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Max posted:This and they didn't know that the doors were barred. They probably assumed "Whoah, she's crazy" and decided to book it out of the hut and figured she would just burn to death anyway, if they even thought that far ahead. More likely they thought "FIRE." In any scenario, that is the correct solution to a rapidly spreading fire. The real miracle is not that dany is fireproof, but that she can breathe smoke and not asphyxiate.
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El Hefe posted:Is there even a single actual likable character left in this show? I hate them all. I am waiting for Bad Pussy kill Bronn and I can stop watching the show.
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May 16, 2016 21:41
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Goons itt who are actively upset about how Game of Thrones is going should probably just switch to watching Penny Dreadful on Sunday evenings. It's good enough that I don't know what the showrunners' names are, because I don't need to rage against them on a weekly basis.
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May 16, 2016 21:49
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GaussianCopula posted:From a Sophie Turner interview "its just rape, its not like she died or anything" 
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https://fat.gfycat.com/GlitteringEntireHoiho.mp4
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May 16, 2016 21:52
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Ghosthotel posted:"its just rape, its not like she died or anything" lol
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May 16, 2016 21:54
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Truly my favorite moment this whole season
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May 16, 2016 21:54
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I never understood shipping until just now
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Ghosthotel posted:"its just rape, its not like she died or anything" Well, they've both has experience being penetrated against their will.
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May 16, 2016 21:55
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theres no other way to read he what he said that isn't him downplaying her rape + 5 seasons of emotional/sexual abuse but yah lol
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Soothing Vapors posted:I never understood shipping until just now
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May 16, 2016 21:57
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Soothing Vapors posted:I never understood shipping until just now Yeah.... I don't know what happened to me, but the second I saw his face as she rode into town it turned me into a little school girl. I want this to happen so bad.
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May 16, 2016 22:00
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Hope there will be brock samson and warriana levels going down e: 
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May 16, 2016 22:06
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I don't want to crash the party, but chances are that they won't see each other again after Brienne rides south. Just saying.
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May 16, 2016 22:10
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She still has her loving hair! 
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Laziness is a fine way of describing the main problem with the show, because everything has become so over-simplified and caricature-like that the plot, the characters, and the themes are not well-served at all. The reason people are frustrated with characters like Daenerys and Ramsay, more than any specific logical concerns with individual scenes, is because they're never challenged in any significant way. Throughout the series, both the books and the earlier seasons of the show, most other characters are really made to struggle with emotional and material challenges. Challenges to their sense of competence or worth, their convictions, the justness of their cause, etc. Even when they win, their victories are frequently pyrrhic ones, and their experiences change them. A prime example of that would be Robb. Now, I've seen people in this thread say Robb is boring, but I think he's still a worthwhile example because he's not even one of the main characters in the books. Even though Robb has magic wolf powers, is made the King of the largest of the seven kingdoms, and is known for never losing a battle, we still see him struggle tremendously with his duty as king and the conflicting rules and beliefs present in Westerosi society. We watch him struggle with keeping all of his allies happy, even the ones who don't turn traitor, as he must navigate the diplomatic and political concerns of different lords with very different personalities and desires. It is emphasized that, even though he is a decent and noble person overall, he is not entirely blameless for what has happened to the Riverlands, nor is everyone who opposes him pure evil(though admittedly, the Boltons and most of the Lannisters and Freys are pretty bad). Even a simple act of trying to spare a woman who he has come to love from the dishonor their society would shame her with(in the books) or do one thing for himself that is heedless of political or societal concerns(in the show) contributes significantly to his undoing. He never gets justice or vengeance against those who truly wronged his family, either. Daenerys, on the other hand, especially in the show, is a character against whom there is almost never any real pushback. Everybody that opposes her is barely given a name, is cartoonishly evil even by the standards of a story that has somewhat of a tendency toward that, and is dispatched with relative ease while triumphant music plays. The closest thing to a pyrrhic victory she has is the loss of her family in season 1, but even that only empowers her in the long run and the