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wormil posted:Chat doesn't work either. I'm not into any of them and neither is anyone I know so they are all equally pointless players where I sit. I'm a user and I post all the time. It's the best OS but app developers don't care about phone, so MS is getting desktop and tablet numbers up so developers care about UWP and develop apps for mobile. Honestly, best case scenario is WM will get 10% market share and won't get ignored by developers, but that's years away, if possible. I think right now it feels like MS doesn't care because they need the OS to be polished and ready before they try to attract users from other platforms by launching good hardware and an actual marketing campaign. So we'll continue to bitch and moan about the state of affairs and if the Surface Phone sucks, we can probably all declare WM dead and decide what platform to switch to. In the meantime, we can either be patient again (this update is when it'll really take off, guys. We mean it) or jump ship now and see if they eventually get it together. I've switched to iPhone before, but I have no desire to go back, so I'm deciding between a Note 6 or a surface phone, and guess which one comes out first.
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Mr Funkface posted:I was on a plane yesterday and noticed gogo allow free txt mssgs inflight for TMob if you enable WiFi calling. Last I had seen you need a TMobile flashed device for it to work, but do you have wi-fi calling under SIM settings? EDIT: Just tried a t-mobile SIM in my unlocked AT&T 640 and I don't see an option at all for wi-fi calling, so I'm guessing wah wah, although it's on fast ring. Maneki Neko fucked around with this message at 21:52 on May 17, 2016 |
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Maneki Neko posted:Last I had seen you need a TMobile flashed device for it to work, but do you have wi-fi calling under SIM settings? Nope. It's a Vietnam (I think?) unlocked dual SIM, no TMob flash. No toggle in the SIM settings. I'm either on Slow or Release ring afaik but I haven't checked recently. Either way yeah looks like wah wah.
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http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/18/11699766/microsoft-lumia-phone-brand From press release: "Microsoft will continue to develop Windows 10 Mobile and support Lumia phones such as the Lumia 650, Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL, and phones from OEM partners like Acer, Alcatel, HP, Trinity and VAIO." A little bit of new news that it looks like Lumia might be done as a brand. That doesn't necessarily mean MS is done with making any W10M devices.
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I hate the doom and gloom angle this thread likes to take, but that actually doesn't sound good at all. Why explicitly announce the end of the Lumia devices? Hopefully still a matter of a Surface phone, but bringing that out sure doesn't require announcing what they are not going to do.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:I hate the doom and gloom angle this thread likes to take, but that actually doesn't sound good at all. Why explicitly announce the end of the Lumia devices? Hopefully still a matter of a Surface phone, but bringing that out sure doesn't require announcing what they are not going to do. I think it means the Surface Phone is imminent. That will be MS's last hurrah and if it doesn't work (it won't because MS doesn't seem to know how to unite behind a product - at least in any sort of PR/Marketing sense that is tangible to the public) that will be the end of WP.
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The Lumia brand isn't really worth a whole lot, the Surface brand is better and I absolutely think switching from one to the other is a good idea
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loquacius posted:The Lumia brand isn't really worth a whole lot, the Surface brand is better and I absolutely think switching from one to the other is a good idea Yeah, totally agree - I was stumped when MS bought Nokia then dropped the Nokia branding in favour of growing Lumia which was clearly the weaker of the two despite the short use terms (what was it, 3 years?). Ho hum who knows what these people are doing. "Surface" is not a particularly strong brand to me. Also hint: brands take time to solidify, MS needs to stop changing their minds every five goddamned seconds and settle on something to grow it. The name doesn't make any brand better or worse, it's the loving recognition and connotation. Make it good and people will come. Change it every cycle and people will go away.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:I hate the doom and gloom angle this thread likes to take, but that actually doesn't sound good at all. Why explicitly announce the end of the Lumia devices? Hopefully still a matter of a Surface phone, but bringing that out sure doesn't require announcing what they are not going to do. I have trouble imagining anything W10M related that doesn't spell doom and gloom. A surface phone would have to really shake up the marketplace for it to be anything other than just an irrelevant Lumia with a different name.
