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Batman: Activate the Knightfall Protocol. Me: [under my breath, shaking my fists a bit] Arkham Beyond, Arkham Beyond...
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May 15, 2016 19:31
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berryjon posted:So... where did Harley go? She was in the Studios with Robin, now she's vanished into She's still there and has a bunch of new lines, since she watched Crane nab Robin. Scruffy just didn't talk to her.
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May 15, 2016 19:39
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Waffleman_ posted:Batman: Activate the Knightfall Protocol. I wish. Also hahaha I love how you updated your av and it's even more glorious. edit: My favoirte part of that cutscene is Batman saying: What's wrong? Scared?  That just pure smug in all it's glory. Pissed off smug. But smug nonetheless. Shindragon fucked around with this message at 19:56 on May 15, 2016 |
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May 15, 2016 19:51
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It strikes me, of all superheroes, Batman is probably one of the ones least affected by being unmasked. Like, he has no real family, all his friends and allies are known associates of Batman already and already targets for his enemies, and his company and public persona are already major targets for criminals just because Waynetech is swimming in money and generously funding law enforcement to stop them anyway.
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May 15, 2016 19:56
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Omobono posted:[nitpick] And you don't waste the vengeance line on a side-villain inside an hallucination. Hell, you even have a similar setup here with Crane, have him taunt Bruce about Martha and Thomas.[/nitpick] That's how it was done originally, though. He never said it to Scarecrow. He said it to the hallucination of his worst fear, which was letting down his father at the time. Night10194 posted:It strikes me, of all superheroes, Batman is probably one of the ones least affected by being unmasked. Couldn't his company go under? Not to mention the possible lawsuits that could go against him.
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May 15, 2016 20:02
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Couldn't his company go under? Not to mention the possible lawsuits that could go against him. True, they could take away his most important superpower of unlimited money for his hobby.
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May 15, 2016 20:06
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:That's how it was done originally, though. He never said it to Scarecrow. He said it to the hallucination of his worst fear, which was letting down his father at the time. Yep, but it wasn't an iconic line at the time. Now it's iconic, so if you use it at all, if you cash in that nostalgia chip, I'd say it's better to use on the (ostensibly) main villain. (  of course. It's an incredibly minor complaint, I just wanted to rant a bit about the Jokerjack)
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May 15, 2016 20:17
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Omobono posted:Yep, but it wasn't an iconic line at the time. The line isn't really for other people though? Like it's Batman reasserting himself to himself. E: Batman on national tv, unmasked, ranting about how he's the scary big batman would be the silliest thing.
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May 15, 2016 20:20
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So congratulations to Scarecrow for beating Batman. He's done it. Batman is dead.
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May 15, 2016 23:13
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Huh, a bit of main plot that was genuinely entertaining and not cringe inducing. Where was this the rest of the game? Scarecrow curing Bruce of his Jokerjack disease while trying to break the bat on live tv was super funny. That and Bruce/Gordin/Robin/Red Hood's complete lack of interest in the tv broadcast after scarecrow was apprehended.
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May 15, 2016 23:22
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One thing that's actually kind of interesting is each of the villains shown here represent a part of Bruce/Batman's personality. At least that's how I read it. Penguin is the small child who uses money to fix his problems; The Riddler is his intelligence and Two-face is of course his sense of Justice. Each one is lost before the madness that would be the Bat-Joker.
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May 16, 2016 00:32
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One big note on how the game is implemented: pretty much every character from every sidequest and every environment in the game has entirely different lines for the postgame, now that the secret of Batman's identity is out. In particular, with the exceptions of Man-Bat and Hush (Wayne tower is locked down), every single villain reacts to the news as part of their dialogue.
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May 16, 2016 00:34
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Omobono posted:And you don't waste the vengeance line on a side-villain inside an hallucination. Last time he used it, he used it on a blimp. v  v
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May 16, 2016 00:36
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Two Face and Penguin have completely different conversations in the Batmobile, too.Lord_Magmar posted:One thing that's actually kind of interesting is each of the villains shown here represent a part of Bruce/Batman's personality. At least that's how I read it. Penguin is the small child who uses money to fix his problems; The Riddler is his intelligence and Two-face is of course his sense of Justice. Each one is lost before the madness that would be the Bat-Joker. What about Croc?
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May 16, 2016 00:37
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:What about Croc? Lust for violence?
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May 16, 2016 00:40
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Alexeythegreat posted:Lust for violence? Whoooooooooooooooooo!?
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May 16, 2016 01:04
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The parallels between villains and batman have less to do with the game's choices than that it's been a routine approach to developing Batman villains over the years. Many batman villains, successful or not, have been sort of "evil twins" of bruce or batman as their backstory and motivations.