situation doesn't ultimately raise any meaningfully difficult questions. Every character who joins her side becomes totally enslaved by her charisma and seemingly has no desires left beyond seeing her succeed. Pretty much every indication given by the writers and the actress implies that we are meant to accept this at face value as heroic and cool, so any hopes that this character will truly be challenged and deconstructed seem unlikely at best. Ramsay is much the same way, though in his case he's a villain so the motivation is, I suppose, to make him seem formidable so we'll be excited when he finally fails. But this is a problem that has become more and more commonplace in the show as a whole. There are occasional flashes of possible complexity or nuance, like in the scene where Tyrion and the former slaves argue over what the best course of action is against the various slave owners, but we'll have to see if that has any kind of satisfying pay off or if it's just preparing us for yet another scene of the cartoon bad guys getting killed by dragons or stabbed in the back. These days it seems like there's very little political intrigue at all, just people getting killed or threatening to kill people. The characters are largely caricatures of themselves, which has been elaborated on by many others already, and the plot seems to drive their actions much more than the reverse. As for the themes, while the themes of the series as a whole are obviously still present, they're not really engaged with in a particularly interesting way anymore, in large part because of how simplistic most things are now. Sneering at people who like complexity and nuance as "idiots" doesn't really make sense to me. It's one thing if you reject criticism for being too pedantic, and sometimes the criticism of this show can certainly be that, but at the end of the day there remains some legitimate flaws in the show that are worth talking about. If endlessly making jokes about Darkstar saying he is "of the night", which makes perfect sense in context(he's emphasizing that he isn't like his more famous cousin, struggling being in the shadow of the Sword of the Morning seems to be a defining part of his characterization and comes into play pretty much immediately when we see how lacking he is in honor), is treated as Good Criticism, then there's really no standard for good criticism in this thread at all. Beeez fucked around with this message at 22:21 on May 16, 2016 |
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Hra Mormo posted:She still has her loving hair! Why wouldn't she? She had her hair after the first time performing this trick.
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I do love that we're having a legitimate debate over whether Jorah and Daario coated the floor and walls of a building with an odorless invisible accelerant or not
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I'm so happy that the plot is finally moving, and the plot is absolutely fine - not quite up to (first 3 books) GRRM perhaps, but he's lost his right to complain after his endless writers block. I think that season 6 is really, really good, and much better than season 5. The bitching about tent fires and glowing swords is seriously dull and frankly annoying to read, which is why there's so much pushback. I really, really don't care if the brazier pushing scene is completely realistic, and from the response to the episode I'd say that those who do are in a huge minority. If I thought it would help I'd happily agree with you that its not particularly logical (I don't think the tent has oil spread in it, the scene is pretty straightforward), and yet it just doesn't matter at all - the themes, plot direction and character development are the important things, not the mechanics. The point isn't the flammability of nomadic tents, its about Dany reclaiming her power. Ultimately, I want to see as many plots merged as possible so that we can see interesting new character beats and finally start moving towards the end of the story. And I've only been waiting 8 years! God knows how those who've been waiting for 20 feel. Stumiester fucked around with this message at 22:50 on May 16, 2016 |
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GaussianCopula posted:I don't want to crash the party, but chances are that they won't see each other again after Brienne rides south. Just saying. If the season spoilers are true, you're right, and it's bullshit. The show creators finally created something new and great that I didn't know I wanted, and they send her to the Riverlands instead of doing interesting things in the North. I'm hoping the spoilers aren't true, because if they are, the show is at a dead end. I don't think they're true; they don't move the plot forward enough to resolve in the supposedly remaining 13 episodes. Dany's inevitable invasion is one thing, the White Walker threat is another, and doing both invasions plus an apocalyptic confrontation is way too much to ask of what is essentially one season of television. If they don't make more forward progress in this season than the spoilers indicate, it's probably time to abandon ship.
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raej posted:Why wouldn't she? She had her hair after the first time performing this trick. This time they didn't even bother to put fire ash on her face. It's like Xena warrior princess camp.
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Jack of Hearts posted:If the season spoilers are true, you're right, and it's bullshit. The show creators finally created something new and great that I didn't know I wanted, and they send her to the Riverlands instead of doing interesting things in the North. I think a split season would be enough to cover Dany's invasion and the White Walkers, I mean if that's primarily what you're doing, and that seems like its the case. I think its pretty obvious we're gonna get Yara landing in Meereen and lifting the siege in episode 9-10 somewhere along there, and Dany coming to the conclusion she should head West to end the season.