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From my perspective the Windows 10 synergies are starting to make themselves known, certainly patches are frequent and apps are clearly benefitting from their desktop equivalents updates. Getting substantial market share seems unlikely for a very long time yet, but there is an ecosystem play which is looking increasingly plausible.
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BonoMan posted:I think it means the Surface Phone is imminent. That will be MS's last hurrah and if it doesn't work (it won't because MS doesn't seem to know how to unite behind a product - at least in any sort of PR/Marketing sense that is tangible to the public) that will be the end of WP. Without an Intel mobile chip I can't see a Surface phone as anything but a different Lumia on a new snapdragon. Since I'm sure they are losing heavy money on the 950's I'm not sure they should keep throwing good money after bad. At this point I think it makes sense to support anyone else who wants to make devices, sell of what they have and just wait for an Intel x86 and decide if they want to reenter the market then.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:From my perspective the Windows 10 synergies are starting to make themselves known, certainly patches are frequent and apps are clearly benefitting from their desktop equivalents updates. Getting substantial market share seems unlikely for a very long time yet, but there is an ecosystem play which is looking increasingly plausible. Without trying to be an rear end what do you mean by "Windows 10 synergies" that is not just a service they can also deploy to iOS and Android? They have onedrive everywhere, they have a launcher everywhere, they have Cortana everywhere, the only things they don't have are deep hooks into the OS and they can probably get those with Android if they try hard enough. Why not just make an Android phone (either AOSP or with Google Play) with deep hooks into the OS and make apps for the play store? UWP has not taken the world by fire so the universal aspect doesn't really matter when the marketshare is 1%. For most app devs it's not even worth buying a W10 device to test one even if they have a great UWP app so either they don't test, or choose to not release for the phone.
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Okay, seriously, now I can't even send Gmail using Outlook - the send arrow is just greyed out. Anyone else having this stupid loving problem?
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I wont make a big effort post about it, but the overall direction is that work made on desktop/tablet actually translates into improvements on the phone, so it does not feel like a forgotten vestigal thing as much as even the technically rather superior 8.1 did.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:I wont make a big effort post about it, but the overall direction is that work made on desktop/tablet actually translates into improvements on the phone, so it does not feel like a forgotten vestigal thing as much as even the technically rather superior 8.1 did. Oh got it so you mean some of the Microsoft created UWP apps are starting to get better on W10M due to UWP. I thought you were saying that there was some kind of advantage to use W10M and W10 that couldn't be leverage to W10 and iOS or Android. That's cool, but isn't it a bit late to try to deliver a good phone experience when iOS and Android has been delivering a phenomenal phone experience for years?
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The Surface brand is starting to gain traction - 1 and 2 were quite heavily criticized but 3 and 4 have had a lot of good press, so now is as good a time as any for a Surface phone and to give it the same marketing push that the tablets have had. That's assuming they are making one - it's such a no-brainer that everyone is assuming one is coming, but as far as I'm aware there's been nothing concrete from Microsoft whatsoever, even a confirmation that new devices are in development.Pipski posted:Okay, seriously, now I can't even send Gmail using Outlook - the send arrow is just greyed out. Anyone else having this stupid loving problem? Seems fine to me. I can't even think what to check for on your end. Edit: Whoof, I wouldn't describe either iOS or Android quite that favourably. Certainly not Android. Doctor_Fruitbat fucked around with this message at 18:50 on May 18, 2016 |
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Seems fine to me. I can't even think what to check for on your end. It's very weird. The send and delete buttons are greyed out but the 'attach' one isn't. Can type text in completely as normal, but not delete it - the backspace button does nothing. And it only affects gmail, not any other accounts. Or any other people, apparently. Utterly frigging bizarre.
