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Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
WOAH PHOENIX POWER SPEARS UPGRADE COUNT ME IN

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TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005

Recoome posted:

Knight thing is dumb, what differentiates it from a Warhound Titan?

what the gently caress

Yeah, that knight seems to have scale crept into titan territory. I bet its rules make the warhound completely useless :v:

Mango Polo
Aug 4, 2007

TTerrible posted:

Yeah, that knight seems to have scale crept into titan territory. I bet its rules make the warhound completely useless :v:

Nah, we already know the guns it has. I'm guessing the up-sizing will translate into an AV boost, but the warhound's still the cheapest source of turbolasers to ruin someone's day.

e. Also we have it reiterated that Magnus is the next primarch to be released after Russ. And now that the Lion will be after Magnus. Keep waiting, Fist and Alpha players.

Mango Polo fucked around with this message at 15:13 on May 14, 2016

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Alpharius is already released.

mister_ed
Feb 24, 2016

Mango Polo posted:

Keep waiting, Fist and Alpha players.

...and Scars, if there are any besides me :'(

Can someone please explain what all the different red books are? I got the bundle with LACAL & black book VI, and I know LACAL is meant to be superseded but I don't understand which books I'll need in the end...

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Red books are the aggregate army lists so you dont have to lug around 6 black books. Well... in theory anyway. The newest legion red book isnt very good. The Mechanicum red book is amazing.

mister_ed
Feb 24, 2016
Well sure, but there are now a few of them aren't there...

* LACAL
* Mechanicum
* Age of Darkness Legions (what's in this?)
* Crusade Imperialis (and this?) - from Battle Bunnies slides
* Age of Darkness Army List (presumably an upgrade for the above one right?) - from Battle Bunnies slides

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
I think the Age of Darkness Legions is the new LACAL with ALL the legion rules. The Crusade Imperialist is Solar and Militia and the Army List is the army list.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Wait so I can't actually use my old cultists (or new ones!) as Levy because they're each armed with pistol and a CCW.

quote:

The entire squad may replace its auxilia rifles with one of the following options:
- Close combat weapons......free
- Auxilia pistols......................free

What even the poo poo is this bad decision? Unless they're operating under some weird phrasing of 'one' that actually means 'two,' there's no way to get both.

e: Ok good.

moths fucked around with this message at 16:35 on May 14, 2016

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

moths posted:

Wait so I can't actually use my old cultists (or new ones!) as Levy because they're each armed with pistol and a CCW.


What even the poo poo is this bad decision? Unless they're operating under some weird phrasing of 'one' that actually means 'two,' there's no way to get both.

stop hyperventilating and look at the base equipment for inducted levies. they already come with a rifle and CCW; those options allow you to swap the rifle for a pistol or a second CCW

Mango Polo
Aug 4, 2007

mister_ed posted:

Well sure, but there are now a few of them aren't there...

* LACAL
* Mechanicum
* Age of Darkness Legions (what's in this?)
* Crusade Imperialis (and this?) - from Battle Bunnies slides
* Age of Darkness Army List (presumably an upgrade for the above one right?) - from Battle Bunnies slides

The AoD army list is the book with all of the generic legion units & bits.
Legions contains all of the legion-specific units and stuff.

mister_ed
Feb 24, 2016

Mango Polo posted:

The AoD army list is the book with all of the generic legion units & bits.
Legions contains all of the legion-specific units and stuff.

Just to be clear then, AoD Army List is the new version of the LACAL that's currently out?

Mango Polo
Aug 4, 2007

mister_ed posted:

Just to be clear then, AoD Army List is the new version of the LACAL that's currently out?

Correct!

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

Rulebook Heavily posted:



I don't care how ineffective this thing may be for its cost, it's huge and that's what matters

I want my Ultramarines to tool around in the Shellraiser here.

Stanyer89
Aug 4, 2012


I can't wait to buy the Blood Angels HH dice to match the 100's of dollars I have spent on 40k Blood Angels dice.

And still roll 1's for daaaaays.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005

Mango Polo posted:

The AoD army list is the book with all of the generic legion units & bits.
Legions contains all of the legion-specific units and stuff.

jfc why are they doing this.

Why release Age of Darkness army list to replace Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List right after dropping Age of Darkness Legions

:psyduck:

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

Mango Polo posted:

Nah, we already know the guns it has. I'm guessing the up-sizing will translate into an AV boost, but the warhound's still the cheapest source of turbolasers to ruin someone's day.

e. Also we have it reiterated that Magnus is the next primarch to be released after Russ. And now that the Lion will be after Magnus. Keep waiting, Fist and Alpha players.
Oh? Hmm... Maybe that means Dark Angels will play a big part in the book after Prospero and they might get their primarch rules, unique units, and better legion rules to replace what they have now.

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
What conflicts did the Dangels get up to in the Heresy besides Caliban and showing up late for Terra?

Mango Polo
Aug 4, 2007
Beating the poo poo out of the Night Lords, making sure Roboute didn't go full heretic, beating the poo poo out of forge world Xana for going heretic.

