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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

As A Man who has bought panties in the past for Reasons holy gently caress how do you ladies deal with that poo poo, it's like paper thin garbage fabric even for the expensive ones. I'm surprised they're not considered outright disposable after one time use.

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BadSamaritan
May 2, 2008

crumb by crumb in this big black forest


Surprise, most women's clothing is thin garbage. Even stuff like basic tshirts or work slacks have huge differences in quality between men's and women's styles. And the quality of women's stuff is basically random so it can be difficult to plan for what lasts. I've had $8 shirts last more than 5 years and look great, and had $50 shirts look like garbage in less than a season. I've also had a number of $8 shirts die after a wear or two.

I don't enjoy clothes shopping and would *love* to shop for clothes once a year or so like my husband does, but women's clothing is too unreliable. Never mind a lot of 'basic' or 'classic' styles can be nearly impossible to find for seasons at a time, especially if you're trying to be price conscious. I envy how easy it is for my husband to think of the thing he wants to buy, find it in the store for a reasonable price, and have it fit with 0 to minimal tailoring.

I'm not defending spending hundreds of dollars on clothing a month, but I understand a moderate regular clothes budget for women because stuff wears out pretty quickly.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost
I've paid $60 for a pair of panties for the wife and it didn't seem really any different than some $15 Calvin Klein or other mall brands. However, Victoria's Secrets panties are garbage disposable toilet paper for your crotch and the wife doesn't like them normally anyway thankfully. On the other hand, my Ex Officio underwear is freakin' amazing and I hesitate to call $20 / pair a rip-off. But at maybe $5 - $10 each panty times 80 you have enough to not wear the same pair for nearly 3 months in a row but still buy some new ones every 2 months. I didn't realize that the isolated system of a panty collection obeyed the second law of thermodynamics for some women.

When it comes to bras, I can better empathize given the many more possible fit issues there. But that $60 panty wasn't anywhere near as good of a buy compared to the $150 I spent on the bra, which I gave her among cheaper bras to see if she was price sensitive. There was zero question - that $150 bra was far better than the $20 - $40 ones :(

There needs to be a :negative: for money, maybe the same guy as a green stack of bills being disintegrated.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Uh sorry you have to clothe your wife who earns significantly less than you. Maybe you could (and this is super crazy so hear me out) come to an agreement together about clothing and discretionary funds. Or keep raging about your partner spending your money without regard and see how great that continues to be for your marriage.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
if you buy five pairs of shoes and wear each pair once a week they will last five times as long but you will get tired of them and get something new before they wear out. BWM.

Also "panties" is the dumbest, most infantile sounding word and I hate it.

Baja Mofufu
Feb 7, 2004

Picking a side between husband who believes he is teaching his childlike wife to wear big girl panties vs. $600/year of big girl panties...:shrug:

Eyes Only
May 20, 2008

Do not attempt to adjust your set.

cowofwar posted:

if you buy five pairs of shoes and wear each pair once a week they will last five times as long but you will get tired of them and get something new before they wear out. BWM.

Also "panties" is the dumbest, most infantile sounding word and I hate it.

And even if you do wear them until they fall apart, it's not like they regenerate themselves on the days where they don't get worn. Each pair will last for X uses, five pairs cycled in/out will give you the same total uses as 5 pairs that are each sequentially worn to oblivion.

BWM: in NYC, people walking to/from work wearing dress shoes, especially in winter. I see a dude step in salt and die a little inside. Pour one out for the shoesies.

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe
iPad problem solved New Zealand sells foreign land provided they supply $100k of iPads and laptops to a local school. Quite a deal, nothing quite like selling your land for beads iPads.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80062197/land-sale-approved-after-funding-of-school-ipads-and-laptops

There's a lot of people still patting themselves on the back for buying a house in New Zealand and spending their time circle jerking on local forums about how much money they've made. Of course one of the big banks has said that house prices could fall from 2018. Seriously there are people still talking about how house prices can't fall in New Zealand.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80066702/house-prices-may-fall-from-2018-as-borrow-and-spend-cycle-burns-out--westpac

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Eyes Only posted:

And even if you do wear them until they fall apart, it's not like they regenerate themselves on the days where they don't get worn. Each pair will last for X uses, five pairs cycled in/out will give you the same total uses as 5 pairs that are each sequentially worn to oblivion.

