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I really liked the latest episode of Ghost, though now that Alain is officially a good guy now I'd kind of like to see him get an upgrade of his own at some point. I forget, has a Third Rider ever gotten an alternate form before? The only one I can think of that comes close is Gills in Agito.
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Do you count HELL HELL HELLFRUIT as an upgrade?
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May 11, 2016 19:09
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Larryb posted:I really liked the latest episode of Ghost, though now that Alain is officially a good guy now I'd kind of like to see him get an upgrade of his own at some point. I forget, has a Third Rider ever gotten an alternate form before? The only one I can think of that comes close is Gills in Agito. Blade, no matter how you define who is the third Rider in that series, since Chalice and Garren both get upgrades (IMHO, third Rider is Garren, Chalice is more integral to the plot). Kabuto, because all non-Hopper Brothers Riders have a Masked and a Rider form. Decade, because they steal regular Kuuga's suits when Yuuske can remember he's a Rider plus the mess that is the Rising Ultimate Kuuga suit. And then Gaim, because Gaim was just overflowing with Rider forms. (Since it has both Baron and Zangetsu getting upgrades at the least). gourdcaptain fucked around with this message at 20:57 on May 11, 2016 |
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May 11, 2016 19:09
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gourdcaptain posted:Blade, no matter how you define who is the third Rider in that series, since Chalice and Garden both get upgrades (IMHO, third Rider is Garren, Chalice is more integral to the plot). Kabuto, because all non-Hopper Brothers Riders have a Masked and a Rider form. Decade, because they steal regular Kuuga's suits when Yuuske can remember he's a Rider plus the mess that is the Rising Ultimate Kuuga suit. And then Gaim, because Gaim was just overflowing with Rider forms. (Since it has both Baron and Zangetsu getting upgrades at the least). Ah right, so there's more precedent than I thought. It would be nice if Necrom got another form to match Grateful and Deep Specter but it might be too late in the series now for them to do it (but then again, Ghost still has one more form that has yet to appear so you never know).
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May 11, 2016 19:16
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Larryb posted:Ah right, so there's more precedent than I thought. It would be nice if Necrom got another form to match Grateful and Deep Specter but it might be too late in the series now for them to do it (but then again, Ghost still has one more form that has yet to appear so you never know). Also, it seems like the Writers Forgot (tm) about Necrom's ability to possess and control Ganma. I was expecting him to pull that out and like absorb the Ganmeiser straight into an upgrade form, and was kinda disappointed when he didn't.
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May 11, 2016 19:23
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Alain can't do that right now because he has a human body
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May 11, 2016 19:24
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yeah all the stuff Alain could do with Ganma before seemed to come from the fact his Consciousness was inside a Ganma Superior Eyecon. Now that he's not in one he can't do that stuff and just is a normal person. Like he may not even have super strength or whatever anymore like he kind of used to have going by him being able to punch fight Ghost early in the series without a suit. From what it seems he could still use Ultima and Superior Eyecons if he had them (Since Javert uses one in a human body), but he doesn't have one so he doesn't use one. as for a third form it seems like once Ghost gets Mugen he stops using the other Eyecons; there's pictures of Necrom using some of the Ghost Eyecons and similarly Deep Specter using some of them
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May 11, 2016 20:09
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The Heroic Legend of Alain is ridiculous.
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May 12, 2016 06:03
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Some Numbers posted:The Heroic Legend of Alain is ridiculous. Alain is a perfect and Good Boy thus any spin-off focusing on him would be equally Perfect and Good.
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May 12, 2016 16:58
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Stallion Cabana posted:Alain is a perfect and Good Boy thus any spin-off focusing on him would be equally Perfect and Good. Maybe so, but it goes from super serious stuff to slapstick involving takoyaki and it's really jarring
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May 12, 2016 17:17
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I feel like it was intentional since the whole thing had a really surreal quality to a lot of the interactions. If the movie was kind of attempting to show Alain's prospective on things it shows that up until recently he really just didn't think the same way we did; it's jarring and surreal because we're looking through the lens of what's essentially a ghost alien. When it starts to make more sense is also when he starts becoming more relatable as a person.
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May 12, 2016 21:04
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Most of this has mood shifts, Chase movie had that spit take at the same time as all that blood and boobs. I got a kick out of the ultra serious music playing while javel and Alain were on swingsets.