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May 16, 2016 01:14
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What happens if you put off doing the Hush sidequest at all until the postgame?
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May 16, 2016 01:35
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Fedule posted:What happens if you put off doing the Hush sidequest at all until the postgame? That one is like very scripted, so yeah doesn't matter if you did the last story mission or not. It's kinda like it's own separate thing.
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May 16, 2016 02:12
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Fedule posted:What happens if you put off doing the Hush sidequest at all until the postgame? Not much changes- Eliot locked the building down and has been holed up in Wayne's office with Fox, incommunicado. There are still a couple line changes, particularly with Fox afterward and Alfred before.
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May 16, 2016 02:18
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Discendo Vox posted:Not much changes- Eliot locked the building down and has been holed up in Wayne's office with Fox, incommunicado. There are still a couple line changes, particularly with Fox afterward and Alfred before. I would guess the beforehand is "Master Bruce, be careful, he may know who you are" and the after is "I can't believe he didn't already know"
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May 16, 2016 02:38
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thecluckmeme posted:I would guess the beforehand is "Master Bruce, be careful, he may know who you are" and the after is "I can't believe he didn't already know" Nah, Alfred anticipates it since the lockdown is known- at that point, Elliot's presence is not.
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May 16, 2016 02:48
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I'll give the game this, its sound design is really something to behold. So much detail put into the voice work and the sheer number of lines in the game, even for small time thugs. I don't think we've heard very many repeat lines over the course of this playthrough.
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May 16, 2016 04:08
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This might be me misremembering something over the couple of months/years of gameplay scruffy has so helpfully demonstrated to us, but haven't we seen the old "Batman's worst fear is becoming Joker, but Joker's worst fear is Batman" trope been played out before? I get the weirdest sense of deja vu that we've gone over that plot point before in an Arkham game...
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May 16, 2016 04:41
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I may have missed one of the game's highly nuanced plot points in that last video but am I correct in assuming that it was dead-Robin who was tracking us and t-boned the truck we were in? But then why did whoever took the trouble to try and break us out leave us to be recaptured in another, identical truck while we went through our symbolic internal struggle? Was it so he could show up later and perform his two bitchin' trick shots before taking off again? Too bad he didn't show up a little sooner to save Tim from being gut shot, kinda a dick move there dead-Robin.
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May 16, 2016 04:46
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Psychotic Weasel posted:I may have missed one of the game's highly nuanced plot points in that last video but am I correct in assuming that it was dead-Robin who was tracking us and t-boned the truck we were in? Nope, the t-bone was part of the nightmare.
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May 16, 2016 04:47
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Ah, okay, I wasn't sure where one dream sequence ended and the other began.
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May 16, 2016 04:51
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Albu-quirky Guy posted:This might be me misremembering something over the couple of months/years of gameplay scruffy has so helpfully demonstrated to us, but haven't we seen the old "Batman's worst fear is becoming Joker, but Joker's worst fear is Batman" trope been played out before? I get the weirdest sense of deja vu that we've gone over that plot point before in an Arkham game... I thought it was pretty clear Joker's fear isn't Batman, it's being forgotten. Joker loves the hell out of Batman, it's Scarecrow that is afraid of Batman.
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May 16, 2016 04:52
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No, I get in the fear sequence in the latest video Joker's fear was being forgotten, but I could have sworn we did a bit at some point where Batman lost control because of the fear toxin and then Joker lost control back to Batman because of his fear? Or am I imagining things?
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May 16, 2016 05:00
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Albu-quirky Guy posted:No, I get in the fear sequence in the latest video Joker's fear was being forgotten, but I could have sworn we did a bit at some point where Batman lost control because of the fear toxin and then Joker lost control back to Batman because of his fear? Or am I imagining things? I think you're imagining things. Nothing like that has happened in any of the previous games that I can think of, though I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened in comics.
