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mcmagic posted:The lack of EMA spoilers is quite annoying. Maro said they start at the end of this month if I'm remembering correctly.
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mcmagic posted:The lack of EMA spoilers is quite annoying. I was actually talking to my coworker about this just this morning. Kinda weird that there isnt more info on it yet for sure.
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May 17, 2016 16:50
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I was gonna say it's not out for a while, but I guess it's less than a month away now.
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May 17, 2016 16:53
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Literally The Worst posted:i try to put that kid on tilt by calling them a pussy rear end bitch who can't read the fuckin cards and then smash them 2-0 and pee on them I didn't realize Michael Jordan played Magic. For real though, I love going over people's decks after the match and helping them improve their build. The best is when they come up to you later in the event and talk about how much better the deck plays.
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May 17, 2016 16:53
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The Lord of Hats posted:I didn't realize Michael Jordan played Magic. *Little kid taps for R, hesitates before casting Lightning Bolt* "Shoot it, midget"
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May 17, 2016 16:57
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Lawnie posted:*Little kid taps for R, hesitates before casting Lightning Bolt* "Pull that trigger I loving dare you" *stares, puts hands on two untapped islands*
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May 17, 2016 16:58
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Entropic posted:Really though, if you're paired against some newbie kid at a pre-release, your goal should be to make them have fun losing to you. I always do exaggerated emotions when playing against little kids. "Oh man, that is the BIGGEST CREATURE, I don't think I have anything bigger than that. Cripes." Or be super shocked and amazed when they play their rare. Sometimes they just wanna feel special. Entropic posted:Part of the Judge test should be sitting someone down with a newbie at a pre-release to help them with their deck without being condescending or making them feel dumb and without just grabbing their deck and saying "here, I'll show you how to build it". They pass if the newbie says "thank you" enthusiastically and non-sarcastically. I've actually learned to not go "Oh, "blank and X are easy." when talking about anything magic related. I've been playing for like 16 years and I know Untap, Upkeep, Draw, ect like a pianist knows their favorite musical notes. Saying 'its easy' just tends to make the other person feel like they're not getting it. Patience, patience, patience. Literally The Worst posted:i try to put that kid on tilt by calling them a pussy rear end bitch who can't read the fuckin cards and then smash them 2-0 and pee on them Instead, mock a grinder for not having a fully foiled out deck and not ~committing~ to the sport of Gathering the Magic if you wanna see real tilt.  Zoness posted:I was actually talking to my coworker about this just this morning. Kinda weird that there isnt more info on it yet for sure. I preordered a box yesterday without knowing anything. I know I'll be drafting the hell out of regardless. But yeah, some teasers and/or leaked spoilers would be cool.
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May 17, 2016 16:59
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The Lord of Hats posted:I didn't realize Michael Jordan played Magic. That's always fun, you just gotta be careful about how you do it. You don't want to overwhelm them with information or re-do everything for them without explaining anything. I usually try to keep it to a few basic pointers like making sure they have the right number and kind of lands, aren't playing any garbage/sideboard cards maindeck, and aren't leaving bombs or removal in the sideboard that are in their colors.
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May 17, 2016 16:59
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The Lord of Hats posted:I didn't realize Michael Jordan played Magic. yeah i always remember my first prerelease after i started playing/working at the shop when one of our regulars asked to see my deck and flipped through it and was like 'dickeye hang on we are gonna fix this so you win next round'
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May 17, 2016 16:59
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Deckit posted:I've actually learned to not go "Oh, "blank and X are easy." when talking about anything magic related. I've been playing for like 16 years and I know Untap, Upkeep, Draw, ect like a pianist knows their favorite musical notes. Saying 'its easy' just tends to make the other person feel like they're not getting it. Patience, patience, patience. Yeah the hardest thing is remembering that they don't know stuff you think of as automatic reflex. You have to actually explain things. And do it in a way that's not pushy. Like instead of of saying "well obviously we're cutting this lifegain card" and yanking it out of their deck you need to say "hmm, this might buy you a turn, but wouldn't a creature also do that just as well most of the time? and a creature would actually be able to help you win the game instead of just not losing. I'd consider maybe running this guy instead.."
