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BrianWilly posted:Who is this addressing 'cuz this could mean practically anyone here lol TFRazorsaw posted:His pain and frustration is sold with all the sincerity of someone wondering who farted. But that's more on Cavill I guess. Looks more worried, maybe crestfallen, to me.
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Jonny_Rocket posted:Fair enough. Well again not to sound smug, but there can be good values and bad values. The whole question of boundaries is really a moot one. MacheteZombie posted:Looks more worried, maybe crestfallen, to me. "Superman isn't empathetic at all. He doesn't care for others!" "Heh, Superman looks like he smelled a fart." BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 00:32 on May 19, 2016 |
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TFRazorsaw posted:His pain and frustration is sold with all the sincerity of someone wondering who farted. But that's more on Cavill I guess. No he's made other movies, he has the full range of human emotion available to him. That's just how he's being directed. e: BravestOfTheLamps posted:Well again not to sound smug And as a side note if anyone in this thread has felt smug about a single thing they posted in it, you really shouldn't have. Mulva fucked around with this message at 00:32 on May 19, 2016 |
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May 19, 2016 00:29
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so can people stop acting like they're not responding to the negative reception now or are people gonna keep clinging to that? MacheteZombie posted:Looks more worried, maybe crestfallen, to me. I get that he's SUPPOSED to be somber but it's just not conveyed very well. And like, I'm autistic. I'm not gonna say all people visibly emote the same way. But I've also seen Cavill's other work and I don't think that's the case here. I know I said "I guess that's on Cavill" but after thinking about it, I'm gonna chalk this one up to poor direction.
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I think he's fine. He's also good in The Man from U.N.C.L.E, if you care to see him in something else.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:"Superman isn't empathetic at all. He doesn't care for others!" I get what Snyder is trying to go for, as I've said. But a film is ultimately the sum of its parts, and whatever led to Cavill's dull performance (not even dour, just DULL) undermines the sense that Superman is "broken" by these experiences.
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All is forgiven. I never liked Wally that much anyway.
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Going back to Civil War, I have to say one thing to appreciate about the comic vs the movie is that it sticks with its central conflict (State vs Individuals) all the way through. The movie on the other hand obfuscates that with "personal" conflicts and then changes the conflict for the ending! The political conflict becomes almost incomprehensible. But there's still no reason to just read I Don't Need Your Civil War instead. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 18:28 on May 19, 2016 |
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May 19, 2016 15:58
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Ah, so the Justice League movie will have murderous Blue Lanterns.
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TFRazorsaw posted:No reason to research further? He's the director and creative head of a huge film. Research is literally one of the things he SHOULD be doing. The book is several decades old by now. It's been analyzed to hell and back by more than just nerds with blogs. This is by no means OBSCURE. What, EXACTLY, are you asking him to do for research? He's making a movie based(sorta) on a comic book that he likes, why in the hell would he expect to need to read anything outside of the comic book he likes?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Going back to Civil War, I have to say one thing to appreciate about the comic vs the movie is that it sticks with its central conflict (State vs Individuals) all the way throug. The movie on the other hand obfuscates that with "personal" conflicts and then changes the conflict for the ending! The political conflict becomes almost incomprehensible. It definitely shifts, which is why I'm 100% Team Iron Man at the start (because COME ON, why are they not supervised by somebody) and Team Cap through most of the rest of the movie - there's two separate issues. I don't think it's incomprehensible, though. The politics don't really change at any point, they just become secondary to the plot.
