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JcDent posted:Medieval recreationist just told the audience that the sword was the perfrct and the most legendary weapon of the era (maybe it holds true for Baltics in 13 century?) Most legendary yes, but far from perfect (even in Lithuania). Post pics pls.
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that would be the handgun, OP
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May 14, 2016 11:50
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HEY GAL posted:that would be the handgun, OP eh, maybe not the medieval handgun i'd go with the spear, the king of weapons, both for infantry and cavalry
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May 14, 2016 11:53
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found a muster roll that makes mention of proto-uniforms: "This Compagnie has a blue and white Standard, on which is painted Fortuna standing on a winged bullet, with this verse, Fortunam reverenter habe, likewise the banners on the trumpets, and the riders wear long coats in blue, trimmed with white." (Mustered in in 1619) HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 18:51 on May 15, 2016 |
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May 14, 2016 12:11
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Plan Z posted:While giving tours, I'm finding the younger kids up to about 15-20 are a little more knowledgeable, or at the very least willing to learn. I think it's mostly because they're still in a school mindset or are just interested enough to be mesmerized by seeing stuff outside a book for once. I think baby-boomers are by far the worst (big surprise), usually interrupting to regurgitate internet/History Channel myths and cultural/political biases. In some cases it's obvious that they just made stuff up on the spot to seem smart. What's a "helmet ping"? Or is it just the general myth that the garand's "ping" was a serious vulnerability? chitoryu12 posted:The best part of War Thunder is one-shotting Tigers with the lowest tier Shermans (especially the 105mm howitzer with HEAT) by going through their side or rear armor and blowing up their ammo or setting their fuel tanks on fire. The Tiger is distinguished by a really good gun and fairly tough armor, but it's realistically nowhere close to invincible and the flat shape of the armor doesn't help its defenses at all. You can go through the front if it's flat!  KV-2 is also good in realistic if you get good at guessing ranges/have high rangefinding on the crew. But yeah tiger is maybe a little overtiered considering it's competing with the Panther at the same BR which has better speed, better armour, artillery, and can respawn twice/isn't hosed on spawn costs.
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May 14, 2016 13:23
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Okay, when I was playing ~Men of War~ I was told that the best thing to do in at least some situations was to angle tanks at about a 30% angle towards the expected direction the enemy will be shooting from. This makes armour more effective, because shells won't hit your armour straight on. Is this a real thing?
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May 14, 2016 13:31
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Fangz posted:Okay, when I was playing ~Men of War~ I was told that the best thing to do in at least some situations was to angle tanks at about a 30% angle towards the expected direction the enemy will be shooting from. This makes armour more effective, because shells won't hit your armour straight on. Yes.  from the Tigerfibel.
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May 14, 2016 13:36
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Fangz posted:Okay, when I was playing ~Men of War~ I was told that the best thing to do in at least some situations was to angle tanks at about a 30% angle towards the expected direction the enemy will be shooting from. This makes armour more effective, because shells won't hit your armour straight on. I though armor angling was one of the criticisms of World of Tanks
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May 14, 2016 13:54
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Fangz posted:Okay, when I was playing ~Men of War~ I was told that the best thing to do in at least some situations was to angle tanks at about a 30% angle towards the expected direction the enemy will be shooting from. This makes armour more effective, because shells won't hit your armour straight on. We used the term 'Reichtangle' to describe a properly angled Tiger I in WoT.
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May 14, 2016 14:00
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JcDent posted:I though armor angling was one of the criticisms of World of Tanks For one thing, you need a lot of confidence in your side armour, and for another, you're much better off not getting hit in the first place. With the tiger having neutral steer and spending a long time with good effective armour even to the sides I wouldn't be surprised if it was a fairly unique case.
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May 14, 2016 14:07
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I love that they use cutting a sauage to help explain armour deflection angles. So drat German.
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May 14, 2016 15:24
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I just finished that book I mentioned, The Battle of Alamein: Turning Point, World War II by John Bierman and Colin Smith. Pretty good book, heavy on the personal accounts and details from all nations involved. I came in knowing very little about the North African campaign in WW2 and ended up enjoying it a good deal.
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May 14, 2016 15:37
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spectralent posted:What's a "helmet ping"? Or is it just the general myth that the garand's "ping" was a serious vulnerability? Supposedly the Germans would wait for the ping to come out of cover and kill everyone so the crafty GI would keep a spare empty enbloc on himself to throw at a hard object like a helmet. This would simulate the ping out jumps jerry and he eats a face full of .30-06
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May 14, 2016 16:23
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spectralent posted:For one thing, you need a lot of confidence in your side armour, and for another, you're much better off not getting hit in the first place. With the tiger having neutral steer and spending a long time with good effective armour even to the sides I wouldn't be surprised if it was a fairly unique case. You also want to be really really sure you aren't flanked and turning your side flatter to an enemy on the side, even just an enemy a ways down their line.
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May 14, 2016 16:39
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Fangz posted:Okay, when I was playing ~Men of War~ I was told that the best thing to do in at least some situations was to angle tanks at about a 30% angle towards the expected direction the enemy will be shooting from. This makes armour more effective, because shells won't hit your armour straight on. It's a real thing in the sense that angled armour deflects shots better, but the caveat is that you need to know precisely where the enemy is in order to avoid overexposing your side. If you know precisely where the enemy is, the best course of action is to just shoot them.
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May 14, 2016 16:54
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It's a lot more straightforward to just put armor on the tank at an angle.
