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Helicon One posted:Is the stunt double Astero fit the best way to go with that hull? I've not yet flown one but shield buffering a ship with an armour resist bonus triggers my Battleclinic PTSD. I believe protocloaking Griffins were a thing being used during some cloaky camping stages a while back in horde. They provide a nice force multiplier if you are going to expect something resembling a fight.
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Am I missing something about Bhaagrests being nearly 1k dps RHML monsters?
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May 16, 2016 15:43
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missing in what way
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May 16, 2016 15:44
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Like "has a crippling weakness to mining barges" or something.
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May 16, 2016 15:58
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OWLS! posted:Am I missing something about Bhaagrests being nearly 1k dps RHML monsters?
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May 16, 2016 16:00
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They deserve to be good, that hull is just too neat not to have a purpose outside of the AT.
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Helicon One posted:Is the stunt double Astero fit the best way to go with that hull? I've not yet flown one but shield buffering a ship with an armour resist bonus triggers my Battleclinic PTSD. The armor resist bonus is nice, but they're pig-slow with a plate on, and they tend to be short on grid too (i.e. you can't fit a 400mm compact plate and a compact MWD without at least one fitting mod). DCU, 1x RF MSE, 3x CDFE: 9.5k EHP DCU, 1x EANM, 200mm plate, triple trimark: 9.8k EHP DCU, 2x EANM, 200mm plate, triple trimark: 12k EHP DCU, 1x EANM, 400mm plate, 2x trimark + ACR: 12k EHP So, a shield-tanked fit ends up having the same total EHP as a 200mm plated fit, but aligns faster, MWDs faster, and can pack more DPS due to having more damage mods. Shield is actually my standard brawler Astero fit for general PvP, not just ratter hunting. OWLS! posted:Am I missing something about Bhaagrests being nearly 1k dps RHML monsters? Nope. Pretty much the only downside to them is their cost, their relatively thin tank, and the classic problem of R*ML reloads. FWIW, it's really important to think of RLML/RHML ships in terms of "total damage per clip" instead of DPS. Don't think of an RHML Barghest as "I can deal 914dps with missiles" -- think of it as "as long as I get perfect missile damage application, I can dump 63,700 damage into targets before I have to reload and do nearly nothing for 30 seconds."
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Once boosting gets changed to AOE or on grid or whatever it's going to be, will command destroyers finally have a purpose other than jumping people off of gates/undocks? I'd love to fly one as a mini Damnation or something of the sort but I'm bad at fits and have no idea if I could make one of them reasonably tanky. I'm fairly certain pretty much anything larger than a frigate spells bad times for destroyers, but the idea of say a support Pontifex sitting back and using drones for some slight damage while boosting everyone sounds like a ton of fun.
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if you're willing to spend you can make a dual RF MSE astero which has like 13k ehp and 50/s shield passive tank
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Landsknecht posted:if you're willing to spend you can make a dual RF MSE astero which has like 13k ehp and 50/s shield passive tank Yeah, but it's not a fast hull -- if they have a web and you don't, they're generally gonna get away from you :\ And it's not like the Astero has a ton of DPS -- 170ish with two DDAs. It's primarily a surprise attacker, not a brawler that needs tons of buffer. This is my general-purpose Astero, which is basically the Kadesh fit updated for tiericided modules: quote:[Astero, kadesh after tier] Swap Anti-EM with a third CDFE as you prefer, depending on what the rats/ratters in your area are. I used to go triple CDFE, but take the EM these days due to the popularity of Acolyte drones.
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ullerrm posted:Yeah, but it's not a fast hull -- if they have a web and you don't, they're generally gonna get away from you :\ And it's not like the Astero has a ton of DPS -- 170ish with two DDAs. It's primarily a surprise attacker, not a brawler that needs tons of buffer. is an MWD necessary if you fit scram+web?
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OWLS! posted:Like "has a crippling weakness to mining barges" or something. It's the most expensive Pirate Faction battleship still. Double the price of most other hulls and usually needs to be a bit more blingy to make everything fit.