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011

Mango Polo posted:

making sure Roboute didn't go full heretic

is this referring to Imperium Secundus?

Mango Polo
Aug 4, 2007
Yes.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
Anyone else notice the tiny microraid exploritor? I guess that basically confirms epic is back :getin:

Moritat looks boss hog. Also if you didn't already fire sell your LACAL book now is probably a good time.

Hencoe
Sep 4, 2012

MY LIFE GOAL IS TO STICK A FLESHLIGHT INTO THE END OF A HOWITZER AND FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF IT

TTerrible posted:

jfc why are they doing this.

Why release Age of Darkness army list to replace Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List right after dropping Age of Darkness Legions

:psyduck:

Because one is the generic legion list everyone pulls from and the other has the legion specific rules and units?

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011

BULBASAUR posted:

Anyone else notice the tiny microraid exploritor? I guess that basically confirms epic is back :getin:

Moritat looks boss hog. Also if you didn't already fire sell your LACAL book now is probably a good time.

where is the tiny explorer? any other nu-epic scale stuff?

DrPop
Aug 22, 2004


Hot drat those Secutarii upgrade kits look cool too. The Skitarii kit already rules, so I hope those make them even cooler.

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005

Hencoe posted:

Because one is the generic legion list everyone pulls from and the other has the legion specific rules and units?

Why change the name from LACL to one so similar to the other book they've just released? Trying to work out where the current rules for things are printed in 30k is worse than 40k goddamn.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
The naming is confusing as hell. They are going away from 'istvaan legions' because I guess the format changed.

A 50S RAYGUN posted:

where is the tiny explorer? any other nu-epic scale stuff?

This thing. Unless it's a weird rear end render it looks like an epic model:

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
Think it's just the render dude.

Edit: Wait nope, that's a real model. There's some stress-marks in the tracks if you look.

Hencoe
Sep 4, 2012

MY LIFE GOAL IS TO STICK A FLESHLIGHT INTO THE END OF A HOWITZER AND FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF IT
You sure it's not the full sized one?
Also the pair of front mounted irradiation engines and the graviton flux cannon :getin:

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
I wonder how many options it'll actually come with. That thing's got a buffet of weapons and wargear to choose from.

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte


I made my first test model for my new army. Pretty happy all up.

Mango Polo
Aug 4, 2007
There's no actual epic, just epic-ish HH:

quote:

Adeptus Titanicus: The Horus Heresy

this is the next game from the specialist games studio after blood bowl
will be a larger scale than epic, to allow the models to have more detail
all models will be resin.
due mid-late next year

On the updated army list book:

quote:

the legion crusade army list is being updated into the ‘age of darkness army list’ book due out july/august time. name change is because the army list represents the legions during the heresy due to the amount of units that only start appearing during the heresy.

the updates to the AoD list will be larger than previous red books, as the core army list as presented in betrayal was originally written for 5th edition, so is now two editions behind, and FW have taken their time with this one to re-address certain in balances and other issues.

And seems like someone had it wrong, Alphabet and Fist Wizard are actually next after Russ & Magnus.

quote:

FW gave their reason for skipping dorn and alpharius, basically, neither has actually appeared in the FW books narrative yet, and their rules were included as a courtesy.

they will be doing them soon (before sang, khan and the lion) but magnus will be after russ as their both central to the prospero plot.

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

Mango Polo posted:

And seems like someone had it wrong, Alphabet and Fist Wizard are actually next after Russ & Magnus.
Oh well. I figured that would be the case so I'm not too worried about waiting for the Lion. It's not like I'd get around to the model for a long time. :v:


Here's hoping the updated legion army list is worth the wait. Assault marines will still be hilariously over-priced and borderline unusable.

Mango Polo
Aug 4, 2007

Safety Factor posted:

Oh well. I figured that would be the case so I'm not too worried about waiting for the Lion. It's not like I'd get around to the model for a long time. :v:


Here's hoping the updated legion army list is worth the wait. Assault marines will still be hilariously over-priced and borderline unusable.

I really, really just want better breachers. Point drop, functionality improvements, whatever. But at the weekender the FW crew was all "breachers need help, what?"

muggins
Mar 3, 2008

I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Yeast posted:



I made my first test model for my new army. Pretty happy all up.

Looks great dude! I am going to be working on some NL soon.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Is there any reason to take a knight paladin these days?

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
They're fairly cheap points-wise, the Rapid-Fire Battle Cannon isn't half bad and you can give it carapace options.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

Mango Polo posted:

the updates to the AoD list will be larger than previous red books, as the core army list as presented in betrayal was originally written for 5th edition, so is now two editions behind, and FW have taken their time with this one to re-address certain in balances and other issues.

Please god no formations, no unbound, no detachments, no major bullshit

OhDearGodNo
Jan 3, 2014

BULBASAUR posted:

Please god no formations, no unbound, no detachments, no major bullshit

That's my biggest worry.

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A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011
i was a huge 40k defender and still formations and focs and unbound are what made me stop playing it altogether

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