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Zaphod42 posted:I think they just should have called it "John Carmack's Ghosts of Mars". Its a good horror game and a bad doom game. Zaphod42 posted:Doom 3 actually made exactly that mistake. They made a Doom game that was a horror game. They should have called it "John Carmack's Ghosts of Mars", but instead everybody complained about how it played nothing like Doom. Zaphod42 posted:This game has the same problem Doom 3 does. If Doom 3 was just called "John Carmack's Ghosts of Mars" nobody would have complained about it being a horror game.
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Mak0rz posted:All this Quake model chat reminds me of ATI Truform. You mock it now but the very same tech was given a new name and is in every major game these days; you might recognize it as tessellation. It's to this day one of the better forms of lod scaling.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Playstation Doom is good for this too, although some fans get a bit saltier about that since it modifies the original levels of Doom and Doom 2 and removes, replaces and reworks levels to fit the horror-like atmosphere. Playstation Doom didn't replace/remove/rework levels to fit the horror atmosphere. The vast majority of the level changes were copied straight over from Jaguar Doom, where they'd been done because the existing level geometry couldn't be handled by the Jag. Hence why the Doom 1 section in PSX Doom is very cut down feeling, and the Doom II section is much less cut down - this time they only cut just what was needed to run well on the much faster PSX. They did add in colored lighting effects and some Doom II monsters and weapon things to some of the Jaguar Doom levels, of course - that was to help make up for them being made blander.
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Linguica posted:You're proud of that quip huh To be fair, John Carmack's "Ghosts of Mars" really would have been a good title for it.
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Linguica posted:You're proud of that quip huh Oh poo poo I posted the same thing in two different threads? Oh nooooooooooo
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fishmech posted:Playstation Doom didn't replace/remove/rework levels to fit the horror atmosphere. The vast majority of the level changes were copied straight over from Jaguar Doom, where they'd been done because the existing level geometry couldn't be handled by the Jag. Hence why the Doom 1 section in PSX Doom is very cut down feeling, and the Doom II section is much less cut down - this time they only cut just what was needed to run well on the much faster PSX. They did add in colored lighting effects and some Doom II monsters and weapon things to some of the Jaguar Doom levels, of course - that was to help make up for them being made blander. Ah. I don't know a whole lot about Jaguar Doom, I always just thought the levels were modified to fit the Playstation. Neat to know.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Playstation Doom is good for this too, although some fans get a bit saltier about that since it modifies the original levels of Doom and Doom 2 and removes, replaces and reworks levels to fit the Fixed for you, though feel free to argue that they are synonymous. 
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I quite liked the final level in the PSX Doom, which replaced Icon of Sin. I think it was called Redemption Denied. A big arena with one spider mastermind at each opposite end with a shitload of barons of hell in-between.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Honestly, Doom 64 I think does what Doom 3 was trying to do but much better. Sure it isn't nearly as pretty but Doom 64 does have a very foreboding, oppressive and horror-like atmosphere and it has a remarkably different feel to it than the other Doom games, but also has just enough of what made the original Doom games so good that it's still recognizably a Doom game. Doom 64 to me is a light Doom game with a bit of Quake in it's atmosphere. I liked it as a kid, these days I think it's a little overrated. I just find it boring honestly, kind of a generic 90s corridor shooter. On the other hand, Doom 3 I find very underrated. It's an early 2000s shooter with horror movie atmosphere, like F.E.A.R. did a year later. I really dig it, though it has also aged a bit more than some other games I think. But it rocked at the time. Resurrection of Evil on BFG edition still rocks today though, with the super shotty and fast pace. But whicher one you like better, they're going for completely different things, so the comparison is pretty much just whichever one you like better is the "real Doom3". I think Mario64 is way better than Doom64 for the record, I'd rather have that as an official entry in the Doom series. Also, should I watch Ghosts of Mars? I like John Carpenter's Vampires and I also like Ice Cube. What's better that or the Doom movie with The Rock? Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 18:53 on May 17, 2016 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Fixed for you, though feel free to argue that they are synonymous. Well, I remember Playstation Doom being a lot darker and used colored lighting to make some levels a lot moodier. The ambient soundtrack contributed a lot too. But I was like a kid since I last played Playstation Doom so it probably isn't as scary as I remember it being. Heavy Metal posted:Doom 64 to me is a light Doom game with a bit of Quake in it's atmosphere. I liked it as a kid, these days I think it's a little overrated. I just find it boring honestly, kind of a generic 90s corridor shooter. On the other hand, Doom 3 I find very underrated. It's an early 2000s shooter with horror movie atmosphere, like F.E.A.R. did a year later. I really dig it, though it has also aged a bit more than some other games I think. But it rocked at the time. Resurrection of Evil on BFG edition still rocks today though, with the super shotty and fast pace. But whicher one you like better, they're going for completely different things, so the comparison is pretty much just whichever one you like better is the "real Doom3". Doom 64 was a little heavier on puzzles if I remember right. It seemed to crib some stuff from Hexen for that. I still really like it though and I find it more fun to play that Doom 3, which I still think is a good game, it's just not what I'd think of when asked what a Doom game is. I said in the Doom 4 thread that it was more like System Shock: Demons, Jumpscares and Darkness Edition.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:Well, I remember Playstation Doom being a lot darker and used colored lighting to make some levels a lot moodier. The ambient soundtrack contributed a lot too. But I was like a kid since I last played Playstation Doom so it probably isn't as scary as I remember it being. Come to think of it, you should read this page: http://www.classicdoom.com/doomcomp.htm It goes in depth on how all the ports of Doom and Doom II etc vary compared to the original PC Doom. They also have pages for all the maps of the official Doom ports eg this for the PSX games http://www.classicdoom.com/psxmaps.htm to compare against the original PC version: http://www.classicdoom.com/doommaps.htm For instance:  Original Doom E1M1  PSX E1M1  SNES E1M1 You'll notice how the PSX version (which is nearly identical to the Jaguar/Saturn/GBA version) is rather simplified, while the SNES version ends up being much closer to the original PC layout.
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RickVoid posted:On that note, can we get a proper Cyberpunky Shock game again? Will this do? http://www.engadget.com/2016/03/15/system-shock-remake-pre-alpha-footage/ Irrational Games crashed and burned so that's as good as we're gonna get.
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jeeves posted:Thanks, this already looks way more like the Quake I remember than the weird 2002-era super smooth version I was playing before. Quakespasm is absolutely my go-to for a modern GLQuake-alike (that can also be tuned away from some bits of GLQuake ickiness). If you really want the palette-restricted rendering of software mode, you might want to check out the "winquake" variant in this build of Fitzquake Mark V: http://quakeone.com/proquake/interims/mark_v_20160207_windows.zip Qbism Super 8 is also pretty great. It used to be focussed on its own weirdly palettized rendering style and lighting tech, but I think recent releases have been steered toward a more winquake-y look by default (although other palettes are still available). http://super8.qbism.com/
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Heavy Metal posted:Also, should I watch Ghosts of Mars? I like John Carpenter's Vampires and I also like Ice Cube. What's better that or the Doom movie with The Rock? Event Horizon is probably the closest thing to a movie adaptation of Doom's original plot.
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Mordja posted:Whispers of Satan Shadow Hog accidentally logged into the wrong account
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Segmentation Fault posted:Shadow Hog accidentally logged into the wrong account (But really, I never got all that far into WoS; I imagine Mordja's way ahead of me there.)
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Segmentation Fault posted:Shadow Hog accidentally logged into the wrong account IDGI  Anyway, I think I'm on map 22 or 23. Might try and beat it tonight.
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quote:Speaking with Polygon, the developer explained that many people's only exposure to the series is through BioShock, so it's making some tweaks to cater to modern gamers' tastes. That means the tone of the narrative is also set to shift, as is some of the gameplay. but the overall plot will remain. Well that sounds bad.