BWM: in NYC, people walking to/from work wearing dress shoes, especially in winter. I see a dude step in salt and die a little inside. Pour one out for the shoesies.

I mean in practice if you have more than one pair at once you can wear shoes appropriate to the occasion, like if you know it's going to be cold and salty you can wear more durable shoes or less expensive shoes, unlike me - I only own two pairs and one of them is for fancy business times only :(

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
I do yard work in my $300 dress shoes because they are comfortable and I only want to tie laces once per day.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Slip-on shoes are cheap and easy: GWM and GWLaces

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
Nap Ghost

NancyPants posted:

Maybe you could (and this is super crazy so hear me out) come to an agreement together about clothing and discretionary funds.
We have an agreement. The agreement is that her income is "fun money" and her obligations given both its volatility and relative magnitude to mine. It works for us somehow. I'm mostly perplexed how someone could use so much of their own discretionary spending on clothes and complain about having no money for salon trips or some other things that seemed more necessary. But maybe my idea of basic needs needs to be adjusted since I'm fine with the living standards of a broke college student for the most part.

And as a :thumbsup: to my wife, she found John Varvatos shoes for me that were only like $50.

necrobobsledder fucked around with this message at 01:04 on May 17, 2016

Puppy Galaxy
Aug 1, 2004

I was really hoping for more zaurg

RheaConfused
Jan 22, 2004

I feel the need.
The need... for
:sparkles: :sparkles:

Puppy Galaxy posted:

I was really hoping for more zaurg

He has his own thread now.

BadSamaritan
May 2, 2008

crumb by crumb in this big black forest


Wait so you've agreed that she can spend all her money on fun discretionary purchases- basically encouraging her to fritter it away- then you bitch about how she's spending her money on things she wants? That's her whole budget category.

Anyway- I have a coworker with a pretty mediocre paying position who constantly brags about his impending real estate purchases in our metropolitan area and his luxurious home trappings and I can't decide if he's totally up to his eyeballs in debt or if he's just making everything up because he wants people to like and respect him. He's kind of an idiot so it's really a 50/50 shot.

Rurutia
Jun 11, 2009
Women's fashion sucks because to stay 'fashionable' you need to have different shoes which suit a wide variety of styles, especially if you're short and can't just wear flats with everything. An easy example of the increased demands of variety in a woman's wardrobe is the suit. There's a very specific uniform that allows men to get away with just having one piece of formal wear and women to have to use 'renttherunway.com' if they have regular formal events and don't want to spend an arm and a leg. It's seen as a faux pas to wear the same thing to more than one event. And unfortunately, fashion, aka how you look, does have effect how others perceive your worth as an employee much more so for women than men.

There's tons of BWM involved as well, but the the circumstances surrounding women's fashion and clothing is distinctly different from men's and lends itself to encourage BWM behavior.

edit Victoria Secret panties are about as durable as any and they're cute. You just have catch them on their 6 for $30 sales. Aerie is also very durable and often have super sales. However, underwear matters for women's fashion. Having the appropriate type to avoid panty lines etc is important, and some of the styles can be more expensive.

Rurutia fucked around with this message at 02:14 on May 17, 2016

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

cowofwar posted:

Also "panties" is the dumbest, most infantile sounding word and I hate it.

Then what do you suggest we call them? (Jump to 6:15)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5tqcuXi1FU

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

cowofwar posted:

I do yard work in my $300 dress shoes because they are comfortable and I only want to tie laces once per day.

I walk through lava and kick sharks in the face in my $1000 dress shoes, same reasons as you

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


cowofwar posted:

I do yard work in my $300 dress shoes because they are comfortable and I only want to tie laces once per day.

