being portrayed as a creepy stalker and Batman wants to punch his lights out for stalking his friend. If creepers like Dini and Timm realize it's not right, then it's really not right. Jack of Hearts posted:Solaris is an, uh, interesting choice. How well do you think this show would have done representing a talking sun as a threat? It would actually be easy, you just need a glowy ball that talks with a modulated voice of someone already on the cast, like an TOS Star Trek episode. You hit my biggest problem outside of Savage's actor not really seeming like a threat (also the fact he was just some Egyptian dude rather than an uplifted caveman), that he never really seemed like he had a over arching plan for most of history we see, outside of the Degatron stuff, and that was pretty much right before his takeover. His arms sales, his experiments, they all seemed really small time villain stuff. He should have been going all Bene Gessertt, manipulating bloodlines for centuries to create perfect captains to serve him, creating important and powerful families that would supply him with money and resources, and hell, suggest that he created literal countries to support him. But that would be way too imaginative for the writers on the show, becuase everything has to be delt with this week and Savage jumps out a window while everyone goes "wow I have lots of feelings about what just happened, lets talk about them rather than chasing down Savage for once and for all". Actually I wish this show was more like Stargate, that had great reoccurring villains, over arching plots, but episodes were generally self contained enough to not scare off casual viewers. Plus it managed to have emotional arcs without interrupting the action.
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They just need Grant Morrison to Executive Produce and write a bit for a season or even Giffen and DeMatteis and then just sorta see where it goes
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twistedmentat posted:It always seems like Carter gets his memories and then goes and finds Shiara and tells her they were meant to be together. Some writers have made it so both were in a position that it wasn't creepy, but the majority of stories I've read its always Carter being the one who starts it. JLU-Hawkgirl was also an alien who never buys into what Hawkman is selling. They never had a destiny to be together or history of reincarnation.
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twistedmentat posted:Well, there are people who like Hawkman and Hawkgirl, they wouldn't have been around for so long if they weren't. I see you're new to DC editorial
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I want Sara to show up on Arrow next week and just literally rip Dahrk's heart out. Walk right back out past Ollie and company without a word.
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