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May 17, 2016 17:08
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C-Euro posted:When was the last time Wizards dipped into the Future Sight well? Nessian Courser in Theros? Llanowar Empath was reprinted in Origins.
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May 17, 2016 17:36
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GoutPatrol posted:Llanowar Empath was reprinted in Origins. Llanowar Empath wasn't futureshifted.
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May 17, 2016 17:46
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Then just make a common adult dragon. Jeez. They coulda just made a crippled dragon or a runt dragon or anything they wanted that was just a dumb loving excuse.
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May 17, 2016 18:04
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Slumbering dragon could be a common. I don't play limited but it seems not good even then.
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May 17, 2016 18:20
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Very excited for EMA to come out so I can not draft it for $100 a seat because of inevitable supply issues.
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May 17, 2016 18:23
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I've always suspected that the solution to that problem would be to make a cycle of dragons that can only be cast face down, then flipped up later
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May 17, 2016 18:23
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they made a repeatable lava axe dragon that sucked but was at common that totally should have been in DTK instead of fates
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May 17, 2016 18:26
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man repeatable is probably the worst euphemism for "shuffles into library" i could have used there
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May 17, 2016 18:28
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mandatory lesbian posted:they made a repeatable lava axe dragon that sucked but was at common that totally should have been in DTK instead of fates Maro has explicitly said this exact thing as well as noting that they should have had the OG Dragonlords as the only dragons in FRF in order to make DTK more of a contrast. He's also said that he wishes he'd gone back to creative and changed the world to allow baby dragons.
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May 17, 2016 18:37
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whydirt posted:Maro has explicitly said this exact thing as well as noting that they should have had the OG Dragonlords as the only dragons in FRF in order to make DTK more of a contrast. That would've felt odd since FRF was a time of dragons.
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May 17, 2016 18:40
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FRF was fine w/r/t story and storm count of dragons, DTK was just a miserable failure in flavor by and large. Sarkhan comes back, is temur? Narset gets his spark instead? Ugin doesn't do shitall? Like the conflict in DTK is 'Oh no, dragons!' with no actual impact on anything since in that timeline there would have just been dragons for years anyway, they're only new to the player/Sarkhan. MORE DRAGONS THAN EVER BEFORE. Apparently that meant one dragon in every other pack. If Maro is going to come up with stupid poo poo like 'as-fan' and say 'it isn't your theme if it isn't at common' then he needs to take his own medicine.
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May 17, 2016 18:52
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whydirt posted:Maro has explicitly said this exact thing as well as noting that they should have had the OG Dragonlords as the only dragons in FRF in order to make DTK more of a contrast. He's also said that he wishes he'd gone back to creative and changed the world to allow baby dragons. It's funny because it's almost the exact same problem as Kamigawa's legendary problem; he spent a bunch of time explaining how FRF had the highest as-fan of Dragons of any set by a fair amount, but that basically meant that most packs had at a dragon in it. Not anywhere near enough to notice a theme after opening 2-3 packs like most people probably do!
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May 17, 2016 18:55
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Death Bot posted:It's funny because it's almost the exact same problem as Kamigawa's legendary problem; he spent a bunch of time explaining how FRF had the highest as-fan of Dragons of any set by a fair amount, but that basically meant that most packs had at a dragon in it. Not anywhere near enough to notice a theme after opening 2-3 packs like most people probably do! If I remember correctly, at the time whydirt agreed with Maro on the asfan excuse.
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May 17, 2016 18:58
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the funny part is that the as-fan of dragons in dtk is actually lower than the as-fan of legendaries in champions of kamigawa.