Humblebrag bookmark

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

Zo posted:

I did this back in like.. 1998 trying to crack no$gmb so i could play pokemon on the computer. I was like 10 or 11 at the time and never seriously used computers before. You can imagine how that kind of kick started the whole science and engineering thing for me.

You ain't gonna learn poo poo from a tablet though. My kids are getting computers.
Get your kids a raspberry pi touchscreen kit and tell them they can have a tablet if they build it themselves. Best of both worlds.

Mocking Bird
Aug 17, 2011

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

Get your kids a raspberry pi touchscreen kit and tell them they can have a tablet if they build it themselves. Best of both worlds.

My daughter would use this as her defense when she then gets caught shoplifting a real tablet. No jury would convict her.

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

Mocking Bird posted:

My daughter would use this as her defense when she then gets caught shoplifting a real tablet. No jury would convict her.
Little Sally might end up in juvie one way or another, and if she doesn't listen to hackerdad's linux lessons then how is she gonna know which phreak tones to whistle over the cafeteria payphone to hax0r herself a suspended sentence :colbert:

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

necrobobsledder posted:

When it comes to bras, I can better empathize given the many more possible fit issues there. But that $60 panty wasn't anywhere near as good of a buy compared to the $150 I spent on the bra, which I gave her among cheaper bras to see if she was price sensitive. There was zero question - that $150 bra was far better than the $20 - $40 ones :(

There needs to be a :negative: for money, maybe the same guy as a green stack of bills being disintegrated.

Have you tried being gay?

Get a cute boyfriend the same size as you, you can try on clothes together and spend 50% of the money, plus when you get married you double your underwear collection for free.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

pig slut lisa posted:

Humblebrag bookmark

Bad with Money: I do yard work in my $300 dress shoes

mods plz

Blinkman987
Jul 10, 2008

Gender roles guilt me into being fat.
$300 is the entry point for fine dress shoes. Barely nice shoes.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Blinkman987 posted:

Bad With Money: $300 is the entry point for fine dress shoes. Barely nice shoes.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

my albanian cobbler and i have an Agreement

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I bet you're just going to throw away those plastic bags bread comes in right? Well get this, you get a rubber band and put them on your feet and bam, fancy dress shoes. You were just about to throw cash in the trash!

Leviathan Song
Sep 8, 2010

Eyes Only posted:

And even if you do wear them until they fall apart, it's not like they regenerate themselves on the days where they don't get worn. Each pair will last for X uses, five pairs cycled in/out will give you the same total uses as 5 pairs that are each sequentially worn to oblivion.

BWM: in NYC, people walking to/from work wearing dress shoes, especially in winter. I see a dude step in salt and die a little inside. Pour one out for the shoesies.

Leather shoes actually do last a lot longer if you let them rest a day or two to dry out. It also gives you time to clean and polish them. Doesn't mean that you need 50 pairs but 3 pairs will last more than 3 times as long if you rotate days.

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I bet you're just going to throw away those plastic bags bread comes in right? Well get this, you get a rubber band and put them on your feet and bam, fancy dress shoes. You were just about to throw cash in the trash!

Trenchfoot: BWM if you don't have cheap healthcare.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

Wow, buying bread at the store? Super BWM. I bake all my bread in my car engine while hyper-mile-ing. (Hypermiling?)

Barry
Aug 1, 2003

Hardened Criminal
Good grief, women's underwear and men's shoes. I don't know if I could pick two topics that I would assume BFC posters knew less about.

I have been frantically searching /r/personalfinance for a good BWM story but nothing is showing up, arghhhhhhhh

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
I work in a textile lab so I've seen reams of quantitative data re: women's clothing strength and wear. Some of this poo poo would explode if you crossed your eyes and went "booga-booga" at a side seam.

Not to mention flimsy mesh shells seem to have become en vogue recently and if that stuff snags on a doorhandle or something then you can kiss the whole garment goodbye.

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


I would love to hear more about your work. Have you ever done an A/T thread?

Sepherothic
Feb 8, 2003

Eyes Only posted:

BWM: in NYC, people walking to/from work wearing dress shoes, especially in winter. I see a dude step in salt and die a little inside. Pour one out for the shoesies.