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MacheteZombie posted:I think he's fine. The Man from U.N.C.L.E. was a really fun movie and I'm sad that it almost certainly won't get a sequel, since stylized cold-war spy thriller/action/comedies are apparently extremely my poo poo. Cavill was a major reason I enjoyed it as much as I did, so I too am willing to attribute any perceived deficiencies in his Superman to outside circumstances rather than any limitations on his part. And actually now that I think about it I realize I'd be more hyped for the purely theoretical sequel to that movie than any of DC's currently announced future lineup, which makes me feel weird. LGD fucked around with this message at 19:08 on May 19, 2016 |
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TFRazorsaw posted:His pain and frustration is sold with all the sincerity of someone wondering who farted. But that's more on Cavill I guess. No, I watched Man From UNCLE the other day and Cavill was wonderful in it. This is on Snyder. Also, stop arguing with lamps, we don't need our own knockoff any gimmick. Edit:. Oh, hi next page and half a dozen UNCLE posts. Soonmot fucked around with this message at 19:12 on May 19, 2016 |
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Soonmot posted:No, I watched Man From UNCLE the other day and Cavill was wonderful in it. This is on Snyder. Also, stop arguing with lamps, we don't need our own knockoff any gimmick. Yeah, I later said it's probably more due to crummy direction. theflyingorc posted:What, EXACTLY, are you asking him to do for research? He's making a movie based(sorta) on a comic book that he likes, why in the hell would he expect to need to read anything outside of the comic book he likes? What people have said about it over the years? A bloody synopsis? I dunno, maybe it'd be at lest worthwhile to check if a fact is true before using it as ammunition to defend a creative choice he made.
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People stopped caring about BvS long ago. Nobody liked this version of the characters, and it suffered for it. Why on earth would you make a superman movie that kids couldnt enjoy?
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Fsmhunk posted:People stopped caring about BvS long ago. Nobody liked this version of the characters, and it suffered for it. Why on earth would you make a superman movie that kids couldnt enjoy? The Batman in BvS was largely really well received and people are happy wtih Ben Affleck as the character. There's a fair bit of "I'll be glad to see him in a film not directed by Zach Snyder" stuff out there.
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Fsmhunk posted:People stopped caring about BvS long ago. Nobody liked this version of the characters, and it suffered for it. Why on earth would you make a superman movie that kids couldnt enjoy? I liked this version, had have heard that kids really liked BvS.
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theflyingorc posted:What, EXACTLY, are you asking him to do for research? He's making a movie based(sorta) on a comic book that he likes, why in the hell would he expect to need to read anything outside of the comic book he likes? I sincerely doubt that Zack Snyder has ever read TDKR, considering literally everything outside of "Batman and Superman fight at the end" is different. And that, in and of itself, is fine. Snyder shouldn't be obligated to have to read the comics, or specific ones (Although I would say it's at the very least a good idea to familiarize yourself with the characters before making a movie starring those characters). It's quite another thing, though, to make a lovely movie and then to, instead of defending the (bad) artistic choices he made, to insist it's source-faithful when anyone with eyes can see that it's absolutely, positively, in no way source-faithful. This is the problem. It's not that Snyder didn't read TDKR, it's that he insists that his movie is validated due to TDKR, a book he clearly did not read. Snyder made a bad movie based off an original story, and he should just loving own that over going on and on that it's validated within the canon, especially when he points to a thirty-year-old story with a completely different plot, characters, themes, and resolution than his own. It's absurd, and makes him look actively ignorant.
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Toxxupation posted:I sincerely doubt that Zack Snyder has ever read TDKR, considering literally everything outside of "Batman and Superman fight at the end" is different. He makes direct visual references to TDKR and the film itself intentionally inverts the roles of Superman and Batman in a way that only makes sense if you're really familiar with the source material. It is akin to the Shining where is both demonstrates familiarity with the source material and yet doesn't intend to match the exact themes and plots. You're free to think he shouldn't be justifying his decisions with a What-If Elseworld (and I agree) but it's pretty unlikely he didn't read the book.
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I kind of wish the entire movie of X-Men Apocalypse was just this instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kniQrk9jw0
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I feel like the strongest elements of the new movies are when they lean into it being a period piece. It's a shame to hear that's not a big factor in XMA.