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May 14, 2016 17:20
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Cyrano4747 posted:Supposedly the Germans would wait for the ping to come out of cover and kill everyone so the crafty GI would keep a spare empty enbloc on himself to throw at a hard object like a helmet. This would simulate the ping out jumps jerry and he eats a face full of .30-06 Huh. That one I've not heard before. It wouldn't surprise me if that one turned out to be a thing that happened once (or someone swears happened once) that turned into "this was a standard tactic".
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May 14, 2016 17:29
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It's atop tier red orchestra 2 thing. You can endlessly make pinging noises to demoralise the enemy.
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May 14, 2016 17:30
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First time I read it it was about Korea and Norks
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May 14, 2016 17:32
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JcDent posted:Medieval recreationist just told the audience that the sword was the perfrct and the most legendary weapon of the era (maybe it holds true for Baltics in 13 century?) Sword? You mean the knife! Yes, from the lowliest pocket knife to the workmanlike Roman gladius, to the largest Scottish claymore, knives of various lengths, thicknesses, edges, handles, etc., have been used for so many things throughout the ages.
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May 14, 2016 17:57
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cheerfullydrab posted:Sword? You mean the knife! Yes, from the lowliest pocket knife to the workmanlike Roman gladius, to the largest Scottish claymore, knives of various lengths, thicknesses, edges, handles, etc., have been used for so many things throughout the ages. think about it
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May 14, 2016 18:04
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HEY GAL posted:hmm, yes, but have you thought of putting a knife on a stick? the stick could be about your height, but it could also be longer...lots longer. The point at which a knife becomes a sword and vice versa is a lot harder to pinpoint than the point at which a knife becomes a pike.
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May 14, 2016 18:08
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A pike is just a knife with a really fuckng long handle.
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Does that make a sword a pike with a really short handle and a really long blade? Is a bullet a pike without a handle and a really short head?
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May 14, 2016 18:22
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where is this nasty little thing on the spectrum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goedendag
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May 14, 2016 18:23
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A gun is an easy-to-use throwing pike.
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May 14, 2016 18:29
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What if the pike has a bayonet lug, attachment for launching rifle grenades and a pistol grip?
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May 14, 2016 18:32
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Explosive pikes have already been invented
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chitoryu12 posted:A gun is an easy-to-use throwing pike. a gun is an atlatl with ambitions
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Animal posted:Explosive pikes have already been invented Indeed: 
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I prefer my pikes to have rocket engines in the back and multiple independent reentry vehicles armed with thermonuclear bombs in the point.
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May 14, 2016 19:28
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Only the best for your mom, eh?
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May 14, 2016 19:31
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Did you know that many houses even today are held together by entire tercios worth of tiny, handle-less pikes? It's true!
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May 14, 2016 19:32
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Surely there's only one greatest weapon of the era, the longest era?
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May 14, 2016 19:50
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Hats is just little pikes for your head
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May 14, 2016 21:16
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Has anyone killed anybody with a pickelhaube?
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spectralent posted:Huh. That one I've not heard before. That, and there seems to be a lot of... extrapolation when people see certain devices. Like the guy talking about the MG42 blanks probably saw that famous old movie teaching GIs about the different MG noises and thought "Everyone was scared of the MG42, so they could fire blanks to have the same effect! My idea seems likely enough that it must have happened." Likewise, someone sees that ping and all kinds of thoughts enter their minds, most of which do not take in any realities of combat. It's especially bad when a myth originates from soldiers' stories, even when they're very obviously erroneous. Besides the line of myths that come up when I get to the Sherman tank, the most common one I've heard is how American weapons, especially the M1 Carbine, could not penetrate the thick coats of NK/PRC troops in Korea. That one has gotten contentious twice because on top of all of the various answers, the top one is "The GIs missed their shots." Both of these people got insanely offended that any US Veteran could be wrong and how dare I and what's my source. It's been teaching me to watch how I answer certain questions. That said, I dig doing the Q&As as people finally get to answer the questions they've always been curious about instead of someone talking for an hour about things they have no concern about. Plan Z fucked around with this message at 21:38 on May 14, 2016 |
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Fangz posted:Has anyone killed anybody with a pickelhaube? There's only one way to be sure! Godspeed.
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Fangz posted:Has anyone killed anybody with a pickelhaube? War's True Horrors: http://dai.ly/x2ipqxp?start=1007
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Plan Z posted:That, and there seems to be a lot of... extrapolation when people see certain devices. Like the guy talking about the MG42 blanks probably saw that famous old movie teaching GIs about the different MG noises and thought "Everyone was scared of the MG42, so they could fire blanks to have the same effect! My idea seems likely enough that it must have happened." Likewise, someone sees that ping and all kinds of thoughts enter their minds, most of which do not take in any realities of combat. If you ever get that mg42 blanks bullshit again here is why it's impossible: a blank won't cycle the bolt on an automatic. Without the bullet to build pressure there just isn't enough force. When guns fire blanks they need a way to keep pressures high enough to cycle the bolt. The most common is a blank firing device which is usually a thing that fits over the muzzle to keep the gasses from escaping too quick. Firing regular ammo out of a gun with a blank firing adapter on it is NOT a good idea. Oh yeah and blanks fired without a BFA attached don't sound like much. Less impressive than your average cap gun. A belt fed MG that alternated blanks with live rounds would get off one shot then just puff a wet fart and stop. You would need to manually clear the fired blank as it wouldn't even have enough has to eject.
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