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May 17, 2016 18:59
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Skyl3lazer posted:FRF was fine w/r/t story and storm count of dragons, DTK was just a miserable failure in flavor by and large. Sarkhan comes back, is temur? Narset gets his spark instead? Ugin doesn't do shitall? Like the conflict in DTK is 'Oh no, dragons!' with no actual impact on anything since in that timeline there would have just been dragons for years anyway, they're only new to the player/Sarkhan. MORE DRAGONS THAN EVER BEFORE. Apparently that meant one dragon in every other pack. If Maro is going to come up with stupid poo poo like 'as-fan' and say 'it isn't your theme if it isn't at common' then he needs to take his own medicine. You will be happy to hear that this is pretty much exactly what MaRo said in a later article, reflecting on how DTK went.
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May 17, 2016 19:11
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Rinkles posted:If I remember correctly, at the time whydirt agreed with Maro on the asfan excuse. It's one of those things that sounds good when you picture someone opening a box and pulling multiple mythic, constructed playable dragons, but then it's actually bad when you instead picture some kid buying a pack with a picture of a dragon on it and the word dragon also on it, only for the pack to have 0 dragons. You would hope that they would put more in, with common being The Rarity You Actually See Cards At, but having a theme be something that won't even show up in most packs once you get past the plastic wrap almost directly means it is not a theme lol
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May 17, 2016 19:13
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ShadeofBlue posted:You will be happy to hear that this is pretty much exactly what MaRo said in a later article, reflecting on how DTK went. can you link this because I really hate trying to navigate the motherboard any more and I'd love to read Mark "please don't target me with Tivadar of Thorn's enters the battlefield trigger" Rosewater's writings on this.
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Zoness posted:can you link this because I really hate trying to navigate the motherboard any more and I'd love to read Mark "please don't target me with Tivadar of Thorn's enters the battlefield trigger" Rosewater's writings on this. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/state-design-2015-2015-08-24 Mostly just the "we needed a dragon at common" thing. He does also say that he wished he had challenged the lack of baby dragons, and that it was problematic from a player expectation point of view to start with a wedge set, then have a set that has the most dragons in it, ever, and then try to make the third set a DRAGONS! set. ShadeofBlue fucked around with this message at 19:20 on May 17, 2016 |
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May 17, 2016 19:15
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as-fan is literally the worst shorthand name they could have developed for the concept
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May 17, 2016 19:16
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ShaneB posted:as-fan is literally the worst shorthand name they could have developed for the concept what is literally a better name?
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May 17, 2016 19:18
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Sigma-X posted:what is literally a better name? Speaking as someone relatively new to Magic, I have no idea what as-fan is supposed to mean.
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May 17, 2016 19:20
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It's a polite way to refer to farts.
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Sigma-X posted:what is literally a better name? How about "average number of cards per pack." They don't need a shorthand name that the public sees, imo. They can use as-fan internally, if that's easier/faster to say, but it's not a phrase that players should see, since it's basically nonsense.
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May 17, 2016 19:22
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More like rear end fan.   
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Bugsy posted:More like rear end fan. I have a confession to make. I am Hellsau, and I am an rear end fan.
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May 17, 2016 19:29
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Bugsy posted:More like rear end fan. We saw what happened to the last guy who publically declared his rear end fan status. rip
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May 17, 2016 19:36
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Soul Glo posted:Speaking as someone relatively new to Magic, I have no idea what as-fan is supposed to mean. It was shorthand for "as you fan the pack (and look at all the cards in it), what themes do you see?" Maro tried to say the 'as-fan' of DTK was fine because even if there were no dragons at common there were cards that 'cared about' dragons. Which, you know, you wouldn't have because there were none in the pack.
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May 17, 2016 19:40
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The problem Maro missed was that dragons aren't actually that cool. They hardly had any synergy and they weren't really any different than your average flying creature in limited. Like, the Regent cycle had some interesting potential, but the only one that actually does anything to encourage you to play Dragons is Thunderbreak. It took me a little while to even realize Icefall's third ability only applied to targeting itself. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 19:57 on May 17, 2016 |
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Sigma-X posted:what is literally a better name? per-pack average (ppa) "dragons of tarkir has a ppa of dragons of-" *farts*
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You don't even need arcane jargon. Just call it the concentration of a card type. "DTK had a concentration of 1.X dragons opened per pack."
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