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Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Suleyman was rather Magnificent, wasn't he?

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Heavy Sigh
Nov 13, 2011

They've planted corn everywhere.

Soiled Meat
Cato the Younger: All you have is history and hate.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



What if it's Constantine

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa

Tunicate posted:

The answer is Charlemagne, and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise.

I would also accept Belisarius

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

I CAN'T SAY PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THAT GUY FROM HARRY POTTER AND I'M AFRAID I'LL SUMMON HIM. DONALD JOHN TRUMP. YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
OUR 47TH PRESIDENT AFTER THE ONE WHO SHOWERS WITH HIS DAUGHTER DIES
Grimey Drawer

Squalid posted:

And I'd try and end each lesson by tying history back to China or the student's modern lives somehow.

Like, what's the phallic graffiti scene in China like, ancient and modern?

Content:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160510124835.htm

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene_Israel

At some point, every one gets around and has sex with everyone else.

Even your grandparents.

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009
Agrippa :colbert:

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Otteration posted:

Like, what's the phallic graffiti scene in China like, ancient and modern?

Content:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160510124835.htm

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene_Israel

At some point, every one gets around and has sex with everyone else.

Even your grandparents.

Wow way to devalue the lbtgqt Comunidad

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.


Agrippa was the man. The one, singular actually loyal man.

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa
ooh ya Agrippa is a good one

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
Nicholas II last heir of Rome.

Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.
interim commissioner appointed after mayor of rome was forced to stand down true heir of rome

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Agrippa..... :allears:

Agrippa.... :swoon:

the above excerpts may or may not have been doodled in Augustus' sketchbook.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Got to be Augustus, he played everyone like a bunch of chumps :allears:

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?
Ask / Tell › Ask me about Roman/Greek/other ancient history: Human history is always about murder and sex.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

And agricultural technologies. :colbert:

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Arglebargle III posted:

And agricultural technologies. :colbert:

Only because that creates more people to gently caress and/or murder

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

ThatBasqueGuy posted:

more people to murder

Oh great, now the Assyrians are gonna show up :mad:

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Justinian: You're a Donald Trump voter

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

Thump! posted:

Justinian: You're a Donald Trump voter

Tiberius Gracchus: You feel the Bern :allears:

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014
Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!
I just found an article from 3 years ago, I don't know if it was ever posted in this thread, I think its kind of cool even if not exactly ancient history:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/meet-the-fantastically-bejeweled-skeletons-of-catholicisms-forgotten-martyrs-284882/?no-ist

Pump it up! Do it!
Oct 3, 2012
What about Spartacus :ussr:?

Comrade Koba posted:

Tiberius Gracchus: You feel the Bern :allears:
Gaius Gracchus: you don't learn from history

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe
Going with King Numa. How can you not go with the best?

sbaldrick
Jul 19, 2006
Driven by Hate

Dalael posted:

I just found an article from 3 years ago, I don't know if it was ever posted in this thread, I think its kind of cool even if not exactly ancient history:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/meet-the-fantastically-bejeweled-skeletons-of-catholicisms-forgotten-martyrs-284882/?no-ist

I always love crazy local Saints but I was under the impression they died out in the 12th century, I learned something new today.

Xander77
Apr 6, 2009

Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.



BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Harold Bloom described it well:
No. Any sentence that starts with "Harold Bloom claims" is untrue as an axiom.

...

In the (former) Soviet Union, quite a bit of popular Roman studies were focused around slavery and Spartacus. It's a good conflict that will have students rooting for the underdog, a good place to start talking about economic systems, and introduces a few people who will be relevant during the Triumvirate etc.

In Israel, things are (as ever) focused on the Jewish angle. The rebellion / wars, Romes interactions with client states.

If your students are particularly Christian, switch from the crucifixion to Roman law enforcement etc. Just... find a hook that will work specifically for the kids you're teaching rather than "which parts of Roman history are sexy and action-packed enough for kids these days".

Xander77 fucked around with this message at 08:09 on May 18, 2016

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

Xander77 posted:

No. Any sentence that starts with "Harold Bloom claims" is untrue as an axiom.
i like you

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

Xander77 posted:

No. Any sentence that starts with "Harold Bloom claims" is untrue as an axiom.


:allears: You sure showed how he was wrong

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Lord Tywin posted:

What about Spartacus :ussr:?


Or Arminius.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Jerusalem posted:

Oh great, now the Assyrians are gonna show up :mad:

:mrgw: Murder you say? *sharpens flaying knives.*

Doctor Malaver
May 23, 2007

Ce qui s'est passé t'a rendu plus fort
Are there any movies or other recordings with actors speaking Latin? Proper Latin, like what we think it sounded at the time the movie takes place.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

Doctor Malaver posted:

Are there any movies or other recordings with actors speaking Latin? Proper Latin, like what we think it sounded at the time the movie takes place.

The only one that comes to mind is Derek Jarman's Sebastiane.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bmvVZX9Frc
If you don't like somewhat homoerotic arthouse films than it's probably not your bag.

LLSix
Jan 20, 2010

The real power behind countless overlords

Towards the end of the republic you have lone governors raising armies large enough to conquer Rome's neighbors. Then sometime around Marcus Aurelius emperors suddenly can't find enough soldiers to fight on even one front. It seems like every decade or so they strip legions off the Rhine to go East or out of the East to help on the Rhine only to get shanked wherever they pulled troops out of.

What happened to Rome that suddenly it can't manage to raise enough soldiers to defend its borders without an Emperor sitting right on the border?

LLSix fucked around with this message at 03:48 on May 26, 2016

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


One of the big things was the extension of citizenship to everyone in the empire. Up to that point, citizenship was a huge reward that got dangled out in exchange for service, and the legions had no problem recruiting with that carrot. This also went with a general trend towards serving in the legions being lovely. Earlier in Rome's history, if you were a nobody then joining a legion was one of the better ways to make a life. Citizenship, good pay, food, medical care, etc. As those benefits withered away, and the lack of aggressive wars removed other enticements like looting, it became harder and harder to find anyone willing to join up.

The border armies also became less effective because to make up for the recruiting shortfalls, they had to start recruiting non-Romans. So when a German tribe rolls across the border to raid, they find a Roman legion that's 50% dudes from that tribe and they have no interest in fighting their kinsmen.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
The Antonine Plague didn't help matters either.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Yep. That and the Plague of Justinian were nice big hammer blows on a system already stressed by the other factors.

BurningStone
Jun 3, 2011
It's pretty clear the Roman Empire suffered from a long term population drop. Why this happened is a hot debate.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Buttsex, obviously.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

They used so much contraception that they hunted the plant into extinction, and at that point they were so tired of boning they just stopped.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Wonder why farming it didn't catch on.

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.

Doctor Malaver posted:

Are there any movies or other recordings with actors speaking Latin? Proper Latin, like what we think it sounded at the time the movie takes place.

I poked around and found http://www.rhapsodes.fll.vt.edu/Latin.htm which isn't actors, but rather academics, reading Latin in classical pronunciation. I couldn't find any dialogues that were free, but there are textbooks that feature pronunciation lessons and those usually have supplemental recordings.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

LingcodKilla posted:

Wonder why farming it didn't catch on.

Silphium (the contraceptive plant in question) just wasn't cultivatable, and you can bet they tried hard to cultivate it. Farming is a lot more complicated then just getting the seeds and planting them.

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