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HMS Boromir posted:I'm glad you decided to immediately illustrate my point. "Higher than 30 is better but not necessary for my enjoyment" is a perfectly fine viewpoint to have. It's also in no way the opposite viewpoint to "every game should aim for 60 FPS" at all, indeed it's even closer to it than a lot of people who don't think higher than 30 is better at all, or at least claim not to. You just place less of a priority on high FPS than other people. But since this has turned into a subject of debate for some reason, you immediately jump into a weird defensive argument as if there's some fundamental difference of opinion here and if I get my way there's someone out there who won't get theirs. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 20:20 on May 15, 2016 |
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CJacobs posted:It's the air of self-righteousness that comes with saying you cannot understand how people could possibly feel otherwise that makes you sound like a jerk. Do you actually feel that there's a reasonable position other than "high framerates are good" and "I don't care" or are you just really upset about the way I phrased that post
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May 15, 2016 20:20
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CJacobs posted:It's the air of self-righteousness that comes with saying you cannot understand how people could possibly feel otherwise that makes you sound like a jerk. It's an eye-rolling crappy way to defeat a counterargument nobody put forward in the first place. What are you even arguing?
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May 15, 2016 20:21
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Andrast posted:What are you even arguing?
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single player games at stable 30 are fine for me. mp games need to be higher imo. i don't really notice unless there is choppiness but i want more input recording frames per second if i'm up against another human
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May 15, 2016 20:31
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CJacobs posted:I don't like posts that are "here's the best position to have (it's the one I have) anyway see ya", and that's probably not an issue many people share. Ah. Apologies. In the future I'll make sure to specify whenever I make a post that I allow and indeed expect people to reply to it if they disagree with it, so tremendous idiots such as yourself don't get confused
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Motto posted:why would a persona game need beefy hardware for all the beef bowls HMS Boromir posted:FPS is such a weird thing. With the exception of people who honest to goodness can't tell the difference (they apparently exist) I can't imagine who would take a look at 60 FPS and not think every game should be at 60 FPS (or more) if at all possible. But since the first person that comes to mind when you think of 60 FPS is Total loving Biscuit it's become some kind of thing where you take sides on the great 60 FPS Debate as if it isn't just a given that high framerates are good. because if ur playing a game that doesnt rely on extremely accurate input (twitch MP FPS, fighting games), it doesnt matter and the vast majority of peopel would rather have 30fps with nicer graphics or a higher resolution. the people who say anything less than 60fps is bad are an extreme minority Andrast posted:I value 60 FPS pretty highly but I'm fine with consistent 30 FPS (which is why I have an expensive PC). The problem is that games often don't even hit that on consoles these days this is the frist gen where a solid 30fps+ framerate for nearly every game is a reasonable expectation. also theh neo and psvr have specific framerate targets thaht they will have to meet or will not be able to release. you're talking nonsense.
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May 15, 2016 20:36
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HMS Boromir posted:Ah. Apologies. In the future I'll make sure to specify whenever I make a post that I allow and indeed expect people to reply to it if they disagree with it, so tremendous idiots such as yourself don't get confused tfw u just confirmed what they were saying lmao
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May 15, 2016 20:36
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in most games i would rather nicer graphics, higher res, more AA etc at a solid 30 than turning that stuff down for 60. if its an online game with a significant element of serious competition give me 60 for reduced input lag and less dropped inputs. otherwise i'll take 30 and candy thanks.
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May 15, 2016 20:38
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I like what Nioh did and lets you choose, personally I would like to play games at 60 if given the option.
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May 15, 2016 20:42
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Xelkelvos posted:X's turn based combat system was a lot more approachable than X-2 modified ATB and was probably the better for it. I never could get into X-2's system. the Prototype games own for just running around and getting in knock down, drag out fights with monsters and tanks I guess they weren't that successful, but I loved them dearly
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In Training posted:I like what Nioh did and lets you choose, personally I would like to play games at 60 if given the option. yeah it was cool to let you pick
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May 15, 2016 20:46
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In Training posted:I like what Nioh did and lets you choose, personally I would like to play games at 60 if given the option. I was just typing up a post about this actually, since I just remembered Nioh. I didn't play it myself so maybe someone can chime in with some opinions on how well it worked but that definitely seems like a cool approach for consoles, where graphics settings aren't standard since everyone has the same hardware. I don't expect Ni-Oh is going to get a PC port but if it did, you bet your rear end you'd be able to play it in 60 FPS if you wanted, and then if your computer wasn't good enough to play it in pretty mode 60 FPS you could make the same choice. Meanwhile a console game that's locked at 30 FPS and doesn't get a great port is going to stay locked at 30 FPS. I don't think anyone would disagree that it's better to have the option and thus better if developers at least make a token effort to optimize for 60 FPS. That's what I meant by that post - it feel like because there's this small brigade of people who think 30 FPS is outright unacceptable and you shouldn't stand for it, there's now pushback against the idea that optimizing for 60 FPS is good because those guys are insufferable. In a different way than I am, before anyone decides to land that zinger.
