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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:She led the last major talks between leaders of Israel and Palestine and initiated the negotiations for the Iran deal -- both of which were ideas she supported. I'm sorry not everyone is an unfeeling robot who would just shrug after something bad happened to them or their family based on the decisions of someone you support. people's experiences and feelings influence their decisions. I would expect you to understand this.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:She's also very openly a proponent of diplomatic engagement as the first option. This reminds me of the whole "Hillary didn't vote to invade Iraq! Look at her speech about her vote on the AUMF. She totally thought we were going to be using diplomacy." As a not even particularly reluctant Hillary voter (went Sanders in primary for the quixotic reason of hoping it would help push her to the left, but have always planned to vote for her in the fall and don't particularly see Bernie as a good candidate) that argument really bothers me because it assumes she was really naive which I just don't buy.
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Mr Hootington posted:I'm sorry not everyone is an unfeeling robot who would just shrug after something bad happened to them or their family based on the decisions of someone you support. people's experiences and feelings influence their decisions. That doesn't entitle you to your own set of special facts though.
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AbsoluteLlama posted:- Climate change. Neither Dems or Republicans take this seriously at all (at least Democrats acknowledge that it exists as a platform) This comes across as a rather strange attempt at a "both sides are the same" stretch.
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Luigi Thirty posted:College prep has a new dimension: Nashville high schools are partnering with local coffee chain Bongo Java to teach students how to be baristas and pay their way through college. It's the South, you shouldn't expect any better
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:That doesn't entitle you to your own set of special facts though. The fact is Hillary was a strong supporter of a form of intervention in Libya. This is the only fact that matters to that particular voter because of how it turned their world upside down. It is the same with people that do not like her because of trade deals. Nafta may have caused them to lose their "good" factory job and they have been floundering since. Their world was destroyed. You can't make everyone happy or see your way. The best is to try and make things better for them as they fight against you.
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Taerkar posted:This comes across as a rather strange attempt at a "both sides are the same" stretch. The "both parties are so bad" thing is such an annoying view. It is, the CNN Of Political Views. Mr Hootington posted:The fact is Hillary was a strong supporter of a form of intervention in Libya. This is the only fact that matters to that particular voter because of how it turned their world upside down. woosh
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icantfindaname posted:It's the South, you shouldn't expect any better Oh, ok.
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AbsoluteLlama posted:Not sure what's so bad about 'one issue'. What does that even mean? These are big issues for you. Try and et involved in the local and state parties and push the agenda you think is right. I can say from experience that it works. You can remove, change, or add good parts to the party platform or to get politicians to stay looking at the issue. Even better if you educate and inform your fellow voters.
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Alright fess up. Which of you think Hillary will be prosecuted bu the FBI or whatecer. Come on let's hear it.
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SSNeoman posted:Alright fess up. Which of you think Hillary will be prosecuted bu the FBI or whatecer. Come on let's hear it. The Email poo poo is just Benghazi 2.0, and Benghazi was just Whitewater 2.0, and  people too dumb to realize that.
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SSNeoman posted:Alright fess up. Which of you think Hillary will be prosecuted bu the FBI or whatecer. Come on let's hear it. Where is scribe?
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:That doesn't entitle you to your own set of special facts though. "Sorry your home got exploded by a robot, but if you did a quantitative analysis you'd understand that this is a good thing" A Winner is Jew posted:The Email poo poo is just Benghazi 2.0, and Benghazi was just Whitewater 2.0, and The email thing is a problem but it's indicative of a total failure of netsec in the wider government that's been a problem since the internet existed, rather than a hillary problem, whereas whitewater and benghazi were completely manufactured.
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Shbobdb posted:Super nixonian, don't you agree? I'm excited for a raging technocrat to get weird with it. I want you to know I got this joke, and it's a good one. gradenko_2000 posted:Refresh my memory, but did Jeb Bush actually say "[something], boy, I don't know" during the primaries because it came up in the West Wing and now I can't tell if I just hallucinated Jeb saying it IRL. Perhaps Trump, talking about Gentle Ben and the 7th Day Adventists? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/25/donald-trump-no-apology-for-questioning-ben-carsons-seventh-day-adventist-faith/ posted:"I'm Presbyterian, he said. "Boy, that's down the middle of the road, folks, in all fairness. I mean, Seventh-day Adventist, I don't know about. I just don't know about."
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Yeah. I definitely care about the E-mail scandal, but not because it makes me think Hillary is terrible and untrustworthy. It's because of how it reflects on the state of IT infrastructure and security within government offices. But then again, I am actually passingly familiar with the technology involved and am good at looking at the broader implications of a small problem. Most people criticizing it aren't.
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SSNeoman posted:Alright fess up. Which of you think Hillary will be prosecuted bu the FBI or whatecer. Come on let's hear it. There's a whole thread devoted to the topic over in YCS that definitely has a handful of people who really think that indictment is coming any day now. Which is isn't. You can't tell me the FBI doesn't have a single Dem-leaning person in its upper echelons who doesn't want to see the country go down in flames to Donald J. Motherfucking Trump and isn't willing to make even the slightest anonymous tip to any politician that the FBI's going to do anything before the election, at the very, absolute least. Bureaucratic public institutions might not be political in the traditional sense, but they're made up of people with political convictions and usually some sense of civic duty.
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Bushiz posted:"Sorry your home got exploded by a robot, but if you did a quantitative analysis you'd understand that this is a good thing" totally what i said Combed Thunderclap posted:There's a whole thread devoted to the topic over in YCS that definitely has a handful of people who really think that indictment is coming any day now. The FBI doesn't have the power to indict. DOJ does.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Depends what you mean by "Democratic Causes". The democratic party of 10 years ago is not the democratic party of today. Aren't you the guy who's seriously worried about declining white influence in America
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:The FBI doesn't have the power to indict. DOJ does. Whoops, yes.
