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The NDP elbow debacle notwithstanding, it was emphatically dumb of him to physically grab the Con Whip. No where is it acceptable to do something like that no matter what the intent behind it, you do not have the right to invade another's space like that. In any other situation the whip would have grounds for an assault charge. He should've just threatened to and/or ask the speaker to have those NDP MPs ejected if they didn't stop their juvenile blocking game. Assert the authority of Parliament while maintaining his decorum. Trudeau is not a very well tuned politician. It's insane to have a lapse in judgment this bad as the leader of government, god drat
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:The NDP elbow debacle notwithstanding, it was emphatically dumb of him to physically grab the Con Whip. No where is it acceptable to do something like that no matter what the intent behind it, you do not have the right to invade another's space like that. In any other situation the whip would have grounds for an assault charge. If you try to touch me I'm going to press charges.
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May 19, 2016 12:10
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"...impacted by my actions..."  good time for a joke. Seems genuinely sorry for acting to impact someone.
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May 19, 2016 13:11
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Trudeau's behaviour is a natural consequence of the state's reckless unwillingness to regulate testosterone, which causes one to seek dominance over fellow man. All citizens should be fitted with a negative feedback device at a young age, administering electric shocks whenever testosterone levels elevate. Within a few generations, we can be free of the scourge of dominant men and their anger, paving the way for a bright, peaceful future. In the meantime, chemical castration.
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May 19, 2016 13:19
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quote:He should've just threatened to and/or ask the speaker to have those NDP MPs ejected if they didn't stop their juvenile blocking game. Assert the authority of Parliament while maintaining his decorum. Is there a reason the speaker wasn't already doing this?
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May 19, 2016 13:21
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bunnyofdoom posted:Hey, this is rare, but I agree 100% with EMay. Yeah her interview on the CBC seemed pretty well reasoned. I mean EMay has pretty dumb views about most things but I get that she loves parliamentary and policy procedure and cares about it a lot (see her pretty good take about the breakdown between the privy council and the PMO a few years ago). And then she goes and writes a letter to the Queen and it's back to nonsense land.
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May 19, 2016 13:39
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quote:Good Thursday morning to you.
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May 19, 2016 13:51
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The difference between Niki Ashton saying something dumb and Justin Trudeau throwing a manic hissy fit in front of cameras because he was late for a reception is that one of them came in seventh of seven in their party's leadership contest and the other is imbued with total control over the legislative and executive branches of government.
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May 19, 2016 14:16
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Dreylad posted:As our BJ Siekierski reports, just over an hour before Trudeau was to rise to deliver the apology to Canada’s Sikh population for the incident, Paul Fromm — an anti-immigration activist previously banned from entering Parliament — was scheduled to hold a press conference opposing it. It never happened, however, as he was denied access to Parliament. Dude's website is amazing to behold.
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May 19, 2016 14:24
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Trudeau = Ghomeshi https://twitter.com/lraitt/status/733283655754342400?s=09
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May 19, 2016 14:32
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DynamicSloth posted:The difference between Niki Ashton saying something dumb and Justin Trudeau throwing a manic hissy fit in front of cameras because he was late for a reception is that one of them came in seventh of seven in their party's leadership contest and the other is imbued with total control over the legislative and executive branches of government. Or what actually happened which was the ndp mps was blocking the conservative whip from getting to his seat.
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May 19, 2016 14:32
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DynamicSloth posted:The difference between Niki Ashton saying something dumb and Justin Trudeau throwing a manic hissy fit in front of cameras because he was late for a reception is that one of them came in seventh of seven in their party's leadership contest and the other is imbued with total control over the legislative and executive branches of government. Yeah stephen harper may have been the dark lord but at least he didnt go around throwing temper tantrums like a toddler
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May 19, 2016 14:34
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bunnyofdoom posted:Or what actually happened which was the ndp mps was blocking the conservative whip from getting to his seat. 
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May 19, 2016 14:36
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I was referring to the spin that it happened because trudeau was late to reception and was trying to force his way through
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May 19, 2016 14:37
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The only thing more childish than the Prime Minister grabbing and pulling a grown man by the arm is the reaction to the Prime Minister grabbing and pulling a grown man by the arm. What a loving mess on all sides.
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May 19, 2016 14:41
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How loving petty is this country and its elected officials that this is anything more than a blip?
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May 19, 2016 14:42
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bunnyofdoom posted:Or what actually happened which was the ndp mps was blocking the conservative whip from getting to his seat. Yeah they're the minority opposition in a Westminster Parliament pissant stalling tactics are literally the only thing they can do, not really a good excuse for the Prime Minister to lose his head.
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May 19, 2016 14:44
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DynamicSloth posted:Yeah they're the minority opposition in a Westminster Parliament pissant stalling tactics are literally the only thing they can do, not really a good excuse for the Prime Minister to lose his head. the speaker would have grounds to tell them to gently caress off right? Like, there are so many ways this could've been handled why would he jump to this one
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May 19, 2016 14:50
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The NDP are a bunch of whiny man children who will use any small breach to say "hey look at me!" Because they can't handle the fact that they are an irrelevant also-ran.
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May 19, 2016 14:56
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Mister Prime Minister, when did you stop beating the opposition?
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May 19, 2016 15:01
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I look forward to Mulcair asking "Mr. Prime Minister, why do you beat women?" in every Question Period from now until the heat death of the universe.