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HMS Boromir posted:I was just typing up a post about this actually, since I just remembered Nioh. I didn't play it myself so maybe someone can chime in with some opinions on how well it worked but that definitely seems like a cool approach for consoles, where graphics settings aren't standard since everyone has the same hardware. I don't expect Ni-Oh is going to get a PC port but if it did, you bet your rear end you'd be able to play it in 60 FPS if you wanted, and then if your computer wasn't good enough to play it in pretty mode 60 FPS you could make the same choice. Meanwhile a console game that's locked at 30 FPS and doesn't get a great port is going to stay locked at 30 FPS. its because optimising for 60fps sacrifices image quality and most people for the majority of gamews would ratherh they look nice and run at a solid 30 if they have to pick. its not in any way a complex or difficult situuation and the fact u felt u needed clarification on why anayone would feel that way shows that ur extremely dumb bad and an idiot fail.
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May 15, 2016 20:57
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love those buttery frames It'll be interesting to see if VR takes off and actual worthwhile games start having VR versions and being forced to optimize for 90+ fps. Or at least 60, I think I recall PSVR targeting 60? The Puke Factor also makes it so they can't afford to drop frames so maybe we'll get a golden age of high minimum FPS HMS Boromir fucked around with this message at 21:07 on May 15, 2016 |
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May 15, 2016 21:00
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Motto posted:games looking smooth is cool as heck Yeah. I dont really care about visual fidelity if I can play at a high framerate.
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May 15, 2016 21:11
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I like 60fps
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HMS Boromir posted:love those buttery frames i hope not. i hope all games are locked at 30 forever instead of wasting fraems that should be used on sick particle effects and lighting and reoslution,. 60fps is poo poo and bad. its pointless. only hte biggest ididot nerds enjoy it.
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May 15, 2016 21:21
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games that erare allowed 60fps: call of dutyt nad street fighter. all other games: 30fps with the best grpahics aavilaable.
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Stux posted:i hope not. i hope all games are locked at 30 forever instead of wasting fraems that should be used on sick particle effects and lighting and reoslution,. 60fps is poo poo and bad. its pointless. only hte biggest ididot nerds enjoy it. Well that seems like an extreme position to take, Stux.
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codenameFANGIO posted:Well that seems like an extreme position to take, Stux. im sickj of these SJWs (Sixty Justice Warriros) runing games fo rus MRAs (Maximum Res and Anti-aialising)
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May 15, 2016 21:25
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finally a gamergate worth caring about
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Stux posted:games that erare allowed 60fps: call of dutyt nad street fighter. all other games: 30fps with the best grpahics aavilaable.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Are you shaking as you type this? Yeah but only at 30hz
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May 15, 2016 21:42
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idc about a game lookin good because im not a twitch superstar, gimme the frames
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I want 60fps at all times and maximum graphical fidelity and I'll pay hundreds upon hundreds of dollars to do it. America.
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Usually after I play a game a while I stop noticing how pretty the graphics look but 60FPS well you don't stop caring about that for real some games are fine at 30 though, it depends
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a reddit post about boycotting overwatch to play team fortress 2 to prove that nothing is too trivial
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FactsAreUseless posted:Are you shaking as you type this? yes but it is imperceptible to the human eye much liek the difference between 30 and 60 fps
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Not gonna pitch a fit over 30fps but most games I play aren't graphical showcases anyway so I'd prefer they shoot for 60.
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hubris.height posted:a reddit post about boycotting overwatch to play team fortress 2 to prove that nothing is too trivial The Overwatch beta made me go back to TF2, I've been playing a lot of it and it's still fun, at least when your team isn't 80% engineers, spies and snieprs. Hopefully it staves off my desire to spend way more than I should on Overwatch.
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May 15, 2016 22:20
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it snowed today, and also, hailed
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CJacobs posted:I don't like posts that are "here's the best position to have (it's the one I have) anyway see ya", and that's probably not an issue many people share.
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hubris.height posted:a reddit post about boycotting overwatch to play team fortress 2 to prove that nothing is too trivial why? HMS Boromir posted:The Overwatch beta made me go back to TF2, I've been playing a lot of it and it's still fun, at least when your team isn't 80% engineers, spies and snieprs. Hopefully it staves off my desire to spend way more than I should on Overwatch. both scratch different itches. overwatch is faster, smaller and much more team focused(they both are but overwatch, you NEED a good team) arena shooter. TF2 is alot slower bigger teams and battlefields. idk.
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a lot of people are comparing it to tf2, so it is the new tf2, so what's the point of tf2?
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TF2 definitely scratches the same itch for me, just not as well since I've played a thousand hours of it and Overwatch is still novel.
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