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Foehammer007 posted:anyone with a clean employment history in 2016 is an obvious spy okay I don't care about being a 'spy'... I care about being a 'threat'.
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Dr. Pangloss posted:And the point Aapir is making is that Fabius had a working strategy because Rome and the towns could be hardened against invasion and Hannibal lacked the army to take Rome. If Hannibal had a larger army, he would have done exactly what the MBC has done to us, Fabius or no. Many believe that if Hasdrubal had been able to reinforce Hannibal, he would have been able to do just that. Pretty much. The worst part is the people denying that we lost like "this is all part of the plan!". We lost by every metric I can think of, we are sitting in Low Sec talking about how "we'll get dek back in like 6 months, have fun not fighting us!!" and trying not to undock anything fun. I'm not even sure why we are still here, it's not like goons haven't lost everything multiple times before. Why haven't we just swallowed our pride, laughed at how poorly we handled this, and moved on? Like if you are looking at this situation and thinking anything else other than "lol, poo poo" you need to take a good hard look around. The Fabian Strategy may work better in real life where this is all you have, but in Eve you can go to another corp, gently caress off to wormholes, or just not play anymore. Do they really think people will hang around for 6 months of sword fleets from Saranen? YouTuber posted:Drop the neuts and put projectile weapons in there to speed up kills. You're not going to get any use out of them. You need to be in and out of the engagement quickly and capping people out doesn't work towards that. The projectile weapons add like 200-300dps depending on skills. But if you are getting in close enough to use unbonused AC's, aren't you close enough for the neuts to be used?
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ullerrm posted:Genuine question -- does anyone think that there's room for a no-politics-allowed "Eve game mechanics" thread? If this was my trainset I would have an eve sub forum at this point and I don't even play the loving game.
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Xolve posted:I don't care about being a 'spy'... I care about being a 'threat'. I think you can only threaten to be better poster??/ that was a fun try
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Richard Bong posted:Pretty much. I was going to write up something similar along the lines, but this is pretty on the nose so I'll chuck out an unironic "same".
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May 16, 2016 21:00
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The "wait for them to get bored" strategy has the potential to pay off, but I feel that right now there's a shortfall in having our own guys not get bored either. It's no use having the other guys no longer caring about fighting in Dek if nobody is left when it's time to undertake any kind of reconquista. I'm not bored, I'm doing my own thing and will throw knives when the time comes but idk if that works for other people.
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May 16, 2016 21:18
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YES nice try goons on that titan
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May 16, 2016 21:22
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Vando posted:The "wait for them to get bored" strategy has the potential to pay off, but I feel that right now there's a shortfall in having our own guys not get bored either. It's no use having the other guys no longer caring about fighting in Dek if nobody is left when it's time to undertake any kind of reconquista. Any other option would be better than what we're doing right now. Invading somewhere else, or asking Death for a couch to sleep on. If PL/NC. want to come piss off the bear just to poo poo on us I'm fine w/that.
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May 16, 2016 21:26
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Foehammer007 posted:YES nice try goons on that titan Oh jesus what did we do now
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May 16, 2016 21:29
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Goatman Sacks posted:Oh jesus what did we do now We caught four titans in Saranen and hit them with welpcanes/bombers. Didn't manage to take down a titan, did manage to take down one of the FAXes they jumped in to save it. Oh well, we'll get it next time. Lost a bunch of the welpcanes but that's what they're for.
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Goatman Sacks posted:Oh jesus what did we do now Be prepared for a day of smugness where we killed an shot a Titan and then killed an Apostle in about 5x times the amount of time it should have taken. I don't know if the FCs were overloaded, expected more agency from the average line member, or forgot how to use welpcanes, but that was a pretty depressing showing on our part.
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nessin posted:Be prepared for a day of smugness where we killed an shot a Titan and then killed an Apostle in about 5x times the amount of time it should have taken. I don't know if the FCs were overloaded, expected more agency from the average line member, or forgot how to use welpcanes, but that was a pretty depressing showing on our part.    on getting a shield erebus to Xolve fucked around with this message at 21:37 on May 16, 2016 |
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nessin posted:Be prepared for a day of smugness where we killed an shot a Titan and then killed an Apostle in about 5x times the amount of time it should have taken. I don't know if the FCs were overloaded, expected more agency from the average line member, or forgot how to use welpcanes, but that was a pretty depressing showing on our part. There's really only one way to get good at grabbing opportunities like this, and that's grabbing at them and learning from your mistakes. I don't get why you'd think it was depressing, didn't work out but it was a good shot at it. Xolve posted:
Yeah i think a lot of people assumed it was armor-tanked so the damage inflicted seemed a lot less impressive. If it was armor-tanked it would have been a pretty bad performance but they got solidly into the tanking layer.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Any other option would be better than what we're doing right now. Invading somewhere else, or asking Death for a couch to sleep on. If PL/NC. want to come piss off the bear just to poo poo on us I'm fine w/that. Fighting Russians is dumb because they live in Russian timezone.
