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So pretty much everyone who has a helmet/mask that obscures their face is going to have some accident that damages it, with it never getting replaced again for some reason? Why not just give them designs that don't obscure their face in the first place ala Bakugo?
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May 15, 2016 16:21
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'Cus then you can't have cool battle damage. Also, Iida kept his mask on the entire time!
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May 15, 2016 16:25
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Terper posted:'Cus then you can't have cool battle damage. I'm assuming he won't since he's not wearing it during the OP (right?).
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May 15, 2016 16:47
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Shakugan posted:So pretty much everyone who has a helmet/mask that obscures their face is going to have some accident that damages it, with it never getting replaced again for some reason? It's only Deku, and it gets replaced, calm the gently caress down.
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May 15, 2016 16:49
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Love the POWERFUL TIMER in this episode.
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May 15, 2016 17:14
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Yessssss.
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May 15, 2016 17:17
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Shakugan posted:I'm assuming he won't since he's not wearing it during the OP (right?). Waffleman_ posted:calm the gently caress down.
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May 15, 2016 17:31
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Waffleman_ posted:Yessssss. That is a really good avatar. The animation is what sells it.
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May 15, 2016 17:41
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Superheroes with masks are nerds and lame and bad and lovely and probably like western animation. Gross!
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May 15, 2016 17:41
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Mikl posted:That is a really good avatar. The animation is what sells it. Looking at it, I probably could have made the gif hold a few frames at the end, but the 5 bux have been spent.
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May 15, 2016 17:46
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You don't need to hold a few frames, just set the final frame on a 3 second timer before it switches or something. 100kb is v restrictive in the end
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May 15, 2016 17:51
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Yeah, this was at 80, so I don't know if there was a whole lot else I could do. I'm fine with it.
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May 15, 2016 17:55
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naleynXS7yo Maybe I need to up my emoji usage or something.
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May 15, 2016 18:03
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Horikoshi showing some more try-hard villain Iida:
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May 15, 2016 18:20
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Bakugo's sheer rage is kind making each episode less and less enjoyable at this point. The guy's such a raging dick there's no real redeeming features about him. His treatment of Izuku alone is already grating to watch but he just comes off as a total sociopath in his interaction with other people. The guy already gave him a ton of poo poo for being quirkless and takes offense at the mere idea that he isn't quirkless. It's just not a very enjoyable character to watch in action because it feels like weird reverse torture. Izuku's finally got a quirk of his own and life is looking up for him, but oh no, Bakugo is here to put an end to that! If Bakugo were the main viewpoint character this show would be like weird torture fanservice. At least there's interesting worldbuilding and a ton of characters that are interesting. Maybe Bakugo will redeem himself like Vegeta did.
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May 15, 2016 19:50
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Bakugowns
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May 15, 2016 19:51
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One of the prevailing themes - in fact, the very first one presented in the show - is how society forms the individual and how this can have positive and negative effects on people. Bakugou is clearly a large part of that. He's an rear end in a top hat, but it's also super easy to see why he's an rear end in a top hat and understand that, but still condemn him for being an rear end in a top hat. Bakugowns. I love him. His action scenes are cool. I don't see how you can see it as torture porn when every single time (so far) Deku manages to outshine him and be the better person, set to a soaring heroic chorus.
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May 15, 2016 19:58
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This is pretty much the peak of Bakugou's anger. He tapers off and is definitely still a raging jerk but this loss is pretty significant.
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May 15, 2016 20:01
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Bakugou is a character who changes one pebble at a time.
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May 15, 2016 20:03
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TriffTshngo posted:This is pretty much the peak of Bakugou's anger. He tapers off and is definitely still a raging jerk but this loss is pretty significant. This loss, and also being at Yueii at all, among other things. Before he was a big fish in a small pond, but now he's where the best of the best go; I'm not going to go into spoilers but there are some extremely skilled students there. We already saw him not get the highest score in Aizawa's test, if I'm not mistaken. The staff also isn't going to fawn over him constantly like the adults in his life used to, either. Deku trumping him is a big part of it, though.
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May 15, 2016 20:22
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Bakugo is the antagonist here so I'm not sure why you'd expect him to be sympathetic anyway. He's the lifelong bully that Deku dramatically overcomes. Even the other kids don't like Bakugo very much, saying he's not hero-like, etc.
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May 15, 2016 20:37
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Roland Jones posted:We already saw him not get the highest score in Aizawa's test, if I'm not mistaken. Third, behind Yaoyorozu (bighaired lady) and Todoroki (half-ice dude), and ahead of Iida and Tokoyami (crow dude). (For the record, Uraraka is right in the middle of the pack at 10th, and Deku is of course dead last.)