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Stick100 posted:Oh got it so you mean some of the Microsoft created UWP apps are starting to get better on W10M due to UWP. I thought you were saying that there was some kind of advantage to use W10M and W10 that couldn't be leverage to W10 and iOS or Android. That's cool, but isn't it a bit late to try to deliver a good phone experience when iOS and Android has been delivering a phenomenal phone experience for years? It's not just updates to UWP apps that Windows 10 Mobile gets benefits from. Updates and patches to Windows 10 desktop will also be pushed to Windows 10 Mobile at the same time or at least close enough. This way, Windows 10 Mobile won't get left in an update limbo or be completely abandoned. (that is without abandoning Windows 10 desktop as well)
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The whole Nokia / Lumia stuff was a direct result of Balmer being a marketing guy and not an actual, you know, CEO. Satya is pretty much done shedding all that dead weight and now hopefully a real phone with actual marketing and momentum behind it can...surface.  I got over my desire to switch to a Lumia 950 by doubling down on iOS and picked up a used apple watch. I think I made the right choice.
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Edward IV posted:It's not just updates to UWP apps that Windows 10 Mobile gets benefits from. Updates and patches to Windows 10 desktop will also be pushed to Windows 10 Mobile at the same time or at least close enough. This way, Windows 10 Mobile won't get left in an update limbo or be completely abandoned. (that is without abandoning Windows 10 desktop as well) Yeah, even more this. In a very real sense W10M is getting into a situation where it feels rather hard to get properly screwed. The market share may not come, the apps situation may not improve, but things are now sort of structured such that the marginal cost to Microsoft in keeping the phone part of the platform around is no longer great, and I feel rather confident that we wont be entirely left behind. It is not a very exciting view of the future, but it may actually be the best route available to the platform. Companies may realize much the same thing when choosing corporate phones: it isn't very fancy but it gets timely security updates (in a stream you likely already monitor anyway) and is pretty certain to work within an Microsoft/Office-based IT infrastructure, so it is a clear option. More of a 10-year plan than a marketing blitz sort of thing. The one wildcard is that I really feel that it signals bad things for even that rather modest vision if Microsoft entirely stops making the hardware themselves, but we'll see.
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2016 Microsoft: We're going to stop making Lumias Thread: Hmm, must mean a Surface Phone is imminent! 2017 Microsoft: We're abandoning mobile. Thread: This must mean the Surface Phone is a true game changer, not just a phone! 2018 Microsoft: There is no Surface Phone. Thread: MS is being secretive so that evil Google and Apple can't steal it's game changing synergy.
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This may be the least cheerleading thread in the history of IYG, so I think your prediction is rather far off there. More likely the majority will go: 2016: All is hosed, get an iPhone 2017: All is hosed, get an iPhone 2018: All is hosed, get an iPhone
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Edward IV posted:It's not just updates to UWP apps that Windows 10 Mobile gets benefits from. Updates and patches to Windows 10 desktop will also be pushed to Windows 10 Mobile at the same time or at least close enough. This way, Windows 10 Mobile won't get left in an update limbo or be completely abandoned. (that is without abandoning Windows 10 desktop as well) UWP lets me do poo poo like this https://twitter.com/drasticactionSA/status/733127531650506753 And all I had to do was hit "deploy" in Visual Studio. That's pretty cool IMO.
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Drastic Actions posted:UWP lets me do poo poo like this Yes UWP is awesome but it doesn't have a Network effect if no one knows about it or uses it. Remember when Silverlight and WPF came on the scene did everyone stop Winform and direct win32 development? Of course hindsight is 20-20 but if they could have gotten UWP working on updated Win7 and Win8 and outside of the Win app store I think it might have picked up some speed. Locking out Win7 and Win8 and enterprise that doesn't trust an App store/does its own deploys has frozen a ton of new development that would have moved from WPF/Winform to UWP. In my personal view the hopeful future of UWP is pulling in the Xamarin/Mono work so you can do that one button deploy but also to Android, IOS, OSX and Linux. Oh and back porting the functionality to Win7/8 and allowing a normal deploy (non-ms account non-app store frictionless install and uninstall). I know there's no chance of that so probably the real universal platform is html5 with asm.js.