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Mordja posted:IDGI Shadow Hog italicizes video game titles and is literally the only person I know of that does this. It's peculiar and I find it amusing to a degree.
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Cat Mattress posted:Event Horizon is probably the closest thing to a movie adaptation of Doom's original plot. No, that's the Warhammer 20k film!
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Segmentation Fault posted:Shadow Hog italicizes video game titles and is literally the only person I know of that does this. It's peculiar and I find it amusing to a degree. Although I've never quite decided if source ports count as works. I've sorta committed to MegaWADs counting as works, at least. I suppose map names should have quotation marks, but I'd probably reserve that for the day I decide to say "This map reminds me of "Hangar"" over "This map reminds me of E1M1", which will probably be never.
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Heavy Metal posted:Also, should I watch Ghosts of Mars? I like John Carpenter's Vampires and I also like Ice Cube. What's better that or the Doom movie with The Rock? Now, I'm a big John Carpenter fan, he made two of my top three movies. I liked Ghosts of Mars, but I also recognise that I may not be the most objective person when I say it's enjoyable if not particularly great. It's probably better than the Doom movie, although I enjoyed that one too. I've heard that John Carpenter is actually a big fan of video games, he helped direct the cinematics for FEAR 3, and he's spoken very positively of the Dead Space series, so I wouldn't be surprised if Ghosts of Mars was inspired by Doom to some extent, though I don't think he's said anything about that. Also it as apparently supposed to be a third Snake Plissken movie, Escape from Mars, but that changed after Escape from LA didn't do terribly well.
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Johnny Law posted:Quakespasm is absolutely my go-to for a modern GLQuake-alike (that can also be tuned away from some bits of GLQuake ickiness). Quakespasm + the r_particles 2 (square particles) is working fine for me now. The "Quake Reborn" was using Tenebrae which was apparently a whole new engine port that looked like poo poo-- it made the whole game look like Halo 1 or some crap. I'm glad I dumped it and looked into something more better in a retro since. Only problem with Quakespasm is that once in a while the textures on certain brushes flicker due to lighting or something, but oh well. It feels like 1996 when playing it which is fine by me. Also, it is amazing how much the sounds, models, and textures are burned into my memory from years of playing QWTF from like 1998-2001
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catlord posted:Also it as apparently supposed to be a third Snake Plissken movie, Escape from Mars, but that changed after Escape from LA didn't do terribly well. What the gently caress.
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CJacobs posted:What the gently caress. well at least we got Ghosts of Mars
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Cat Mattress posted:Event Horizon is probably the closest thing to a movie adaptation of Doom's original plot. I like that one, that's a good movie. In The Mouth of Madness is another cool 90s movie with Sam Neill (by the director of Ghosts of Mars no less). catlord posted:Now, I'm a big John Carpenter fan, he made two of my top three movies. I liked Ghosts of Mars, but I also recognise that I may not be the most objective person when I say it's enjoyable if not particularly great. It's probably better than the Doom movie, although I enjoyed that one too. I've heard that John Carpenter is actually a big fan of video games, he helped direct the cinematics for FEAR 3, and he's spoken very positively of the Dead Space series, so I wouldn't be surprised if Ghosts of Mars was inspired by Doom to some extent, though I don't think he's said anything about that. Also it as apparently supposed to be a third Snake Plissken movie, Escape from Mars, but that changed after Escape from LA didn't do terribly well. It's settled, I'm gonna watch Ghosts of Mars! I also enjoyed the Doom movie.
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Shadow Hog posted:Eh, it's just proper grammatical style. Work names get italicized, chapter or song titles get quotation marks. I'm not entirely sure when I started doing this regularly - somewhere around high school, I guess. It's a good rule, but I think you're not going far enough. You should include the year in brackets as well. Otherwise, you could cause confusion when referring to Doom (1993) or Doom (2016).