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May 13, 2016 00:13
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Acne Rain posted:Most of this has mood shifts, Chase movie had that spit take at the same time as all that blood and boobs. Javel and Alain on swingsets was amazing. I honestly can't tell if the people who produced this thing did it on purpose or not. It's like some kind of Poe's Law for surreal films.
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May 13, 2016 01:22
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It was DEFINITELY intentional, to show how goddamn serious the Ganma take themselves (when they should not be taken seriously, just like basically every character on this show.)
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May 13, 2016 23:28
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Yep, that Chase movie was filled with most of the fan service I could want.
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May 14, 2016 14:32
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So after taking a six or so month break I have finally caught up. Three things that stuck out to me that nobody in this thread bothered to mention. Ninnin wasn't nearly as bad as everyone was saying. Not great or even really good but a much better show, and less red-centric, than ToQger at least. That said, Takaharu's actor had some absolutely disgusting zits on his face that makeup just couldn't hide. Wanted to go at him with two nickels half the time.... You guys make furry jokes but as animals in human bodies these are clearly actually otherkin. Also yeah, Zyuohger is great so far. I love that Leo is basically everything people don't like about recent red rangers' personalities but in the form of a male yellow he suddenly becomes downright likable.
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May 15, 2016 03:09
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I don't recall ToQger beating us over the head with how great Right was at everything though. Probably because none of the ToQgers were competing so they didn't have to talk about how great Red was and how they needed to surpass him.
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May 15, 2016 03:34
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Cliff Racer posted:Ninnin wasn't nearly as bad as everyone was saying. Not great or even really good but a much better show, and less red-centric, than ToQger at least. WHAT
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Got a little burned out on W, so I watched some of the original series to try and reinvigorate myself. There's a lot more emphasis on the "Rider" part of Kamen Rider in this version. Also I'm starting to realize that all the Riders I've seen have gotten their powers from evil people and used it for good. That's an awesome overarching premise. It probably says a lot about me that I legitimately find Shocker terrifying. People staring at you and giggling menacingly is creepy as gently caress
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May 15, 2016 04:16
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jivjov posted:WHAT Yeah, TOQ was all about Red and the villains, the rest might as well not even have been there. The whole point to things like that people as food episode was that red is better when there's other rangers with him. And the show hammered home how great Right was a ton when they brought in the main villain who couldn't shut up about how sparkly he was. Yeah, the original Kamen Rider was portrayed by someone who actually rode a motorcycle in real life, at this point bikes are clearly just included as part of the tradition. Toei would probably do away with them if they could.
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May 15, 2016 04:18
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Regardless of which is more red-centric, in no way is ninnin better than trainger.
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May 15, 2016 04:49
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mikeycp posted:Regardless of which is more red-centric, in no way is ninnin better than trainger. Ninninger has better suits and mechs.
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May 15, 2016 05:08
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jivjov posted:WHAT As bad as Takaharu was, Ninninger would at least pretend to care about the others. ToQger ended with everyone sitting patiently while Right beat the main villain by himself. ToQger was bad.
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Cliff Racer posted:The whole point to things like that people as food episode was that red is better when there's other rangers with him. on the other hand the entire show features takaharu smashing face basically without help
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May 15, 2016 05:14
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nerdman42 posted:Got a little burned out on W, so I watched some of the original series to try and reinvigorate myself. There's a lot more emphasis on the "Rider" part of Kamen Rider in this version. Also I'm starting to realize that all the Riders I've seen have gotten their powers from evil people and used it for good. That's an awesome overarching premise. Pretty much the only main Riders who don't have a direct connection to their antagonist group are Super-1, Black RX, and J off the top of my head
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Ninninger has better suits and mechs. Both shows have bad suits and mechs but the trains edge out the dumb ninja stuff imho
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I liked the trains.
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Is it weird that overall I've preferred the Mecha designs in TOQger, Nininger, and Jyuohger over Go-Busters', and similarly preferred Goseiger's over Gokaiger's, and while I like the three main robots in Shikenger overall(along with the extra robots), I feel any combinations involving more than one of them were incredibly mediocre and half-assed Overall it just feels that the mecha aspects to Go-Busters and Gokaiger were complete afterthoughts during development and writing to an extent not seen since Dairanger(and at least the ones from Dairanger look good), same with any of the multi mech combinations from Shikenger
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May 15, 2016 10:49
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It is weird, because they put a lot of work into the Gobusters bots and making sure they weren't all clusterfucks. Are you sure you aren't confusing it with some other series?
