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Gapey Joe Stalin posted:I can actually believe AoS sells better for models (not books though) than WFB by the simple merit of being orders of magnitude cheaper to buy into. When it was cancelled WFB was neck deep in "oh you need 100 of those models at twenty quid for a box of fifteen just to make one unit" territory. 8th edition fantasy was hurt by GW overpricing their minis for the numbers you needed. People keep saying Kings of War's a really cheap game an it needs at least as many minis as a similar sized Warhammer game, potentially more. Mantic's pricing means it's actually got a sensible buy in to people that aren't disenfranchised Warhammer players. GW's pricing strangled fantasy so they killed it rather than doing anything sensible like lowering entry costs.
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Gapey Joe Stalin posted:I can actually believe AoS sells better for models (not books though) than WFB by the simple merit of being orders of magnitude cheaper to buy into. When it was cancelled WFB was neck deep in "oh you need 100 of those models at twenty quid for a box of fifteen just to make one unit" territory. I don't see how it's easier to buy into. I mean fantasy was prohibitively expensive but it's something like $20 per sigmarine and $40+ for characters. They reduced the scale of the game* and increased the prices of models to compensate. * - remember, there's no sort of balancing mechanism to control the size of one's army in AoS. You can literally dump your entire collection on the table against someone. AoS definitely should've been a skirmish game in the fantasy universe with fantasy getting cheaper and actually get support and balance outside of the developers favorite armies, but you don't sack executives or double back on core selling points of the game (no points) when your product is pulling in better numbers than what it replaced
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ro5s posted:8th edition fantasy was hurt by GW overpricing their minis for the numbers you needed. People keep saying Kings of War's a really cheap game an it needs at least as many minis as a similar sized Warhammer game, potentially more. Mantic's pricing means it's actually got a sensible buy in to people that aren't disenfranchised Warhammer players. You can play a 2000 point game of KoW with 6 guys and some unit filler as long as the base sizes are right.
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sassassin posted:You can play a 2000 point game of KoW with 6 guys and some unit filler as long as the base sizes are right. I thought KoW2 required footprints to contain half the "full" number of models plus one? I remember being annoyed when considering boring 30mm holes for my WMH models into big squares, then learning it would violate the letter of KoW2's rules. I'm sure people would let us use fewer, but then we're back to the lazy reliance on social engineering poo poo that makes GW games bad.
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SRM posted:I think a streamlining of the game is gonna happen at some point, but I doubt it'll be AoS levels of simplification. I'm thinking more 2nd ed 40k to 3rd ed 40k. AoS is apparently selling better than Fantasy was though. No it isn't. Anyone that says otherwise is flat out lying.
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May 18, 2016 23:22
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serious gaylord, my kind of gaylord
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Sulecrist posted:I thought KoW2 required footprints to contain half the "full" number of models plus one? I remember being annoyed when considering boring 30mm holes for my WMH models into big squares, then learning it would violate the letter of KoW2's rules. I'm sure people would let us use fewer, but then we're back to the lazy reliance on social engineering poo poo that makes GW games bad. It's half the number of models plus 1. A unit of 20 20mm square dudes requires a tray with a 100x80mm footprint but you only have to have 11 guys on there. I use my WMH models for KoW all the time. Edit: Ugh, that's exactly what you said. I'm great at posting.
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fnordcircle posted:It's half the number of models plus 1. It's not a rule though, it's just a guide for mantic run tournaments, and even then there's leeway in it and it is up to the TOs discretion. For example it would probably be OK having 3 ogre sized miniatures representing a troop of 10 infantry.
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May 18, 2016 23:52
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serious gaylord posted:No it isn't. Anyone that says otherwise is flat out lying. If anyone has a proven track record regarding AoS, it's SGL.
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serious gaylord posted:No it isn't. Anyone that says otherwise is flat out lying. [CITATION NEEDED]
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AoS is a roaring success until proved otherwise. Ignore the death of the tournament scene, the death of AoS across almost the entire of Europe, the backtracking and releasing of a points system, the growth of other games.
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Big Willy Style posted:It's not a rule though, it's just a guide for mantic run tournaments, and even then there's leeway in it and it is up to the TOs discretion. For example it would probably be OK having 3 ogre sized miniatures representing a troop of 10 infantry. Ok rule wise but dumb as gently caress visually.
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I stand by Gaylord. He knows his poo poo and has been one of our inside dudes for a long time. Even more so because he was really optimistic about GW before they atom bombed the fantasy range.
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BULBASAUR posted:I stand by Gaylord. He knows his poo poo and has been one of our inside dudes for a long time. Even more so because he was really optimistic about GW before they atom bombed the fantasy range. He's my Gaylord too.
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His username avatar combo makes me laugh cause I'm 5.
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Big Willy Style posted:It's not a rule though, it's just a guide for mantic run tournaments, and even then there's leeway in it and it is up to the TOs discretion. For example it would probably be OK having 3 ogre sized miniatures representing a troop of 10 infantry. KoW also only really cares about two things when it comes to a unit: the size of the footprint, and the leader point (aka the center of the front line). You can literally play with cardboard sheets and it wouldn't impact how the game is played except on a visually pleasing level.
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Does anyone have suggestions for bits to use as aircraft bombs? I think Forge World used to sell something called "aircraft heavy bombs", but they seem to have disappeared. I want to put some on my Lightning for 30k to represent Phosphex. The usual aftermarket bits stores have turned up squat.
