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Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Guy Mann posted:

Fallout 3 was a fun time when it came out but even if it was the worst game of all time nothing would justify spending 90 minutes having some youtube personality expound on how it's so bad guys like seriously.

I miss the days when people just wrote articles you could browse in 5-10 minutes instead of having to listen to them babble over gameplay footage for the length of a feature film.

get high as gently caress

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Looper
Mar 1, 2012
it really grinds my gears when people attribute a quote from a character in a fictional work to the author of that work

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

gently caress you CBA. I finally watched one of your stupid youtube links and it was hilarious and great and I ended up watching him for hours and getting a lot of laughs and being comforted by his stux-esque voice. I could listen to a stoned brit for weeks.

Shindragon
Jun 6, 2011

by Athanatos
Yeah I watched that whole video. Hbomb was pretty drat hilarious. Sure it's no secret that Fallout 3 is really bad but it was pretty great to see him go through why and then at the end when he talks about NV I'm like man I really need to go install that.

Also watched the video because DOOM is still downloading.

Viewtiful Jew
Apr 21, 2007
Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!
The Goomba Guy who makes videos for the Game Theory channel made a video about Doom demons in order to cash in on the new release today that was apparently so bad the internet finally had enough and forced him to make it private.

a.lo
Sep 12, 2009

About drat time

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
When did everyone decide that Fallout 3 was "really bad"? I thought pretty much everyone loved it for years after it came out. I was critical of it at first because I was a big fan of Fallout 1 and 2, but 3 ended up being pretty fun.

It wasn't amazing, but it was loads better than something like Oblivion.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Snak posted:

When did everyone decide that Fallout 3 was "really bad"? I thought pretty much everyone loved it for years after it came out. I was critical of it at first because I was a big fan of Fallout 1 and 2, but 3 ended up being pretty fun.

It wasn't amazing, but it was loads better than something like Oblivion.

Oblivion is also garbage.

I think New Vegas helped people realize that those games could have good writing.

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
I think Fallout 3's big problem is that it was basically a proof of concept for two better games - New Vegas, which is better written and more thoughtfully designed, and Fallout 4, which has much better core gameplay.

Oblivion has the same problem. It's an unwanted middle child that does everything worse than either its predecessor or sequel.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Snak posted:

When did everyone decide that Fallout 3 was "really bad"?

For me it was the first time the game broke insanely. Actually that was kinda great but boy was it annoying. The skybox just... ruptured open. It looked insane. And then VATS aim broke so my character constantly shot like 3 feet to the left of his targets, so I got killed by a mole rat.

But the real answer is: Fallout 3 is cool if it's your first fallout, and abysmal if it's not.

Shindragon
Jun 6, 2011

by Athanatos

Lurdiak posted:

But the real answer is: Fallout 3 is cool if it's your first fallout, and abysmal if it's not.

Pretty much this. I ain't going NMA levels of rage (that place is horrible) but it could have been much better.

Honestly that drat ending soured it (yeah I know they made a DLC to rewrite the ending)

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Fallout 4 was real lame

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
I guess I really need to try New Vegas again sometime. I tried for hours to get into it, and I never saw any of the writing. I was doing some dumb kill the lizards quest and then some stupid fetch plants quest, and then some other lame mmo quest which glitched and it took me an hour to realize it and then I quit, because holy poo poo was it boring. I never started it over because I didn't want to do the dumb escort poo poo again.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Snak posted:

I guess I really need to try New Vegas again sometime. I tried for hours to get into it, and I never saw any of the writing. I was doing some dumb kill the lizards quest and then some stupid fetch plants quest, and then some other lame mmo quest which glitched and it took me an hour to realize it and then I quit, because holy poo poo was it boring. I never started it over because I didn't want to do the dumb escort poo poo again.

You don't have to do any of it (and it takes like 20 minutes at the most).

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Snak posted:

When did everyone decide that Fallout 3 was "really bad"?
Never, since it's still a really popular game (regardless of the many valid criticisms).

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I mean I put an unconscionable amount of hours into the game, but it's kinda like how I marathoned Law and Order. There's something at the core of it that's really engaging, and not even necessarily in a "turn your brain off" kind of way, but stupid poo poo constantly happens to sour your enjoyment. People call it "bad" in the sense that it falls well short of its potential and fails in categories the previous fallout games excelled at.

But some parts of it are straight up garbo.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
I like vidcons

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I really wish the barkley 2 devs talked to their fans more about why the game's being delayed. They're really not building up good will with this approach.

Please don't tell them I said that.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
the ff9 elemental fiends were cool and I wish they got to be around longer than they were, like if they had a role more akin to the archfiends from ff4 (who were also v cool)




Looper
Mar 1, 2012
do you think marilith was pissed off about losing her legs

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

why are all the bad guys black

edit-- nvm i think maybe the boss at the end wasn't black

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
Nah, she can just unfuse them later

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Over the years I have come to like FO3 less as more modern games reveal more of its flaws, but I still maintain that it's really not as bad as people give it poo poo for. One problem that I universally agree on is that FO3 and to an extent NV are pretty ugly video games without any mods. I'm sorry to anyone who played 3 or NV on consoles.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

ive been mesmerized by the gif of polygon playing doom all day

http://i.imgur.com/BXoHRVF.gifv

like watching my dad play an FPS

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
When did I get a job at polygon...