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May 16, 2016 05:07
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So Crane has shat his entire plan and reputation to hell by not only becoming a total laughing stock in front of the world, first basically making the most dangerous Batman ever by accident and then effectively making Batman immune now to I guess fear itself at this point again on accident(not to mention never noticing how HE loving HAD PUPIL COLOR CHANGES BETWEEN DOSES), being betrayed by the stool pigeon that fed him his information, and screaming like a little baby live on TV; but he also made the Batman legend stronger than ever. The first thing Batman does, technically as joker as far as we know, is just laugh at his stupid monologue between threatening rants. He takes off Batman's Mask and Bruce just says get ready for the encore and belts out a very familiar laugh. What I'm saying is this incident should be a meme for like a year in the in-game arkham world. SaffronKit posted:I thought it was pretty clear Joker's fear isn't Batman, it's being forgotten. Joker loves the hell out of Batman, it's Scarecrow that is afraid of Batman. Yeah, the Joker figment is scared of even Batman finally putting him down and forgetting about him because he doesn't need him to think like Joker because the real deal is dead and gone. But it's funny that even after getting almost eaten by Krock, Johnathan Crane is afraid of batman and that's why he wants his legend to die. Because he thinks that's what would make him not scary anymore, only Batman doesn't give a gently caress and that's why his legend is invincible. 3 billion dollars and your biggest fear is even stronger and Crane is a loving quivering mess for like the maybe year at most before his treason trial and execution. And if this is the end of Batman, well, what's to stop the Justice System from finally putting down his bad guys?
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May 16, 2016 05:16
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Crabtree posted:And if this is the end of Batman, well, what's to stop the Justice System from finally putting down his bad guys? Arkham Resurrection, starring Dick Grayson as Batman, Damian Wayne as Robin, and Bruce Wayne as Batman 1/3 of the way through the plot. Waynejacked!
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May 16, 2016 05:22
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I do kind of love that one of Jokers fears is Riddler and Harley hooking up.
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May 16, 2016 06:10
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Captian Nuke posted:I do kind of love that one of Jokers fears is Riddler and Harley hooking up. I think its more about Harley forgetting about Mister J than Joker having some fear about the Riddler.
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May 16, 2016 06:41
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Man if I were Batman I'd be kinda pissed about Red Hood showing up riiight after my secret was revealed to the world. I want a bonus scene where after Batman injects Crane, he just turns to Jason and goes "Really? NOW is when you make your face turn? Ugh... oh hey Tim are you alright?" So side question, does re-collecting your utility belt do anything like prevent you from getting in the truck or do you get to do sweet gadget takedowns on the Jokers
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May 16, 2016 06:43
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TwoPair posted:So side question, does re-collecting your utility belt do anything like prevent you from getting in the truck or do you get to do sweet gadget takedowns on the Jokers Re-collecting the utility belt will lock the truck doors, no toys where we're going
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May 16, 2016 07:11
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Now I kinda wonder if you could have just blasted Nigma's face with the shotgun while he held the hostage. Probably not. Honestly, that finishing act felt more than a little rushed. It had some amazing setpieces and references (and the Killing Joke was perfect), but Crabtree's right about how the story has been resolved. If anything, Crane hosed up in the most spectacular and public way, and somehow Jason felt it necessary to help now. Especially after the other Arkham games, this feels off.
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May 16, 2016 08:26
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Albu-quirky Guy posted:No, I get in the fear sequence in the latest video Joker's fear was being forgotten, but I could have sworn we did a bit at some point where Batman lost control because of the fear toxin and then Joker lost control back to Batman because of his fear? Or am I imagining things? Not exactly, but the game's climax draws a parallel to events that transpire over the course of the entire series. In each, Batman is injected with a poison and overcomes it and what it represents. In the first game, Batman overcame an injection of Titan that Joker had shot him with just before the (anti)climactic bossfight.
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May 16, 2016 08:54
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Dinictus posted:Now I kinda wonder if you could have just blasted Nigma's face with the shotgun while he held the hostage. Probably not. Yes, actually. The hostage and Penguin can be spared. Psychotic Weasel posted:Too bad he didn't show up a little sooner to save Tim from being gut shot, kinda a dick move there dead-Robin. Pretty sure Jason is still a little sore over the replacement.
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May 16, 2016 09:09
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Crabtree posted:So Crane has shat his entire plan and reputation to hell by not only becoming a total laughing stock in front of the world, first basically making the most dangerous Batman ever by accident and then effectively making Batman immune now to I guess fear itself at this point again on accident(not to mention never noticing how HE loving HAD PUPIL COLOR CHANGES BETWEEN DOSES), being betrayed by the stool pigeon that fed him his information, and screaming like a little baby live on TV; but he also made the Batman legend stronger than ever. The first thing Batman does, technically as joker as far as we know, is just laugh at his stupid monologue between threatening rants. He takes off Batman's Mask and Bruce just says get ready for the encore and belts out a very familiar laugh. What I'm saying is this incident should be a meme for like a year in the in-game arkham world. Disagree: If you look at the TVs during the freakout him knocking over the camera ends the broadcast; no one sees what happens next. Also, revealing that Bruce Wayne is Batman effectively kills Batman. He can't do what he does anymore without actual repercussions. Scarecrow won.  It was a Pyrrhic victory for him, but he accomplished his overall goal; end Batman.
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