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May 16, 2016 19:48
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can you solo with the osprey navy anymore after it lost a launcher?
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Foehammer007 posted:can you solo with the osprey navy anymore after it lost a launcher?
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FranktheBank posted:Is there really no counterplay to afk cloaked reds in system? 1. Fly a cheap battlecruiser 2. Having a standing fleet like in frigates on comms on standby 24-7 to warp in and save you, horde has been having lots of success with this method. I have been on both side of the fence and think CCP should fix it somehow, I would guess CCP is on it as they said they want to remove afk ratting, make sense to remove afk camping as well
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ullerrm posted:Yeah, but it's not a fast hull -- if they have a web and you don't, they're generally gonna get away from you :\ And it's not like the Astero has a ton of DPS -- 170ish with two DDAs. It's primarily a surprise attacker, not a brawler that needs tons of buffer. I loved all your previous fit, but I don't like fitting web+scram on a squishy shield tanked ship. I like to think there is a commitment factor, 0% being you just toying with someone outside of point range with no intention to kill him and knowing you can get out anytime. 100% being entering the engagement knowing you either have to kill them all or you are died. Fitting a web and a scram to me feels like 80% committed, but Astero's dps and tank is weak, and you don't really have a "kiting" option without a long point. Stunt's fitting is like concentrated knowledge of his npcering experience, it's really focused on able to commit very little while just able to kill ratters. Edit: what I mean is that Stunt's fit more of "safer" style, and you need to accommodate NPCs shooting you as well. quote:[Astero, NPCER] Altran fucked around with this message at 20:39 on May 16, 2016 |
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Foehammer007 posted:can you solo with the osprey navy anymore after it lost a launcher? God, yes. It lost a launcher, but gained a massive damage bonus. The combination of decent dps, ample mids, and two option highs makes it solid as hell. Wozbo has done some amazing poo poo with a combat probing HAM ONI.
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ullerrm posted:God, yes. It lost a launcher, but gained a massive damage bonus. The combination of decent dps, ample mids, and two option highs makes it solid as hell. ?? fit??
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Other than the fact that it is the fastest, is there a reason the Bifrost gets the most use out of the Command Destroyers? I've seen maybe one or two Pontifex/Storks, but I have never seen a Magus.
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Foehammer007 posted:?? quote:[Osprey Navy Issue, Wozbo's Osprey Navy Issue] If you forgo the probe, you can shoehorn a second medium neut and a third BCS on there, at which point it's a pretty nasty little beast -- overheats to 3km/s, 500+ dps, tons of neuting power, and a decent chunk of buffer as well. Longdrinks has a pretty funny anti-frigate one that uses RLMLs and a 100MN AB too. Fureil posted:Other than the fact that it is the fastest, is there a reason the Bifrost gets the most use out of the Command Destroyers? I've seen maybe one or two Pontifex/Storks, but I have never seen a Magus. The speed is the main reason, but it also has more power grid than it really needs, allowing it to get all its critical bits (shield buffer, MWD, rocket launchers) without needing a fitting mod. On the flip side, the Stork has lovely grid but ample CPU, meaning that you can shoehorn a combat probe on there for max utility.
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ullerrm posted:The speed is the main reason, but it also has more power grid than it really needs, allowing it to get all its critical bits (shield buffer, MWD, rocket launchers) without needing a fitting mod. Cool, trying to figure out which one I want to get into for when boosts go to on grid or aoe or whatever the plan is. If Svipuls stay prevalent I'll probably just get into the Bifrost to boost them. Now to just figure out a somewhat tanky fit for one so I don't instantly pop while they kill thing. If I can find a confessor fleet to roam with that would be awesome as I would prefer a Pontifex.
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ChickenWing posted:Thanks to the folks who offered to loan me l4 ships - got a cheapo maelstrom that's currently doing the trick and will hopefully continue to do so until I pay off my ~benefactor~ and can start buying burner ships. We need to coordinate this. I'll make a g doc later where we can make a list of blitz able missions with blitzing instructions in a not painfully poo poo format like every other similar list out there
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Helicon One posted:Is the stunt double Astero fit the best way to go with that hull? I've not yet flown one but shield buffering a ship with an armour resist bonus triggers my Battleclinic PTSD. I think its the best fit for a specific purpose, i.e. roaming around cloaky and ganking ratters - it's not "the best fit" for other things. He's suggested alternatives depending on what your goals are.