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They should have called it WUP. It's better as the word "WUP" and "double-you you pee". "UWP" is an awkward acronym. This is my contribution.
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Drastic Actions posted:UWP lets me do poo poo like this xylo fucked around with this message at 05:46 on May 20, 2016 |
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xylo posted:http://www.neowin.net/news/terry-myerson-microsoft-is-committed-to-windows-10-mobile-for-years-to-come Explicit reference to a device roadmap for Microsoft itself; all I really needed to know to be comfortable. Still really stupid to announce the retirement of the Lumia brand, since it is entirely useless information to the market, the only thing it could achieve was create confusion. Finally ordered one of those fancy Mozo leather backs to celebrate.
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This is of course the same Terry Myerson who said that Windows Phone wasn't their focus this year http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/30/11333378/microsoft-windows-phone-windows-mobile-plans So perhaps the headline of the neowin article should rather be Terry Myerson: Microsoft is committed to Windows 10 Mobile in years to come. (after everybody's given up on it)
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:Explicit reference to a device roadmap for Microsoft itself; all I really needed to know to be comfortable. Still really stupid to announce the retirement of the Lumia brand, since it is entirely useless information to the market, the only thing it could achieve was create confusion. Man, I honestly don't know how that reassured you at all. He said a bunch of nothing, and that sales number trend 
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The sales number trend is not new, and my actual worry was that Microsoft would leave the hardware to OEMs, since that'd signal some real divestment. As long as they plan to bring out any kind of device I am pretty relaxed about it.
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xylo posted:Hololens is really fun to use. Best toy I've bought in a long time. Our whole office is enamored with it, and it's really fun to develop for.
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Drastic Actions posted:UWP lets me do poo poo like this Haha, I stopped watching this video before the payoff the first time, that indeed looks really neat!
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Drastic Actions posted:Best toy I've bought in a long time. Our whole office is enamored with it, and it's really fun to develop for. A lot of MS's focus these days seems to be on delighting developers (developers developers *throws chair*) -- Bash, UWP, and Islandwood all come to mind as highly-publicized features that directly target devs. Hololens seems like it could be at least partially based around the same idea, because they're not pumping out shovelware games for it like VR makers.
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loquacius posted:A lot of MS's focus these days seems to be on delighting developers (developers developers *throws chair*) -- Bash, UWP, and Islandwood all come to mind as highly-publicized features that directly target devs. Hololens seems like it could be at least partially based around the same idea, because they're not pumping out shovelware games for it like VR makers. Arstech has a really up beat and interesting article about how we got from Win CE/7/NT/7/8/.... to windows everywhere. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/onecore-to-rule-them-all-how-windows-everywhere-finally-happened/ The question that came to mind for me though is, does it make sense to not open source min-core, min-win, and other various parts of Windows. Does it even make sense to charge for Windows anymore? Should MS take a google like approach and open up areas of the OS to open source and maintain parts closed source (AOSP vs Google Apps)? I've personally been under the impression since Win10 was free that Windows 10 will go free eventually. I figured that Win 10 will make a push up until June then right before the deadline extend out another year, then after that make it free for everyone. I mean it seems like MS is ready to switch to that model already http://www.winbeta.org/news/microsoft-pirates-can-upgrade-windows-10-free-desktop-watermark-will-haunt-them. They'd give up OEM revenue but I think it would be worth it to try to keep the desktop OS.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:Haha, I stopped watching this video before the payoff the first time, that indeed looks really neat! Yes me as well, that turns out to be much better than I'd expected.
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Stick100 posted:Yes me as well, that turns out to be much better than I'd expected. Cybernetic Vermin posted:Haha, I stopped watching this video before the payoff the first time, that indeed looks really neat! Future videos will cut straight to the chase 
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