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ruddiger posted:I liked the part where Sansa and Jon reunited and Sansa scooped him up and cradled his tiny body in her arms.
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GaussianCopula posted:From a Sophie Turner interview well thats opens a whole can of worms. I am ready for sansa to go lady stoneheart lite. Beeez posted:Laziness is a fine way of describing the main problem with the show, because everything has become so over-simplified and caricature-like that the plot, the characters, and the themes are not well-served at all. The reason people are frustrated with characters like Daenerys and Ramsay, more than any specific logical concerns with individual scenes, is because they're never challenged in any significant way. Throughout the series, both the books and the earlier seasons of the show, most other characters are really made to struggle with emotional and material challenges. Challenges to their sense of competence or worth, their convictions, the justness of their cause, etc. Even when they win, their victories are frequently pyrrhic ones, and their experiences change them. this. ramsay and dany are the two biggest characters problems i have for the show. they are both mary/gary sue/stu charactures of past seasons/not to mention the books. I didn't mind ramsay at first(i gave up on dany after season 3) as much, but now it just feels eye-rolling at this point. and neither mistakes ever come back to really haunt them. dany doesnt do poo poo expect retarded mistake after retarded mistake but then the writers through tyrion have to clean up her poo poo. now she was able to take over the dotraki piss easy thanks to her fucktoy and jorah sadbrain. in the books you can see why she inspires people. here i dont know what people see. Ramsay does the same stupid poo poo, he kills tons of characters and acts like a mad dog idiot. he basicaly acts like joffery on crack. idk. i am disappointed.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:I was kind of surprised to see Jorah throw sand, isn't that like the stereotypically unchivalrous move? It's kind of silly but that did a really effective job of setting the stakes and selling me on an otherwise pretty straightforward action scene. I dunno, I took it as, "Okay, I'm out of options, and my chivalry's been pretty well compromised by this point - I'll try this, because I've seen it work, like, once. ...well poo poo." Beeez posted:Daenerys, on the other hand, especially in the show, is a character against whom there is almost never any real pushback. I agree with you on Ramsay, but not quite as much with Dany. She does face significant pushback - it's just not as obvious or dramatic as it is with some of the other characters. Her big obstacle in life that she's great at accomplishing things that last for, like, a week...and then suddenly turn to poo poo the next. Very little of what she has created has lasted. As the AV Club review put it, she's great at conquering, not so great at ruling. Narmi posted:Cool, but my point was that when you're arguing with someone, saying "who cares, it's a magic universe," is a poor defense and you need to come up with something better to support your side. I kind of feel like I did, though - I did say, even before that point, "It's not too hard to imagine that Dany got the other ex-khaleesi, Jorah, and Daario to coat the hut with oil or something similar." Majorian fucked around with this message at 22:44 on May 16, 2016 |
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Mike N Eich posted:I think a split season would be enough to cover Dany's invasion and the White Walkers, I mean if that's primarily what you're doing, and that seems like its the case. I think its pretty obvious we're gonna get Yara landing in Meereen and lifting the siege in episode 9-10 somewhere along there, and Dany coming to the conclusion she should head West to end the season. Only if every other subplot is ignored or negated by the death of its motivating characters. What happens to Littlefinger and the Vale? What happens to Dorne and the Reach? Assuming Tommen dies, how do the Lannisters respond? Maybe everyone will pull together during Armageddon and inter-house plotting will prove irrelevant. But in that case there was a lot of dreck they could have left out in getting to the point.
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Unzip and Attack posted:Yes how dare that guy actually think about the TV he watches and post about it in the thread dedicated to discussing the show. 