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Looks like the Boyaga being in Black Panther rumor was false, according to the dread Faraci: http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/19/john-boyega-is-not-circling-black-panther
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There is a shift in Civil War, but I thought it was pretty easy to follow. It was even kinda how it was in the comics. They were fighting about the law until Tony crossed a line. Then they were just fighting each other. For multiple reasons on both sides. Cap broke the law, Bucky killed people, the friends were accomplices. Tony locked up Wanda and refused to listen to reason or ask any questions. FIGHT!
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X-O posted:I kind of wish the entire movie of X-Men Apocalypse was just this instead.
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LGD posted:The Man from U.N.C.L.E. was a really fun movie and I'm sad that it almost certainly won't get a sequel, since stylized cold-war spy thriller/action/comedies are apparently extremely my poo poo. Cavill was a major reason I enjoyed it as much as I did, so I too am willing to attribute any perceived deficiencies in his Superman to outside circumstances rather than any limitations on his part. The other thing about U.N.C.L.E is that once the (excellently done) opening segment behind the dread miserable Iron Curtain is over, it's of the most beautiful looking films of the decade. I just wanna hop in a time machine and head straight for 60s Italy after watching it, it's one of those films that really nails the 'every frame a picture' thing. Christ, that scene where the evil genius lady just drapes herself on the sofa looking down at Cavill... 
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X-O posted:I kind of wish the entire movie of X-Men Apocalypse was just this instead. Ignite Memories posted:I feel like the strongest elements of the new movies are when they lean into it being a period piece. It's a shame to hear that's not a big factor in XMA.
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CapnAndy posted:Hank McCoy made this. You can just tell. And that's Stan Lee's voice at the end, isn't it?
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Nadir posted:100% agree. I was hoping for non-stop 80s stuff but it seems like only Jubilee plays the part There is a ton of 80s stuff in the film, but it's mostly diegetic. There's no real reason why it has to be set in the 80s other than to keep the character ages consistent which is a whole fuckin thing, so it's just a kind of weird decision. It leads to a couple of good gags and some really cool music cues though. The loving Dazzler easter egg that they teased a few weeks back is just not in the film though, unless I completely missed it 
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Hakkesshu posted:There is a ton of 80s stuff in the film, but it's mostly diegetic. There's no real reason why it has to be set in the 80s other than to keep the character ages consistent which is a whole fuckin thing, so it's just a kind of weird decision. It leads to a couple of good gags and some really cool music cues though. It isn't unless I missed it too. Apocolypse felt like a less good remake of DoFP. It feels really bizarre to watch a remake of a movie that came out 2 years ago. But everything from the overall plot beats, to the Quicksilver rescue gimmick, to "Eric is good, wait no he's evil!" felt like a rehash. Still a decent movie, but just decent. X-Men and Spiderman have always been my favorite properties and it is kind of a bummer that they have been so hit or miss for so long.
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New actors confirmed for Thor Ragnarok. Cate Blanchett as Hela Jeff Goldblum as the Grandmaster Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie Karl Urban as Skurge http://marvel.com/news/movies/26203/marvel_studios_confirms_stellar_new_cast_members_of_the_highly_anticipated_thor_ragnarok#ixzz49DkA8xap
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EDIT: drat your eyes and faster fingers. Thor: Ragnarok officially has Cate Blanchett as Hela, Jeff Goldblum as someone called Grandmaster, Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie, and Karl Urban as Skurge. That is some good loving casting.
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Grandmaster is an elder of the universe, like the Collector in GOTG (at least in the comics) Instead of getting stuff, he's obsessed with games
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And Anthony Hopkins, Tom Hiddelston and Idris Elba are returning.
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Jeff Goldblum as The Grandmaster is the greatest thing I've read this week.
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rantmo posted:EDIT: drat your eyes and faster fingers. The Grandmaster is the same kind of person the Collector is (Benicio's character) Thanos took an infinity gem from him so it could be heading that route.
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Blockhouse posted:Grandmaster is an elder of the universe, like the Collector in GOTG (at least in the comics)
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lomzus posted:Karl Urban as Skurge
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