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May 15, 2016 11:58
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Ninninger has better suits and mechs. ToQ had better villains. Its 6th Ranger and Supporting cast is highly debatable in which is better, but i think ToQ's is slightly better.
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Xelkelvos posted:ToQ had better villains. Its 6th Ranger and Supporting cast is highly debatable in which is better, but i think ToQ's is slightly better. ToQ's 6th was better, imo. I liked the concept of Star Ninjer a lot, but in execution he didn't quite pay off on all the "weirdo cowboy tourist from America" shenanigans I was expecting.
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drrockso20 posted:Overall it just feels that the mecha aspects to Go-Busters and Gokaiger were complete afterthoughts during development and writing to an extent not seen since Dairanger(and at least the ones from Dairanger look good), same with any of the multi mech combinations from Shikenger You mean Go-Busters, where they went out of their way to make the mecha actually important to the series and not just something that shows up for two minutes at the end of every episode?
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drrockso20 posted:Pretty much the only main Riders who don't have a direct connection to their antagonist group are Super-1, Black RX, and J off the top of my head V3 as well, seeing as he was made by Rider 1 & 2 (though Kotaro's mutation into RX was somewhat indirectly caused by Crisis so I'm not sure if he fully counts). But yeah, the concept of a Kamen Rider using the same/a similiar power as their enemies has pretty much been a staple of the series since the beginning. Larryb fucked around with this message at 17:36 on May 15, 2016 |
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May 15, 2016 16:37
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deadly_pudding posted:ToQ's 6th was better, imo. I liked the concept of Star Ninjer a lot, but in execution he didn't quite pay off on all the "weirdo cowboy tourist from America" shenanigans I was expecting. ToQ's 6th ranger and villains were better and the plot had a little more depth (though they did a poor job of making it interesting) but thats it. They had worse robots, worse CGI, worse suits, a worse gimmick, worse rangers, worse supporting cast and, and I know this will be an unpopular one, worse mook suits. Sorry guys, the Crows looked dumb.
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Dexie posted:You mean Go-Busters, where they went out of their way to make the mecha actually important to the series and not just something that shows up for two minutes at the end of every episode? Also spending a lot of stuff to have simultaneous Giant robot and on the ground fights and do a lot unique camera work and shots just for the robot, like the buzzsaw zord cutting a big hole in the Ace's cockpit and the sun light streaming in.
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Cliff Racer posted:ToQ's 6th ranger and villains were better and the plot had a little more depth (though they did a poor job of making it interesting) but thats it. They had worse robots, worse CGI, worse suits, a worse gimmick, worse rangers, worse supporting cast and, and I know this will be an unpopular one, worse mook suits. Sorry guys, the Crows looked dumb. I think you may be insane. You might want to consult a doctor.
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May 15, 2016 18:21
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Also spending a lot of stuff to have simultaneous Giant robot and on the ground fights and do a lot unique camera work and shots just for the robot, like the buzzsaw zord cutting a big hole in the Ace's cockpit and the sun light streaming in. It was the first Sentai to use outside sets for the robot fights too, wasn't it?
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May 15, 2016 18:58
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Dexie posted:It was the first Sentai to use outside sets for the robot fights too, wasn't it? And the big combination form had big plot importance outside of just being a bit power up.
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It was also the first time in a while that we didn't get the main "Megazord" right out of the gate, it took a few episodes before they gained their combined form. Though one day I'd like to see them try a main mecha that's just one piece rather than being made up of individual ones as we haven't had one of those since Timeranger (I count Ace from Go-Busters as something more akin to Ryuseioh's Warrior Mode in Dairanger.), besides it's not like the individual Zords get a lot of chances to do things on their own these days. Gokai-Oh might has well have been once since the non-Galleon ships were only used twice in the entire series.
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Depending on what you mean by main zord Go-Onger took awhile too. They had the three combiner but took a few episodes to hook all five up, or did they need Carrygator for that?
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