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Jumpingmanjim posted:Theranos' technology doesn't work and never has worked lol. Let's not be hasty here, let us strive to only reach the conclusions that the evidence allows. Now what is the evidence? We have learned that Theranos got improper results from Siemens equipment. Does this prove that Siemens's equipment is faulty? Certainly not; the Theranos employees were merely incapable of using such equipment properly. Similarly, do improper results from Theranos' own Edison machines demonstrate that these machines do not work? No more than in the previous situation, and furthermore
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Rhesus Pieces posted:It's not Elon Musk but this tech recruiter rear end in a top hat is quite up front about his opinion towards labor:
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Not after these lawsuits!  I'm actually pretty surprised that Californian welders and pipe fitters and such get paid better than anestesiologists, and not at all surprised companies would try to avoid dealing with that racket. It was pretty interesting to read that the dudes coming in to do the work are by and large happy with the arrangement and regard it as a good wage that allows them to send money home to their families despite their wages being a little less per hour than they'd make working at a McDonalds in Fresno. California labor market seems ripe for disruption.
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wateroverfire posted:
Yes, we need to disrupt the ability for the citizens of California to feed their families.
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exploding mummy posted:Yes, we need to disrupt the ability for the citizens of California to feed their families. What about the ability of citizens of Slovakia to feed their families?
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wateroverfire posted:What about the ability of citizens of Slovakia to feed their families? Why do they have to do that in California?
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duz posted:Why do they have to do that in California? Because the jobs are in California? (and wherever Auto plants are built, apparantly, according to the article)
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wateroverfire posted:What about the ability of citizens of Slovakia to feed their families? They continue to not work for Tesla?
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Shagman posted:Though the real funny thing is that many of the tests were not run on their revolutionary Edison machines but on regular competitor's machines, and they still hosed up. Weren't there reports that Theranos were taking their fingerstick samples and diluting the samples so that they could run them on regular machines? That would do it. wateroverfire posted:I'm actually pretty surprised that Californian welders and pipe fitters and such get paid better than anestesiologists, and not at all surprised companies would try to avoid dealing with that racket. Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 15:40 on May 19, 2016 |
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Racket? Seriously? God forbid that a skilled industrial job be paid as well as a skilled professional job. Or that welders get paid a living wage. All non-tech professions are overpaid and entitled scum.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Racket? Seriously? God forbid that a skilled industrial job be paid as well as a skilled professional job. Or that welders get paid a living wage. Even being paid 10-20x less, the Slovakian workers were getting paid a living wage (for Slovakia). In fact, it was a wage higher than the prevailing one in their country for the same work. It was a really good thing for those workers, who apparantly were also skilled enough to do the work. God forbid that welders from Slovakia get paid a living wage instead of welders from California, right? Is that not an equally valid perspective?
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wateroverfire posted:Even being paid 10-20x less, the Slovakian workers were getting paid a living wage (for Slovakia). God forbid that welders from Slovakia get paid a living wage instead of welders from California, right? Is that not an equally valid perspective?
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Slovakia is an entirely separate country theb Slovenia.  American education at its finest.
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Hmpf. I was just being too polite to correct his thinko. Okay, okay, I missed it.
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Shagman posted:So Theranos just invalidated 2 years of test results. The people of Theranos are probably a lot like the people I work for. First, you start out knowing you are a good person doing the right thing. Then, you assume that regulators enforcing the law directly against you is the way the system is supposed to work. If everyone self-enforced, why would regulations and regulators even exist? And you end up in hilarious situations like this one where your company has been caught fundamentally not understanding the science, business or regulatory framework of the field it operates in and you think "oh well, we'll get them next time" and never once consider that you are both incompetent and hurting people.
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wateroverfire posted:
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wateroverfire posted:Even being paid 10-20x less, the Slovakian workers were getting paid a living wage (for Slovakia). In fact, it was a wage higher than the prevailing one in their country for the same work. It was a really good thing for those workers, who apparantly were also skilled enough to do the work. God forbid that welders from Slovakia get paid a living wage instead of welders from California, right? Is that not an equally valid perspective? Where are the Slovenian workers living, again?
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wateroverfire posted:Even being paid 10-20x less, the Slovakian workers were getting paid a living wage (for Slovakia). In fact, it was a wage higher than the prevailing one in their country for the same work. It was a really good thing for those workers, who apparantly were also skilled enough to do the work. God forbid that welders from Slovakia get paid a living wage instead of welders from California, right? Is that not an equally valid perspective? This is a derail, but past the most surface level of analysis it's actually a pretty dangerous practice as it ends with one countries "well paying jobs" being still at a low standard relative to developed countries, but with no way for the country to develop a local economy that will allow the country to develop, because they outsource skilled labor to the States or where ever.