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Gyges posted:Second, and more as a Hail Mary, if that 3rd party actually somehow wins enough Electoral College votes the election gets thrown to the House. Then the House can save the Nation by installing the totally not a Republican 3rd party candidate. This is especially unlikely without Bernie running as well, but theoretically possible. Someone has to win a majority of the Electoral College, not a plurality, in order for the election to not be thrown to the House. This is almost impossible in a 3 way race like this because it also requires the 3rd party candidate to take away enough Dem votes to make Clinton lose several states. Ross Perot got almost 19% of the vote in 1992 and Bill Clinton won with 370 EVs while only getting 43% of the total vote. Even if he'd only gotten 40% he would have still won the election. Also if you think a NeverTrump 3rd party candidate is going to be handed the White House and that the Trump-supporting House members won't sooner shed blood (or that the Dems wouldn't unanimously back Clinton) you're crazy. There isn't a single person the GOP could run as a 3rd party that wouldn't help the Dems far more than hurt them, while also likely risking multiple otherwise safe House seats and a lot of toss up ones. There is no path to victory for the GOP in a 3rd party race. It will likely shatter the party if they actually try it. At the least it would take a flip of the senate from possible to very likely.
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Rafza posted:the sports talk guy? what did he do Nah it is the Texas junior governor or whatever. Does more have to be said past "Texas"?
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Mr Hootington posted:Nah it is the Texas junior governor or whatever. Does more have to be said past "Texas"? in my defense, i'm reading like seven threads right now and someone in my office is listening to sportsguy dan patrick the texas lt gov dan patrick is a moron
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Trabisnikof posted:Haha isn't that minority majority state just filled with idiots amirite! I'm a minority in this state and yes, it is.
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Trabisnikof posted:Haha isn't that minority majority state just filled with idiots amirite! 
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Bushiz posted:The email thing is a problem but it's indicative of a total failure of netsec in the wider government that's been a problem since the internet existed, rather than a hillary problem, whereas whitewater and benghazi were completely manufactured.  The "completely manufactured" stuff re: the email thing is because the horrific state of USGOV IT security is somehow all her fault.
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Evil Fluffy posted:This is almost impossible in a 3 way race like this because it also requires the 3rd party candidate to take away enough Dem votes to make Clinton lose several states. Ross Perot got almost 19% of the vote in 1992 and Bill Clinton won with 370 EVs while only getting 43% of the total vote. Even if he'd only gotten 40% he would have still won the election. Also if you think a NeverTrump 3rd party candidate is going to be handed the White House and that the Trump-supporting House members won't sooner shed blood (or that the Dems wouldn't unanimously back Clinton) you're crazy. There isn't a single person the GOP could run as a 3rd party that wouldn't help the Dems far more than hurt them, while also likely risking multiple otherwise safe House seats and a lot of toss up ones. Very true, but then you aren't sure that the country hates Hillary and that damned Trump is loving this all up. If Trump actually does have people staying home because they can't vote for him and they can't vote for Hillary, a 3rd party GOP candidate probably helps the down ticket though. Everyone voting for them is voting otherwise straight Republican.
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Zeroisanumber posted:There is no chance that Hillary goes down for the email thing. If the FBI were gunning for her, they'd have charged some subordinates by now and would have Huma in a hotbox trying to get her to roll on her boss. Great username/post combo here. Also I happen to agree.
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icantfindaname posted:It's the South, you shouldn't expect any better It's a KIPP school, so they're just leveraging unique synergy opportunities for the local marketplace.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Dan Patrick really is a vile piece of poo poo. 
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AbsoluteLlama posted:- Single payer healthcare. Please elaborate on why you wouldn't accept German/Swiss/Swedish/many others etc multi-payer UHC instead, which gets the same results or often better ones, for comparable costs to the public.
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AbsoluteLlama posted:A lot of issues, but mainly I'd like to a party have a strong stance against endless wars. Hillary certainly isn't getting my vote. My partner is from Libya and we had the recent 'joy' of watching her reckless policies completely destroy the country so it'll take a lot to convince me. The strongest argument for bombing Libya was that Gaddafi was close to winning the civil war, and his public vows to go door to door exterminating people looked like an impending genocide. Maybe that reading of the situation was inaccurate, and for better or worse we'll never know for sure what would have happened without international intervention. But if there's ever a valid argument for the use of military force, halting an impending genocide is it. Standing by and allowing civilians to be systematically executed by the thousands is not peace. The Democratic party has already taken a strong stance against "endless wars", and its been carried out by the Obama administration. Throughout the entirety of his administration, Obama has consistently worked to deescalate conflicts, strengthen international cooperation, and has generally been pretty dang successful at it. When he fails, its almost always due to factors outside the administration's control (ex: Putin, ISIS/Syria). When all else fails and military force is used, the administration consistently looks to build international coalitions & consensus, and employs the minimum amount of military force possible. Hillary was a major part of that administration, and her campaign is largely based off continuing it's policies. Sanders is a party outsider, and even he doesn't want to be perceived as running against the Obama administration. Any Democratic president who gets the nation involved in another bloody occupation is going to be seen as a failure, and rejected by the party. There is simply no room in the modern Democratic party for the sort of military adventurism we saw in the Bush years. They are not, however, isolationists. If you're anti-war, that can be a very good thing. The best example of this is the Iran deal, which is far preferable to both an ill conceived invasion (chicken-hawk republicans) or running the risk of Iran sparking a new nuclear arms race (mind-your-own-business isolationism).
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