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Astero chat reminded me that I wanted to go back into WHs. Did a bit of sperlunking and bagged a misguided Prophesy in a pulsar  Killmarks own.
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 Listen, my drone control range isn't quite that far.
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Syndic Thrass posted:We need to coordinate this. I'll make a g doc later where we can make a list of blitz able missions with blitzing instructions in a not painfully poo poo format like every other similar list out there Sounds good. I was thinking of making a "Mission" wiki template or something of the like.
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May 17, 2016 13:47
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Xenothral posted:
is there a way to make the icons for ships/rocks/whatever you've targeted permanently stay wherever you drag them to? You can move the target icons and they'll stay there until you blow the target up or unlock it, but new target icons always appear back in the top of my EVE client.
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Jazzzzz posted:is there a way to make the icons for ships/rocks/whatever you've targeted permanently stay wherever you drag them to? You can move the target icons and they'll stay there until you blow the target up or unlock it, but new target icons always appear back in the top of my EVE client.
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May 17, 2016 16:10
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Eve Online: Customize Your Spreadsheets
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May 17, 2016 17:13
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It may be a lovely UI, but it's MY lovely UI.
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Jazzzzz posted:is there a way to make the icons for ships/rocks/whatever you've targeted permanently stay wherever you drag them to? You can move the target icons and they'll stay there until you blow the target up or unlock it, but new target icons always appear back in the top of my EVE client. You can right click the target anchor thing and set them to sort horizontally or vertically I think.
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Altran posted:1. Fly a cheap battlecruiser This would be great. In my limited Eve experience, it seems very rock-paper-scissors and afk cloaking seems to be dynamite. It surprised me than there was no counter measures.
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Yeah, if you look above right the column of targets there's a little icon with two lines coming out at a right angle. That's the "anchor point", and you can right click to choose row or column mode.
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FranktheBank posted:This would be great. In my limited Eve experience, it seems very rock-paper-scissors and afk cloaking seems to be dynamite. It surprised me than there was no counter measures. its called have friends
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Flanders, if someone is dead-set on flying a Nightmare for L4 missions how would that person fit said Nightmare?
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Nietzschean posted:Flanders, if someone is dead-set on flying a Nightmare for L4 missions how would that person fit said Nightmare? shield-beams
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ChickenWing posted:Sounds good. I was thinking of making a "Mission" wiki template or something of the like. PM me on Jabber, I had a shittier solution in mind, but that would be good cause I was thinking about how to display the like 4-5 pieces of info one gives a poo poo about
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May 17, 2016 22:47
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i logged off in w-space with my probes out and now i have no probes in my first exploration ship
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There's only one way I'm aware of to lose probes and you just done did it. Assuming your exit bookmark chain is no good, you might be SOL unless somene passing through can be convinced to take pity on you. I always carry a spare set of sisters probes in case I get disconnected but the cheap ones should work just fine for an emergency escape.
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Nietzschean posted:Flanders, if someone is dead-set on flying a Nightmare for L4 missions how would that person fit said Nightmare? I'm not a pro at missions, so I'm not the right person to ask. But here's how I'd eyeball it. Fixed: 100MN AB, Tachyons, drone link augmentors, at least one tracking computer. Tank is variable; the Nightmare used to have a bonus to shield tanking, so a lot of people stick with that out of convention, and it does have 7 mids. However, I've seen viable armor fits as well. If you want to shield tank it, 3 heatsinks + 2 TEs in your lows; run 2-3 mission-specific hardeners and an XLSB, one or two cap batteries depending on how much you care about cap stability. Strongly recommend a Pith B-Type XLSB, they're only 50M isk at Jita. If you want to armor tank it, 2-3 heatsinks + 2-3 mission-specific hardeners and a LAR, load up your mids with cap rechargers and tracking computers
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