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wateroverfire posted:Even being paid 10-20x less, the Slovakian workers were getting paid a living wage (for Slovakia). bruh
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Munkeymon posted:They don't? I really, really shouldn't trust other people's throwaway figures. Californian anesthesiologists make an average of $104.26/hour. See? The working classes aren't being coddled after all.
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You'd think so, but it's apparently super stressful because you have pretty high risk of killing someone. Rates of depression/drug abuse/suicide are surprisingly high for anesthesiologists.
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Also contract welding wages are generally really fuzzy and when people talk about welder's getting paid "100 dollars an hour" what they're saying is generally a 40/hr wage, a 50/hr rental on the rig truck, and then about 20-40/hr in consumables
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I really, really shouldn't trust other people's throwaway figures. Californian anesthesiologists make an average of $104.26/hour. See? The working classes aren't being coddled after all. The $55/hr figure that wateronfire pulled up might be based off an 80 hour workweek, which is rather disingenuous quote:Defining work hours for an anesthesiologist can be complicated. Those in private practice may work 80 hours a week, according to the Student Doctor Network. Many anesthesiologists work 12-hour shifts and may be on call for periods lasting 24 hours, according to a March 2012 article on TheDO website. Others may work part-time. The average salary for anesthesiologists in 2012 was $232,830 a year, according to the BLS, for an average hourly wage of $111.94. This is based on a 40-hour work week. If an anesthesiologist worked 80 hours a week, her hourly wage would be $55.97. However, TheDO website notes that an experienced hospital-based anesthesiologist might earn $350,000 a year. In that case, the hourly wage of an anesthesiologist who worked 80 hours a week would be $84.13.
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Shagman posted:So Theranos just invalidated 2 years of test results. A short writeup from the consumerist for people who can't access WSJ https://consumerist.com/2016/05/19/blood-testing-startup-theranos-voids-last-2-years-of-test-results/ Or you know, just google it because paywalls are hilariously bad at protecting content.
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quote:One family practitioner in a suburb of Phoenix said a Theranos representative dropped off a stack of 20 corrected test reports a few weeks ago. Many of the voided results were for calcium, estrogen and testosterone tests. They are going to get absolutely shredded by lawyers...
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Cultural Imperial posted:If you played Elizabeth Holmes interviews backwards, what kind of demons could you summon? Too small to detect with certainty.
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For the record the Slovakian mistake was based on wateroverfire replying to me I think. The original story I was getting details from actually messed that up (a crappy local radio station) too. But I do think it's funny how utterly he missed the point and takes 'workers illegally brought to the US who don't speak the language/know labor laws, have generally failed to report these violations while housed in company leased apartments' as 'because they were happy with the arrangement' Also I'd love to hear besides bombastic 'It costs 20x that to hire an illegal unqualified worker to hire a full time specialty skilled labor position that requires certification!' what he believes would be a fair rate of compensation in Southern California for both skilled and unskilled labor.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Hmpf. I was just being too polite to correct his thinko. Oh no, I made a minor error. I will forever not be super worried about it. Arsenic Lupin posted:I really, really shouldn't trust other people's throwaway figures. Californian anesthesiologists make an average of $104.26/hour. See? The working classes aren't being coddled after all. Wage + Pension contributions (according to the article) are comparable - in the mid 90's. Quandary posted:This is a derail, but past the most surface level of analysis it's actually a pretty dangerous practice as it ends with one countries "well paying jobs" being still at a low standard relative to developed countries, but with no way for the country to develop a local economy that will allow the country to develop, because they outsource skilled labor to the States or where ever. That doesn't seem to follow. There are a ton of skilled tradespeople just flat out of work because the economies in their countries are terrible. Taking jobs outside their home countries keeps them working when otherwise they wouldn't be, earns them higher wages, and brings money into their countries. That can't be anything but good for their local economies if the alternative is the unemployment or underemployment of the workers in question.
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nachos posted:The $55/hr figure that wateronfire pulled up might be based off an 80 hour workweek, which is rather disingenuous Student Doctor Network is the 4chan equivalent of doctor message boards. It's just trolls all the way down. Anesthesiologists work 40-50 hours per week. If they worked 80, they would make $300-350+k.
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Cultural Imperial posted:If you played Elizabeth Holmes interviews backwards, what kind of demons could you summon?
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