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GaussianCopula posted:From a Sophie Turner interview I agree that she overstated things, but good lord, you genuinely have issues with women.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:ramsay and dany are the two biggest characters problems i have for the show. they are both mary/gary sue/stu charactures of past seasons/not to mention the books. I didn't mind ramsay at first(i gave up on dany after season 3) as much, but now it just feels eye-rolling at this point. and neither mistakes ever come back to really haunt them. dany doesnt do poo poo expect retarded mistake after retarded mistake but then the writers through tyrion have to clean up her poo poo. now she was able to take over the dotraki piss easy thanks to her fucktoy and jorah sadbrain. in the books you can see why she inspires people. here i dont know what people see. Ramsay does the same stupid poo poo, he kills tons of characters and acts like a mad dog idiot. he basicaly acts like joffery on crack. idk. i am disappointed.
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colonel_korn posted:There's an entire tumblr site dedicated to hating the show where they refer to this as "honeypotting" based on the theory that Talisa was a Lannister plant that I believe was first advanced by our very own In It For the Tank. Ftw more self loathing nerds mocking something they religiously watch week after week :p
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quote:Sneering at people who like complexity and nuance as "idiots" doesn't really make sense to me. It's one thing if you reject criticism for being too pedantic, and sometimes the criticism of this show can certainly be that, but at the end of the day there remains some legitimate flaws in the show that are worth talking about. If endlessly making jokes about Darkstar saying he is "of the night", which makes perfect sense in context(he's emphasizing that he isn't like his more famous cousin, struggling being in the shadow of the Sword of the Morning seems to be a defining part of his characterization and comes into play pretty much immediately when we see how lacking he is in honor), is treated as Good Criticism, then there's really no standard for good criticism in this thread at all. No one in this thread is legitimately sneering at anyone who likes 'complexity and nuance'. To be honest that's a kind of loaded statement. Who is going to say they don't like complexity and nuance? It's a bit like saying "Sneering at people who like a well-written story instead of an enormous turd doesn't make sense to me". The reason these debates happen is because people have different definitions and understanding of what 'complexity' and 'nuance' are in a work of fiction, and different concepts of when it is best to have nuanced situations and when it is best to simplify, when it is best to have complexity and when it is best not to. This is especially tricky because what we are doing here is comparing a sprawling, excessively long unfinished series of books that is widely acknowledged to have gotten bogged down in expansion of storylines, location, and cast, with a television show that is nothing but restrictions: budget, time of production, length and pacing of episodes, cast of characters, sets, etc. It is a completely different type of work.
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drunken officeparty posted:So who's excited for next episode having some Dorne in it Do they all die horrible deaths?
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Jack of Hearts posted:Only if every other subplot is ignored or negated by the death of its motivating characters. What happens to Littlefinger and the Vale? What happens to Dorne and the Reach? Assuming Tommen dies, how do the Lannisters respond? Dude the wall is going to blow up and ice zombies are going to start raining frozen hell on the world of man. The children created the white walkers to counter what they saw as man's ultimate direction -> dany the fire demon burning down the entire world. Jon is going to lead the army of the dead controlled by bran against the evil fire horde.
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Crash74 posted:It was fine that Osha gets killed but jfc ramsay needed to get stabbed. Every single time poo poo goes down there are no consequences to his actions, just that dumb rear end look on his face. Yeah they're obviously trying to make it a big deal when he finally does get beat by Jon but it won't feel cathartic at all because he's just so drat boring. It's just like dragonball Z where you had just lots of filler time waiting for Goku to arrive on the scene and finally beat the big threat. The Osha scene was dumb as hell too and not the slightest bit suspenseful.
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I said some people sneer at complexity and nuance because there are people in this thread who legitimately seem to think that the show runners can do no wrong so long as they simplify things compared to the books, and that anyone who has problems with any of that simplification is an idiot. But maybe I should've worded it differently, I don't know.
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Crash74 posted:Do they all die horrible deaths? I don't know, I'm just assuming we will get Dorne because there was none this episode. Same with Arya, I expect her next week too.
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drunken officeparty posted:I don't know, I'm just assuming we will get Dorne because there was none this episode. Same with Arya, I expect her next week too. I bet there will the Arya, but probably they will just leave Dorne out for the rest of the season (I guess that was the point of wrapping it up in the very first episode)
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drunken officeparty posted:I don't know, I'm just assuming we will get Dorne because there was none this episode. Same with Arya, I expect her next week too. hasn't been any Dorne since episode 1, thank christ. i think weve bugged out of that garbage pail for at least the remainder of the season. e: beaten
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