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Samuel Clemens posted:It's a good rule, but I think you're not going far enough. You should include the year in brackets as well. Otherwise, you could cause confusion when referring to Doom (1993) or Doom (2016). I guess I have to add citations to all my posts from now on. Chicago style, natch.
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Heavy Metal posted:Also, should I watch Ghosts of Mars? I like John Carpenter's Vampires and I also like Ice Cube. What's better that or the Doom movie with The Rock? John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars is pretty much a doom 3 movie, its pretty drat good. Also feels kinda like resident evil or something. The doom movie is horrible and the only reason to watch it is to make fun of it MST3K style. Its schlock all the way through. BUT, butbutbut, would you consider something else? Heavy Metal, have you watched the greatest machinima film of all time, known as The Seal of Nehahra? If not; that is 100% what you should watch. It is Quake: The Movie, and it actually fills in the quake plot of the original single player (which was fairly minimal) in good ways that make the game seem deeper, without really contradicting anything. Here's it on youtube but the quality is poo poo, so you should really download it and render it locally in the quake engine instead if you can. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UaiDBJMhjM Proper version: http://www.moddb.com/mods/nehahra/downloads/seal-of-nehahra Every one of you FPS goons in this thread who hasn't watched this movie, drop what you're doing and watch it right the gently caress now.
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Mordja posted:I guess I have to add citations to all my posts from now on, Chicago style, natch. APA style, you heathen!
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Lemon-Lime posted:No, that's the Warhammer 20k film! There isn't a doom 40k mod, this makes me incredibly sad. 
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Klaus88 posted:There isn't a doom 40k mod, this makes me incredibly sad. There is for half-life though 
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Zaphod42 posted:John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars is pretty much a doom 3 movie, its pretty drat good. Also feels kinda like resident evil or something. Funnily enough, I have seen that! I remember really enjoying that at the time, and the novelty of a fun movie in the Quake engine was great. Everybody should check that out.
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Man I have to accept that my trusty old laptop just isn't up to running Doom 4. 25 fps with everything set to low and the graphics card could fry an egg  Oh well, I'll play it when I get a better PC. Back to Final Doom I think.
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jeeves posted:Quakespasm + the r_particles 2 (square particles) is working fine for me now. To be sort of fair to Tenebrae, it's a really early-days port during the time when it was really interesting to try to wedge other effects into the Quake source. I'm sure there was some smart & hard work that went into it. These days though, yeah, it's probably not what you want. Glad you're all set and happy with Quakepasm! quote:Only problem with Quakespasm is that once in a while the textures on certain brushes flicker due to lighting or something, but oh well. It feels like 1996 when playing it which is fine by me. The flicker is Z-fighting (two surfaces at the same position, and the engine is indecisive about which one to show you). Classic GLQuake issue. I think Quakespasm at one point introduced some heuristics to eliminate Z-fighting, but they got rolled back out again because they adversely affected some user maps. I thiiiiiink that currently Quakespasm will do some map-specific hacks to fix z-fighting instances in the original campaign. Those per-map hacks should be in the Quakespasm.pak file, so if you've removed that file or are using the "-fitz" command-line flag (which among other things avoids loading Quakespasm.pak) then you will lose those fixes. (But I could be misremembering.)
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There was another Quake "The Movie" (actually, a pimped out machinima), with mix of Quake 2 and 3 storylines. Anyone remembers that? Something about Q3 charas (Sarge, Crash etc) working in some prison facility containing Stroggs , the poo poo goes down and they're trying to escape? It was amazing and hilarious at the same time, I remember reading about it in the mag like it was a huge, official deal. holy poo poo I finally remembered the full title, Escape from the Bastille, and found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJn4TzBGb2I (don't try to use the HD setting, it's blurry poo poo anyways) 
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Samuel Clemens posted:It's a good rule, but I think you're not going far enough. You should include the year in brackets as well. Otherwise, you could cause confusion when referring to Doom (1993) or Doom (2016). 
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