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May 15, 2016 20:39
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Clarste posted:Bakugo is the antagonist here so I'm not sure why you'd expect him to be sympathetic anyway. He's the lifelong bully that Deku dramatically overcomes. Even the other kids don't like Bakugo very much, saying he's not hero-like, etc. Seriously, the whole fight Deku's literally screaming "You being so cool and tough inspired me to want to be cool and tough" which is a big deal for heroes. It's kind of their MO, but Bakugo is just so loving pissed that someone he saw as beneath him would try to better themselves instead of just basking in his glory. Bakugo has a long long way to go to being a real hero.
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May 15, 2016 20:40
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Terper posted:One of the prevailing themes - in fact, the very first one presented in the show - is how society forms the individual and how this can have positive and negative effects on people. Bakugou is clearly a large part of that. He's an rear end in a top hat, but it's also super easy to see why he's an rear end in a top hat and understand that, but still condemn him for being an rear end in a top hat. Well, as I said, if you make Bakugo the main viewpoint character, the framework changes. Without the focus on Izuku, Bakugo comes off as a plain jerkass who has a rough streak due to his confidence and superiority complex. Less focus on Izuku lightens the amount of bullying we see but he's still ultimately a verbal and physical punching bag for Bakugo, who can come up with his own justification for beating him up. We wouldn't see Izuku's heroic spirit that comes from an instinctive reflex to help those in danger, we'd just see him throw himself into dangerous situations in a fruitless attempt at being the hero. Izuku mostly outshines him because we see a ton of his character. The video he kept watching as a kid? It's not All Might OHKOing villains left and right, it's him rescuing people and trying to reassure them. We see him throwing himself into dangerous situations. It's incredibly reckless but it's because of his reflex to want to help people who are in danger. His thoughts show us that this is his selflessness rather than anything else. But even though he passes the examination with rescue points, UA doesn't weight them higher or anything. It just becomes a 'gotcha! Kids, heroing isn't all about defeating villains, but it totally could be.' Sure, Bakugo didn't score 1st in the physical but instead of looking to overcome those students, he immediately zeroes in on Izuku. It makes him look insecure. I don't expect him to be a sympathetic character but so far it feels like there's no repercussions for his behavior at all. In the first episode he gets physically and verbally abusive in class in front of a teacher who just told everyone they shouldn't be using their quirks in class. Everyone admires his power and talent. Aizawa just restrains him for attempting to go after Izuku after demonstrating his quirk in front of him for the first time but it's clear nobody in UA has stopped Bakugo and told him to cut it out. Dude's a bomb waiting to explode in everyone's face and nobody, neither his classmates nor the faculty, seems to care about fixing that issue before it explodes.
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May 15, 2016 21:11
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It isn't very fair to claim Bakugo is an antagonist, is the thing. While he may be... Incredibly abusive towards Izuku and others, he's a product of society. As a child, he as a prodigy at everything, while he had Izuku who was good at nothing, and was never called out on this. When Bakugo got his quirk, he was praised. He kept being praised and called a natural hero. No one challenged his world-view, except for Izuku. Because in this episode, it shows why he has a dislike for Izuku - The fact that someone as strong as Bakugo, is being helped by someone as pathetic as Izuku, which must mean Bakugo is pathetic too, right? He's a teen full of ridiculous pride, because of his worldview being that the strong will always be strong, and the weak will always be weak. The fact that Izuku got a quirk, when as kids, Izuku never shown himself with a quirk, THEN that quirk potentially being stronger than his explosions? It's messed up in his head. It doesn't make sense. His viewpoint is being challenged, and he can't seem to understand why, especially if you consider the fact that, while Bakugo is incredibly talented, he's also quite brash. I feel Bakugo's fairly complex, and a good character to watch grow, just like the other heroes in this show.
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May 15, 2016 21:18
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TriffTshngo posted:This is pretty much the peak of Bakugou's anger. He tapers off and is definitely still a raging jerk but this loss is pretty significant. Bakugou's mellowest setting is seething anger. The extent to which he mellows out at all is the extent to which he's pissed off at something else instead of Deku. He is a man who yells at the bacteria in his mouth while brushing his teeth, there is no tapper off. This very episode is him realizing that he was angry at Deku about the wrong thing. Now he understands the true reason to be furious at Deku.
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May 15, 2016 21:19
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Argas posted:Dude's a bomb waiting to explode in everyone's face and nobody, neither his classmates nor the faculty, seems to care about fixing that issue before it explodes. Because this is the first time UA actually sees that. He's been abrasive and rude, but this is the first time his attitude really comes to light for everyone. He has also displayed several heroic characteristics found in All Might himself: he is confident, self-assured, someone the people can look up to and declare their savior. Deku is selfless and heroic, yes, but All Might is also so much more than that. All Might is, to the general populace, someone who is incredibly cocky and self-assured, someone who never shows a hint of fear, someone who absolutely dominates every battle without so much as a sweat. Neither Deku or Bakugou are All Might, but together they form something very close to him. And they're both still children with room to grow.