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evilweasel posted:There's really only one way to get good at grabbing opportunities like this, and that's grabbing at them and learning from your mistakes. I don't get why you'd think it was depressing, didn't work out but it was a good shot at it I wish more people on your side of the fence had this attitude. In before "begging for fights".
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Rhymenoserous posted:Any other option would be better than what we're doing right now. Invading somewhere else, or asking Death for a couch to sleep on. If PL/NC. want to come piss off the bear just to poo poo on us I'm fine w/that. I agree that anyone who thinks the current strategy will "work" (in the sense of, back in Dek after the AT) is crazypants, but from I'm not convinced we had many other credible options. I dunno about now, but MBC was pretty vocal early on about how they were going to follow us until we ceased to exist in any meaningful way. Considering most of them are either hobos to begin with or gave up their sov to fight the goon menace, how many would decide to stay and rat in the north vs following PL and its various hangers-on? If we're going to get followed by a huge blob wherever we go, why not chill where we are and enjoy a proliferation of targets? Yeah it means we have to stick to cheap fleets but it seems like a good training ground for new FCs and probably wouldn't be too different anywhere else. I'll confess to ignorance of our current relationship with the Russians beyond them stomping on the Drone Walkers for violating neutrality.
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I have basically no faith in the whole "PL will get bored and leave...they must leave" thing. If we had NC. in a similar position, would we get bored and go away, or would we ~twist the knife~ while stabbing them in the chest hurf blurf tildes? Pretty sure I know which way I'd vote.
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VideoGames posted:I am enjoying a Modulated Strip Miner II currently do you have mining crystals  T2 strip miners are actually *worse* than T1 strip miners if you can't use mining crystals 
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bangers and hash posted:I have basically no faith in the whole "PL will get bored and leave...they must leave" thing. If we had NC. in a similar position, would we get bored and go away, or would we ~twist the knife~ while stabbing them in the chest hurf blurf tildes? Pretty sure I know which way I'd vote. Empirical evidence shows that we'd gently caress off after flying a mission accomplished banner because we are stupid as gently caress.
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Richard Bong posted:
The issue we had is the Myrmidons would MJD away. So we were required to use a scrambler on the Stratios. This would leave us vulnerable to bait ships who counter scramble us. Scramblers only cost 4.5 cap. You regen this before each cycle of the neut hits so they can run scramblers from dry. Once you're engaged against a bait ship it's essentially pushing all your chips into the pile. Neuts aren't going to get you away from them, just brute force blowing them down before their help shows up. These people are going to be tanking an entire anomaly worth of stuff in addition to your highly specialized ship.
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Why don't you guys get suicide tempests rather than hurricanes for supercap gank attempts like that? You'd get almost twice the dps per character in fleet, and you had a mach doctrine so you've presumably got no shortage of guys with the right skills.
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Xolve posted:I wish more people on your side of the fence had this attitude. Gambling a relatively cheap fleet for a chance to score outsized damage with it is pretty much in line with our tactics the entire time, it's just those opportunities haven't really existed so far besides the occasional dumb carrier in saranen or marauder-hacker somewhere else. It doesn't mean that we should start taking brawls we're not going to win though, just that when we catch you doing something dumb we should try to take advantage of it. That's the whole point of asymmetrical warfare 
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Rhymenoserous posted:Empirical evidence shows that we'd gently caress off after flying a mission accomplished banner because we are stupid as gently caress. do you think anyone will write a book about how goons let pl go in this fashion post B-R and how they now are endlessly curbstomping goons? id read a chapter of a book about this
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LemonDrizzle posted:Why don't you guys get suicide tempests rather than hurricanes for supercap gank attempts like that? You'd get almost twice the dps per character in fleet, and you had a mach doctrine so you've presumably got no shortage of guys with the right skills. Among other reasons: we have a current fleet doctrine that uses hurricanes for other things so when we have a sudden urgent need for a supercap gank fleet we're going to get way more than double the hurricanes as tempests because people don't have tempests sitting around fitted and ready to go.
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Vando posted:The "wait for them to get bored" strategy has the potential to pay off, but I feel that right now there's a shortfall in having our own guys not get bored either. It's no use having the other guys no longer caring about fighting in Dek if nobody is left when it's time to undertake any kind of reconquista. It's not inconceivable that in the last few years, what it takes to keep the Statistically Average Goon Line Member amused and logging in has changed quite a bit, and we have to catch up to that.