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Quest For Glory II posted:

ive been mesmerized by the gif of polygon playing doom all day

http://i.imgur.com/BXoHRVF.gifv

like watching my dad play an FPS

This is Polygon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwg6RTjCH7g

So cringey. Just... agh. God drat.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Quest For Glory II posted:

ive been mesmerized by the gif of polygon playing doom all day

http://i.imgur.com/BXoHRVF.gifv

like watching my dad play an FPS

playing an fps with a controller.webm

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

Anything not by the mcelroys on Polygon is a premium skipparoo

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

CJacobs posted:

playing an fps with a controller.webm

Nah if you watch the whole video its clearly somebody who has never played with a controller before in their lives. They often stand still and either only look around or move, almost never both at the same time. Circle strafing never happens at all. Its extremely cringey to watch.

Controller is definitely slower looking in doom than mouse and keyboard, but anybody with a decent bit of experience on xbox or ps4 will look a million times better than that polygon video. Its really unbelievable how bad they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yYp8ZeQ-I8

Its baaaaad. If not for the melee kills they'd never actually be able to progress.

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

game sites arent required to have MLG skills or whatever but it does say something about their opinion of a game if it's informed by their inability to play the game like a normal person

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Please don't play an fps game with a controller even if you're good at using a controller :(

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Buglord

CJacobs posted:

Over the years I have come to like FO3 less as more modern games reveal more of its flaws, but I still maintain that it's really not as bad as people give it poo poo for. One problem that I universally agree on is that FO3 and to an extent NV are pretty ugly video games without any mods. I'm sorry to anyone who played 3 or NV on consoles.
Yeah, I still like 3 but mainly because it just lets you go anywhere. Also at the time I played through I was only really starting to play WRPGs.

I also liked Oblivion, I even played it with just a fan patch that only fixed bugs and while I can see why people don't like it and I don't think I'll ever play it again I did enjoy it. I played a couple of hours of Skyrim and got bored though so I feel like I got my fill of Elder Scrolls and Bethesda developed Fallout with Oblivion and 3 respectively.

CrashCat
Jan 10, 2003

another shit post


So I rented Doom tonight and I have to say the Snapmap feature is powerful but the multiplayer lobby browser (or lack of one) is total rear end. You can't just see what lobbies are public and waiting for players, you have to either join a friend or a quickplay playlist. You can pick a map specifically but you won't get any random people joining because only people who have picked that same map at that time and are refreshing while you have that lobby up will see it.

I did the quickplay co-op list a few times and it always picks Onslaught and while it's a cool little demonstration I got sick of it really loving quick. Especially since the Hell Knights are cheating fuckfaces who just run past literally everything and make you lose immediately, no matter how much DPS you have.

Oh yeah and even though it says it's a "playlist" it actually just picks one map and shunts you to it, after that map is over it just starts the lobby over with the same map, so everyone leaves. It's a really bad system and unless they fix it I will probably not bother with anything but a rental.

It's really stupid to waste all that cool map tech with a lovely lobby system. I bought that Gunscape game that's on sale, and even though the levels aren't nearly as complex and the amount of people playing at a given time is in the single digits, you can at least loving see what games are going on and join one. Also Gunscape lets you join mid map, which is really important when you don't have many running games to pick from. I suppose it's too late to put that tech into Doom if it's even possible with their architecture but it's just another frustration.

The other two modes are probably okay but I concentrated on trying the SnapMap since that's what interested me

CrashCat
Jan 10, 2003

another shit post


CJacobs posted:

Please don't play an fps game with a controller even if you're good at using a controller :(
I tried everything I could think of to make mouse and keyboard work for me with the couch and the big TV but it's a no go. Lapdesks are unstable and get in the way, trackpads are too fiddly for aiming and shooting precisely, and I'm not gonna cram a chair and desk in front of the couch or move the couch every time I want to play a game that includes aiming.

Yeah I can't headshot people from across the map in two seconds with my poo poo gamepad skills, but even on this big rear end TV I could barely see them anyway that far away so I don't consider it something I can manage anyway

Looper
Mar 1, 2012

Zaphod42 posted:

This is Polygon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwg6RTjCH7g

So cringey. Just... agh. God drat.

i can understand someone who doesn't like guns (but is too afraid to straight up say so?) being freaked out by a realistic gun sim. i mean, i don't like guns. but good lord this guy sounds like a weenie

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Fallout 3's biggest merit is translating the Fallout universe into an FPS. I think people really underrate this feat. What Bethesda did from the perspective of estabilishing core gameplay mechanics, the way the interactions work, the systems present in the game was an enormous amount of work. Obsidian really showed what you can do with of all of that but their game wouldn't be half as good without hundreds of good decisions that Bethesda made in the first place. In that sense it's important to acknowledge FO3. It doesn't exist in a void anymore though as New Vegas showed what the premise is capable of and it's a shame that in turn FO4 scrapped Obsidian's work in developing the concept for the game.

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


Also a shout out to all the people who make me want to play Doom:

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

CJacobs posted:

Please don't play an fps game with a controller even if you're good at using a controller :(

I'm going to do whatever the gently caress I like bitch

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
You're only hurting yourseeeeeeellllllfffffff

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Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


If you want to feel really old:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC7Onhm3tto

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