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May 15, 2016 21:23
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LightningKimba posted:It isn't very fair to claim Bakugo is an antagonist, is the thing. While he may be... Incredibly abusive towards Izuku and others, he's a product of society. As a child, he as a prodigy at everything, while he had Izuku who was good at nothing, and was never called out on this. When Bakugo got his quirk, he was praised. He kept being praised and called a natural hero. No one challenged his world-view, except for Izuku. Because in this episode, it shows why he has a dislike for Izuku - The fact that someone as strong as Bakugo, is being helped by someone as pathetic as Izuku, which must mean Bakugo is pathetic too, right? He's the antagonist of this episode. That doesn't make him a villain (although I think its clear that he might have been if his motivation wasn't to be worshiped in a hero-worshiping society), it's just a fact about his position in the narrative. He is the obstacle to be overcome by the protagonist.
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May 15, 2016 21:33
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Terper posted:Because this is the first time UA actually sees that. He's been abrasive and rude, but this is the first time his attitude really comes to light for everyone. He has also displayed several heroic characteristics found in All Might himself: he is confident, self-assured, someone the people can look up to and declare their savior. Bakugo has heroic qualities about him for sure, he's not a raging sociopath that is waiting to murder Deku at every turn, but he certainly is ready to fight him and this is his first sanctioned opportunity. Bakugo is just a dumb teen with the ability to constantly generate explosions and is about of a bad combination as you would expect. Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 23:41 on May 15, 2016 |
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May 15, 2016 21:36
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Bakugo has a long long way to go to being a real hero. That's kinda the major point of his character. Sure, he's strong - but there's so much more to being a hero than being strong (which is still required, at least in certain areas. I mean, we have a firefighting hero). It's even a central point of the series. He's a giant dick, but he's there to learn to not be such a giant dick.
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May 15, 2016 21:38
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I appreciate that everyone who actually has to deal with Bakugo correctly treats him as a giant rear end in a top hat rather than a prodigy to be admired, but I have to admit, it seems odd that the faculty in general doesn't seem to recognize what a massive pile of issues he is. Dude is a pile of dead bodies waiting to happen. I still don't buy that he's the product of his society, either. People who are unbelievably spoiled sometimes act like Bakugo does when they're crossed, but the fact that Bakugo is seething with rage 100% of the time, even when he's brushing his teeth, indicates that either there's something much more deeply wrong with him or that he just isn't written to make sense as a human being.
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May 15, 2016 22:22
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I think my favorite moment so far was the reveal that Deku keeps track of everyone he's a huge fan of, and that since Bakugo is in the book he's also someone Deku heavily admires. 
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May 15, 2016 23:32
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Argas posted:Dude's a bomb waiting to explode in everyone's face and nobody, neither his classmates nor the faculty, seems to care about fixing that issue before it explodes. Also, several classmates in this very episode told All Might to call the fight off because of Bakugou so I doubly don't see this.
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May 15, 2016 23:38
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Rand Brittain posted:I appreciate that everyone who actually has to deal with Bakugo correctly treats him as a giant rear end in a top hat rather than a prodigy to be admired, but I have to admit, it seems odd that the faculty in general doesn't seem to recognize what a massive pile of issues he is. Dude is a pile of dead bodies waiting to happen. When people say Bakugou is a product of society I think they mean less that society turned him into the person he is, but more that society gave him the environment to turn himself into a terrible human being. All society really did was give him his huge ego and the belief that he's better than all his peers (since his quirk was better than all his peers, and society puts a lot of emphasis on quirks) and then from that base he became an rear end in a top hat. Everything else though, he basically fashioned himself, his bullying, his treatment of those he thinks he's better than, his anger and rage at everyone and everything when he feels like he's not the best person in the room, and his hatred of Deku literally just because the kid tried to help him when he's supposed to be weak. That's all Bakugou, society didn't encourage him to do that. He's kinda a terrible person.