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May 19, 2016 15:03
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:the speaker would have grounds to tell them to gently caress off right? Like, there are so many ways this could've been handled why would he jump to this one There were multiple ways it could have been handled without every party looking like a bunch of whiny dipshits yes. But that wouldnt be a very Canadian way to handle things now would it? vvv e: Yeah what the NDP was doing is something that happens commonly enough in parliament that it shouldnt have been anything but business as usual. I dont know what the gently caress Trudeau as thinking when he did that. Furnaceface fucked around with this message at 15:08 on May 19, 2016 |
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May 19, 2016 15:04
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:the speaker would have grounds to tell them to gently caress off right? Like, there are so many ways this could've been handled why would he jump to this one Technically what the opposition was doing was legal wasn't it? Who needs to be sitting down/How many people need to be sitting for a vote to take place? If they dragged it out long enough the Speaker could have just held them in comtempt and that would have been it and Trudeau would of come out looking like a hero.
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May 19, 2016 15:04
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Amgard posted:Mister Prime Minister, when did you stop beating the opposition? With the state of the opposition, he probably won't stop for another decade. (also this is totally a blip for anyone who isn't heavily invested in political day to day... it's a 15 second radio spot that someone laughs at)
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May 19, 2016 15:06
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bunnyofdoom posted:I was referring to the spin that it happened because trudeau was late to reception and was trying to force his way through Why did he lose it then? The NDP had a zero percent chance of actually stopping any government business.
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May 19, 2016 15:09
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If my wife was been dumped on unfairly in every newspaper for weeks, I might lose my temper at work too. Just sayin' Also, gently caress this dumb country for making me constantly defend Trudeau.
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May 19, 2016 15:09
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brucio posted:Trudeau = Ghomeshi This event puts a whole new spin on Sophie needing help. What else is this mad dog doing?
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It's really fascinating how the narrative has already filtered through a lot of people who are beginning to soak up the biased version of events even when they didn't buy into this manufactured bullshit yesterday. Trudeau threw a TEMPER TANTRUM!! Trudeau CHARGED ACROSS THE ROOM!! Former boxer Justin Trudeau, son of legendary violent thug Pierre Trudeau...iPolitics posted:Trudeau then appeared to almost come to blows with NDP Leader Tom Mulcair who yelled at him when Trudeau then crossed the floor a second time to the opposition benches to apologize to a shaken Brosseau. JT was standing calmly in front of Mulcair who was literally howling with performative rage. How can anyone watch this and come to the above conclusion?? http://www.cpac.ca/en/programs/house-of-commons/episodes/47658712/ Here's the goddamn video. Go to 1:15. You see Trudeau walking at a normal pace across the floor looking for Brosseau to apologize to her. Mulcair sees him approaching and begins shouting at him. JT ignores Mulcair, tries to talk to Brosseau but she's already left the room. JT turns and addresses Mulcair. We can't see his face from this angle but we can see Mulcair waving his arms and shouting while JT is standing calmly, neither advancing or retreating, his arms hanging at his sides. How is that "almost com[ing] to blows"? What's with all the news outlets blatantly attempting to skew the story?
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:If my wife was been dumped on unfairly in every newspaper for weeks, I might lose my temper at work too. According to Emay the frustration arose from the close vote the previous day. Doesn't excuse him being an idiot of course but I think we can take the PT6A approach and call everyone an idiot in this situation.
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Dreylad posted:According to Emay the frustration arose from the close vote the previous day. Doesn't excuse him being an idiot of course but I think we can take the PT6A approach and call everyone an idiot in this situation. The PT6A approach would be to call everyone cunts then talk about shooting people in the face. The CI approach is to call everyone idiots. Get your shitposters straight. 
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:If my wife was been dumped on unfairly in every newspaper for weeks, I might lose my temper at work too. I'm not sure "Prime Minister loses it because his wife is a public figure" is much of a defence either, since she's not going anywhere and he still has to be the Prime Minister everyday.
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Dreylad posted:According to Emay the frustration arose from the close vote the previous day. Doesn't excuse him being an idiot of course but I think we can take the PT6A approach and call everyone an idiot in this situation. According to Emay, water has memories of things dissolved in it so y'know your mileage may vary there.
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DynamicSloth posted:I'm not sure "Prime Minister loses it because his wife is a public figure" is much of a defence either, since she's not going anywhere and he still has to be the Prime Minister everyday. An explanation is not a defense, please learn the difference.
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Brannock posted:How is that "almost com[ing] to blows"? What's with all the news outlets blatantly attempting to skew the story? People love reading about how other people are hypocrites and they love reading about popular people's flaws. Trudeau calling himself a feminist everyday for 6 months and then losing his cool and getting physical, especially with darling Ruth Ellen, is going to sell a ton of newspapers.
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May 19, 2016 15:17
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Brannock posted:An explanation is not a defense, please learn the difference. Yeah I used the word defend but meant generally not really defending his behavior here. I get it though, the guy's only human.
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May 19, 2016 15:19
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You guys actually think your elected mps aren't venal shitheads 
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Brannock posted:An explanation is not a defense, please learn the difference. He literally said he was defending Trudeau in the post I quoted.
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DynamicSloth posted:He literally said he was defending Trudeau in the post I quoted. who honestly reads posts anymore
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Settle down #canpoli , this is hardly Trudeaus Shawnigan handshake. I can't believe EMay is the voice of reason with Mulcair grasping at straws to try and demonize what was a harmless brush up against a person. My conservative FB feed is gobbling this story up, desperately trying to defame media darling Trudeau any way possible.
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DynamicSloth posted:He literally said he was defending Trudeau in the post I quoted. Dreylad posted:who honestly reads posts anymore I do and I read that the speculative explanation for Trudeau being in a bad mood and quick to get angry with people in Parliament is separate from him griping about having to defend Trudeau against outright lies, as indicated by "also," jm20 posted:My conservative FB feed is gobbling this story up, desperately trying to defame media darling Trudeau any way possible. Anything from Rona Ambrose yet?
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