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evilweasel posted:Gambling a relatively cheap fleet for a chance to score outsized damage with it is pretty much in line with our tactics the entire time, it's just those opportunities haven't really existed so far besides the occasional dumb carrier in saranen or marauder-hacker somewhere else. It doesn't mean that we should start taking brawls we're not going to win though, just that when we catch you doing something dumb we should try to take advantage of it. That's the whole point of asymmetrical warfare I meant simply capitalizing on a moment where we're being stupid (this happens at an alarming rate in TYOOL 2016) and rolling the dice for a titan kill. LemonDrizzle posted:Why don't you guys get suicide tempests rather than hurricanes for supercap gank attempts like that? You'd get almost twice the dps per character in fleet, and you had a mach doctrine so you've presumably got no shortage of guys with the right skills. Man do I not miss hauling around herocats.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Empirical evidence shows that we'd gently caress off after flying a mission accomplished banner because we are stupid as gently caress. A valid point. Ok, pretend I mentioned someone who wasn't retarded. 
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Blazing Zero posted:do you think anyone will write a book about how goons let pl go in this fashion post B-R and how they now are endlessly curbstomping goons? id read a chapter of a book about this We never let PL go. We stuck a deal where they could extract in exchange for leaving the N3 coalition. That check is signed and cashed.
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A whole lot of welpcanes fitting arty in that BR Also lol at assuming anything with more than 5 mids is going to be armor tanked with how broken CCP made shield tanking post-citadel. It's a shame avatars don't have 6 mids anymore or else you could probably make a better shield tanked avatar.
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Goatman Sacks posted:A whole lot of welpcanes fitting arty in that BR What changed to make shield-tanking so much better, I must have missed this.
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Goatman Sacks posted:It's a shame avatars don't have 6 mids anymore or else you could probably make a better shield tanked avatar. Avatar also has ridiculously tight CPU, making re-fits a pain in the rear end.
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evilweasel posted:What changed to make shield-tanking so much better, I must have missed this. capital shield extenders forgot to follow the normal pattern of shield extenders being about half as effective as their equivalent in plates. Xolve posted:Avatar also has ridiculously tight CPU, making re-fits a pain in the rear end. 8 lows - 3 hs, dc, fit as many coprocs as you need!
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Goatman Sacks posted:8 lows - 3 hs, dc, fit as many coprocs as you need! Seems legit!
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Goatman Sacks posted:capital shield extenders forgot to follow the normal pattern of shield extenders being about half as effective as their equivalent in plates. They also take ~80% of the powergrid instead of 30% 
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Zephyrine posted:We never let PL go. We stuck a deal where they could extract in exchange for leaving the N3 coalition. That check is signed and cashed. You never could have stopped them from leaving in the first place, PL is quite willing to just gently caress off and play another game for a week or two. We did it when Billy Merc botched the entry into VFK. Goonswarm just stared at a shitload of bubbles for a week or two while we were doing scrims against TEST in BC2.
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YouTuber posted:You never could have stopped them from leaving in the first place, PL is quite willing to just gently caress off and play another game for a week or two. We did it when Billy Merc botched the entry into VFK. Goonswarm just stared at a shitload of bubbles for a week or two while we were doing scrims against TEST in BC2. Why did you retards ever even try the VFK headshot in the first place anyway, "Following Billy Merc" just doesn't sound like a very smart thing to do
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Goatman Sacks posted:Why did you retards ever even try the VFK headshot in the first place anyway, "Following Billy Merc" just doesn't sound like a very smart thing to do The entire north just collapsed and Goonswarm was pretty much the last remaining part of the old NC. It was reasonable at the time, just botched.
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evilweasel posted:The entire north just collapsed and Goonswarm was pretty much the last remaining part of the old NC. It was reasonable at the time, just botched. Yeah it was entirely plausible at the time, just not in any way like that.
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ChickenWing posted:How's being a mod again deadtear? I haven't posted much on gf.com in a while so I haven't been able to see your handiwork firsthand hellow chikkun
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evilweasel posted:The entire north just collapsed and Goonswarm was pretty much the last remaining part of the old NC. It was reasonable at the time, just botched. the old NC basically lost in geminate, then it was a steady cruise west for the invaders, and there was very little resistance as 5 regions (geminate, vale, tenal, branch, tribute) were blitzed in a few weeks nobody really thought that one big morale speech would be able to stuff about 1500-2k dudes in VFK for a few weeks
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