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May 16, 2016 00:05
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SyntheticPolygon posted:When people say Bakugou is a product of society I think they mean less that society turned him into the person he is, but more that society gave him the environment to turn himself into a terrible human being. All society really did was give him his huge ego and the belief that he's better than all his peers (since his quirk was better than all his peers, and society puts a lot of emphasis on quirks) and then from that base he became an rear end in a top hat. Everything else though, he basically fashioned himself, his bullying, his treatment of those he thinks he's better than, his anger and rage at everyone and everything when he feels like he's not the best person in the room, and his hatred of Deku literally just because the kid tried to help him when he's supposed to be weak. That's all Bakugou, society didn't encourage him to do that. He's kinda a terrible person. It kind of did, though? Look at how people treated Bakugou after the event with the slime villain, versus how they treated Deku. Deku got chewed out for how stupid he is, being a quirkless kid who ran in anyway, while Bakugou had people fawning over how awesome his quirk is. That's admittedly not the best example because Deku was foolish there, but that's how it went for everything. He'd get excused or praised no matter what he did, while Deku got chewed out by teachers for wanting to be a hero at all. Bakugou was constantly told he really was better than other people, particularly Deku, explicitly or implicitly. That's not saying that he isn't an rear end in a top hat or that none of it comes from him, mind. He really is a terrible person. It's just that society also all but explicitly said "you are outright better than everyone else" with how it treated him. It did quite a bit more than just give him an ego; it outright encouraged his behavior and his belief that other people are inferior to him, albeit not deliberately. Edit: Actually, thinking about it a bit more and rereading, I think we're saying basically the same thing, and I just think you're understating how badly people hosed up when it came to handling Bakugou, Because they really, really badly hosed up, particularly people like his teachers. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 00:34 on May 16, 2016 |
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May 16, 2016 00:30
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Roland Jones posted:It kind of did, though? Look at how people treated Bakugou after the event with the slime villain, versus how they treated Deku. Deku got chewed out for how stupid he is, being a quirkless kid who ran in anyway, while Bakugou had people fawning over how awesome his quirk is. That's admittedly not the best example because Deku was foolish there, but that's how it went for everything. He'd get excused or praised no matter what he did, while Deku got chewed out by teachers for wanting to be a hero at all. Bakugou was constantly told he really was better than other people, particularly Deku, explicitly or implicitly. Oh yeah people hosed up badly, but there are others in the class with just as good a quirk who didn't become as horrible people. Probably because they never really acted out in the first place and thus adults didn't need to step in like they should've done with Bakugou. But like Bakugou was just the right kind of person to turn out terribly in this world. It made his already bad qualities way worse and made him think that was fine. So, yeah I think we do have the same thoughts on this. I just get a little annoyed when people point to society as the main reason Bakugou turned out the way he is, when I think it's more 50-50. Society and particularly the way adults considered him made him pretty awful but his own personality and stuff contributed pretty heavily to it as well.
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Terper posted:Also, several classmates in this very episode told All Might to call the fight off because of Bakugou so I doubly don't see this. Sure but are they suddenly going to turn Bakugo into a social pariah for attempting to kill Izuku? I mean, it is a new extreme but they've already seen how abrasive the guy can be before. First day of class and he's already told everybody they're nobodies compared to him, and he hasn't been ignored yet. Aizawa certainly saw that he was going to do something stupid and dangerous and put a stop to it but it's clear that nobody has given Bakugo a pep talk. Maybe that'll change. SyntheticPolygon posted:So, yeah I think we do have the same thoughts on this. I just get a little annoyed when people point to society as the main reason Bakugou turned out the way he is, when I think it's more 50-50. Society and particularly the way adults considered him made him pretty awful but his own personality and stuff contributed pretty heavily to it as well. The way I see it, he's a jerk all on his own and society just encouraged his behavior because he's got a good quirk. The other students in junior high look down on Izuku for being quirkless but it's Bakugo that uses a demeaning nickname for him and harasses him. We see it in the examinations for UA too. When Izuku uses OFA, people wondered why he was a nervous wreck if he had such a powerful quirk. People with amazing quirks are showered with praise and adoration. But you can't blame society for Bakugo giving Izuku a nickname that meant useless and using it constantly from back when they were kids. The dude misbehaves and everyone lets him, but nobody urged him to misbehave in the first place.\ Argas fucked around with this message at 01:43 on May 16, 2016 |
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May 16, 2016 01:30
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Except when someone's poor behavior is excused because society gives them a pass, it makes it exponentially worse. Sure, it takes an initial act of assholery, but then you get to keep doing worse and worse things because who cares. Sure, katsuki's a terrible person, but he's been left unchecked for too long. It takes a long time to break bad habits and change a person.
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It's important to remember that there's a clear dividing line between UA and the rest of the world. Until he joined, Bakugou was basically a child-god, and treated accordingly. Now he's just one of dozens of very talented students, he's got a worse attitude than pretty much any of them, and neither his classmates nor his teachers are especially prepared to put up with his poo poo. Remember that All Might didn't keep the fight going for Bakugou. He did it for Midoriya.
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