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my sources tell me AoS is selling extremely well *farts for all eternity*
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DrPop posted:Does anyone have suggestions for bits to use as aircraft bombs? I think Forge World used to sell something called "aircraft heavy bombs", but they seem to have disappeared. I want to put some on my Lightning for 30k to represent Phosphex. The usual aftermarket bits stores have turned up squat. I got ya bro http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bombs-Small-8-/262136054115 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bombs-Medium-4-/252163777844 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Missile-Small-4-/262136060883 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Missile-Medium-4-/252163783863
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Slimnoid posted:KoW also only really cares about two things when it comes to a unit: the size of the footprint, and the leader point (aka the center of the front line). You can literally play with cardboard sheets and it wouldn't impact how the game is played except on a visually pleasing level. If you are playing a mediocre game with a price tag of hundreds of dollars for models you slavishly paint up the game better be visually pleasing or you may as well be playing with opossum turds.
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May 19, 2016 01:47
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You could play 40k with pogs and cardboard boxes right?
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Uroboros posted:You could play 40k with pogs and cardboard boxes right? You could.
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LingcodKilla posted:If you are playing a mediocre game with a price tag of hundreds of dollars for models you slavishly paint up the game better be visually pleasing or you may as well be playing with opossum turds. But enough about 40k.
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AoS is doing great. That's why the SA WFB thread is still going strong right?
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Yeast posted:[CITATION NEEDED] how about thousands of game stores completely unable to sell that poo poo garbage poo poo lmao
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BULBASAUR posted:I got ya bro You da man. Thanks.
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GW posted the FAQs for Guard, Sisters, and Inquisition: https://www.facebook.com/1575682476085719/photos/a.1576243776029589.1073741828.1575682476085719/1617411898579443/?type=3
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That's just mean though.
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TheChirurgeon posted:GW posted the FAQs for Guard, Sisters, and Inquisition: https://www.facebook.com/1575682476085719/photos/a.1576243776029589.1073741828.1575682476085719/1617411898579443/?type=3 It's got one for the stormtrooper codex, not the Guard, and it was a pretty dumb question to begin with.
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Uroboros posted:You could play 40k with pogs and cardboard boxes right? No - it's a 'True Line of Sight' game, so you need the real models to work out who can see who,as bases count for close combat but not line of sight.... why, yes, my fragile Harlequins are all posed on bits of rubble that makes then easier to see than Space Marines, why do you ask ?
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BULBASAUR posted:I got ya bro Or you could just get military models and save some cash: https://www.megahobby.com/categories/military-models/1-35-diorama-accessories.html
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Slimnoid posted:KoW also only really cares about two things when it comes to a unit: the size of the footprint, and the leader point (aka the center of the front line). You can literally play with cardboard sheets and it wouldn't impact how the game is played except on a visually pleasing level. It's a good way to test armies and configurations you don't own before you buy them, or play a practise game against a friend considering getting into it when you don't have a second army ready for them to borrow.
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To be fair, if someone's multibasing their Sigmar dudes so they can use them in both games, I'm not really going to care if they can only fit 3/9 per troop/regiment.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Or you could just get military models and save some cash: https://www.megahobby.com/categories/military-models/1-35-diorama-accessories.html How is it considered acceptable to sell miniatures with no pictures of the minis whatsoever? I saw lots of these at a hobby store I stopped by last week, historical planes and soldiers that just have a painting on the front and nothing more. That seems ridiculous to me.
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That's just how scale modeling works. Sometimes you get a picture of the plane on the side of the box, but not all the time. That being said, it is a consistant hobby, you you know what to expect depending on the brand. But yeah, paintings are what you normally get for the box cover.
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I dunno, just feels like you have zero confidence in your sculpts at that point. And too lazy to paint one up nice to take a picture to show off? GW minis are sold by the really amazing Heavy Metal paintjob pictures that they put on every box. That's smart but still lets you see what you're getting. I prefer to be able to see what the sprue looks like before I buy, even, much less just what the mini looks like. If GW just put some epic painting on the cover of a box, no way would I take a chance on that. Guess you can look them up online these days but it just seems weird and cheap not to have a picture. I guess scale modelling is so old it comes from when they didn't even have good cameras and that's how they made do, but get with the times.
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GW minis were always sold with art on the box until very recently. They usually had the actual model on the sides or back, like historical/gundam models do. Art serves a very good purpose: to inspire the modeler in what their miniature can become, and what they imagine in their heads as they play with them, in a way that realistic photos cannot.
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Zaphod42 posted:I dunno, just feels like you have zero confidence in your sculpts at that point. And too lazy to paint one up nice to take a picture to show off? All the model aircraft I've done have the usual painting on the front, but then pictures of the sprues and the painted model on the sides/back of the box. I guess it just depends if you buy it online or in a store as to whether you can see those pictures, but you can always look them up elsewhere if not.
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Chill la Chill posted:GW minis were always sold with art on the box until very recently. They usually had the actual model on the sides or back, like historical/gundam models do. Art serves a very good purpose: to inspire the modeler in what their miniature can become, and what they imagine in their heads as they play with them, in a way that realistic photos cannot. I think art on the box started around 6th edition Fantasy (not sure where 40k was at that time). I definitely remember back in the day that the boxes all had actual models on them up to at least when Regiments of Renown were sold.
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