Shoes in general are BWM in NYC.

I go through a least 4 pairs of sneakers a year. Like worn down through the rubber. And they get incredibly filthy just from walking around this godawful city.

Also if you wore dress shoes everyday in this city, you'd have to spend hours cleaning them. poo poo's dirty yo.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

pig slut lisa posted:

I would love to hear more about your work. Have you ever done an A/T thread?

I'm just a clerk, not one of the technicians, so the stuff I know about the industry is mostly secondhand and probably wouldn't interest many people. I can at least say for certain that a lot of the clothes coming out of the big Chinese mills for product lines like Alfred Dunner or Ruby Road are subjected to some fairly strict strength/colorfastness/wash resistance requirements from a third-party certifier, but the higher-end stuff like Vera/Alexander Wang or The Row seems to go by retailer specifications instead, which can ironically result in worse performance once they hit shelves since there's a lot of backdoor deals between manufacturers and vendors.

Women's clothing is a cutthroat scene, but I guess that if you're some harried middle manager who's getting screamed at by five people in three languages to hustle 5000 yards of fabric out the door by end of day tomorrow it naturally results in playing fast and loose with product quality sometimes.

e: one funny anecdote - my workplace has an article from a lab that tested a number of men's suits in the early oughts for warp/weft strength and presence of the Super 100 wool yarns (grades of yarn meant to be finer and more luxurious than ordinary wool). Performance varied from one manufacturer to the next, but there was one suit that not only had astonishingly poor performance in seam strength, but also lied about the quality of its Super fibers - the one from Donald Trump's line.

Buying Trump is bad with money.

Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 17:09 on May 17, 2016

SiGmA_X
May 3, 2004
SiGmA_X

BadSamaritan posted:

Wait so you've agreed that she can spend all her money on fun discretionary purchases- basically encouraging her to fritter it away- then you bitch about how she's spending her money on things she wants? That's her whole budget category.
This is what I got from his post. It sounds unhealthy if its what they've agreed to and he's unhappy enough to go online and bitch.

Oxxidation posted:

Buying Trump is bad with money.
But you get to help support the Chinese economy, right? Good with international relations!

moana
Jun 18, 2005

one of the more intellectual satire communities on the web

Leviathan Song posted:

Leather shoes actually do last a lot longer if you let them rest a day or two to dry out. It also gives you time to clean and polish them. Doesn't mean that you need 50 pairs but 3 pairs will last more than 3 times as long if you rotate days.
Bras actually are the same way - if you rotate them, the elastic doesn't get stretched out nearly as fast.

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


Oxxidation posted:

I'm just a clerk, not one of the technicians, so the stuff I know about the industry is mostly secondhand and probably wouldn't interest many people. I can at least say for certain that a lot of the clothes coming out of the big Chinese mills for product lines like Alfred Dunner or Ruby Road are subjected to some fairly strict strength/colorfastness/wash resistance requirements from a third-party certifier, but the higher-end stuff like Vera/Alexander Wang or The Row seems to go by retailer specifications instead, which can ironically result in worse performance once they hit shelves since there's a lot of backdoor deals between manufacturers and vendors.

Women's clothing is a cutthroat scene, but I guess that if you're some harried middle manager who's getting screamed at by five people in three languages to hustle 5000 yards of fabric out the door by end of day tomorrow it naturally results in playing fast and loose with product quality sometimes.

e: one funny anecdote - my workplace has an article from a lab that tested a number of men's suits in the early oughts for warp/weft strength and presence of the Super 100 wool yarns (grades of yarn meant to be finer and more luxurious than ordinary wool). Performance varied from one manufacturer to the next, but there was one suit that not only had astonishingly poor performance in seam strength, but also lied about the quality of its Super fibers - the one from Donald Trump's line.

Buying Trump is bad with money.

Thank you, I enjoyed all of this :tipshat:

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Dwight Eisenhower
Jan 24, 2006

Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.
buying $600 of panties is almost certainly BWM

buying $600 of panties wearing them once and turning around to sell them on the panty selling reddit is GWM

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