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wateroverfire posted:Wage + Pension contributions (according to the article) are comparable - in the mid 90's. They're not http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291061.htm http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472152.htm http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes514121.htm and probably haven't been for years if they ever were. You're probably confusing billing rates you've seen with what people actually take home. From http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_ca.htm btw Munkeymon fucked around with this message at 20:20 on May 19, 2016 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Wateroverfire, where were these Slytherin workers living? Where were they working?
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Discendo Vox posted:Wateroverfire, where were these Slytherin workers living? Where were they working? I'll make short shrift of these pesky unions with my magic! Disrupto Laborum!
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pangstrom posted:You pointed out the discrepancy after others had and now you're going back for yet another pass. I'm not the posting police but maybe let this one go or if you have some clever endgame go ahead and skip to that. I'm reiterating the point of where the labor was occurring, and thus which laws are relevant. I was the one who directly invoked the underlying geographic problem first. It cuts past all of the other objections. The Slytherin bit is to indicate the specific country name isn't important. Feinne posted:I'll make short shrift of these pesky unions with my magic! Disrupto Laborum! accio servus!
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Munkeymon posted:They're not http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291061.htm http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472152.htm http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes514121.htm and probably haven't been for years if they ever were. You're probably confusing billing rates you've seen with what people actually take home. The $90 figure ($50 wage + $40 pension, etc) was what the article claimed some California official said about specifically Alameda county. On the other hand, I wouldn't trust that without some sort of verification against public data. Union welding (and trades in general) have a lot of weird creative reporting that people really like to use to claim that their wages are sky-high for some reason.
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Not a Children posted:Jokes are illegal on this forum Nah... Absurd Alhazred posted:Too small to detect with certainty. See? This is a good joke.
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Consider than an anesthesiologist that fucks up will probably just kill one person. A pipe welder that fucks up in the wrong environment can blow up an entire industrial complex. That said, the anesthesiologist does get paid better. The rate they're billed at to insurance and the rate the welder's billed at to the contractor are probably similar, though! Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 23:53 on May 19, 2016 |
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I don't see why wateroverfire is complaining about the prices. Presumably you're not required to hire a union welder, if that's what Tesla would otherwise go with then that must be the market rate for a competent welder.
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FilthyImp posted:I hope it gets one season. Also, a billionaire exploiting workers, in MY America? Shocking, just shocking. As if the fact that he is making an environmentally friendly product means he is somehow above the usual exploitation. Billionaires gonna Billionaire. cheese fucked around with this message at 00:53 on May 20, 2016 |
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cheese posted:The :report when you see drugs App" is by far the most hilarious part because it is not grounded in reality in any way shape or form.
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Cicero posted:I don't see why wateroverfire is complaining about the prices. Presumably you're not required to hire a union welder, if that's what Tesla would otherwise go with then that must be the market rate for a competent welder. This reads like a joke but is something I've heard people say before so I'm going to suppose it's real. There are no non-union welders. In order to learn to weld you have to get training which you can only get as part of a union and once you're part of the union you can't sell your services as non-union because that's against union rules and you don't want to leave the union because you make much more money staying in, and you probably care about the people you've been working with for some years. If there was some fantasy scenario where a company would pay 1.5x the union rate for welders who leave the union and work for them, most people would still say no because they understand how important a union is for them. Plus, construction is a funny business, maybe you manage to get non-union welders but suddenly your plumbers are running into all sorts of troubles and that's delaying your electricians who can't start till basically everything else is done. Funny how they're all union.
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quote:I'm Scott Sanborn, President and acting CEO of Lending Club. I've been on Lending Club's leadership team for the past six years as Chief Marketing Officer and Chief Operating Officer, and I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself and describe our current focus. I really wonder why they send these emails. Either I'm following the news and know there are problems or as soon as I receive this I become aware that there are problems.
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Chakan posted:This reads like a joke but is something I've heard people say before so I'm going to suppose it's real. Right. You can't hire just a non-union welder. You'd have to also hire non-union pipefitters, rigging crews, electricians, and more because once word gets out that you are bypassing one Union they will all walk off the site. The multinational company where I used to work brought in a couple pipefitters from out of country to help build out their first US manufacturing plant and all skilled work on the site came to a screeching halt until they were on a plane out of the US. I'm a bit surprised similar didn't happen to Tesla.
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Chakan posted:There are no non-union welders. In order to learn to weld you have to get training which you can only get as part of a union This is not true. A bunch of my local community colleges have non-union welding certificates and tons of inmates learn to weld through prison vocational programs that are also no union run. Lots of people still join unions in the end but the unions certainly don't have a monopoly on training. There are loads of non-union welders out there.
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Shifty Pony posted:Right. You can't hire just a non-union welder. You'd have to also hire non-union pipefitters, rigging crews, electricians, and more because once word gets out that you are bypassing one Union they will all walk off the site. The multinational company where I used to work brought in a couple pipefitters from out of country to help build out their first US manufacturing plant and all skilled work on the site came to a screeching halt until they were on a plane out of the US. I'm a bit surprised similar didn't happen to Tesla. This actually happened in February at the battery factory Tesla is building in Reno. The state gave Tesla a jillion dollars in tax breaks, but there was a requirement that it hire mostly Nevada workers (which heavily implies union, since construction trade unions are strong here). Tesla complied with the agreement at first, but apparently they started giving more and more work to a New Mexico contractor which brought in non-union workers from there. The union workers went back to work a couple days later, and I haven't heard anything more about it since then. I don't know who blinked, or if they found a compromise. I understand that the construction is already drifting behind schedule as well, which seems to clash with Musk's recent vow to speed up production of cars. http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/hundreds-tesla-workers-walk-job-nevada-labor-dispute-n528426
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Unguided posted:Imagine if the IT department of a company like Amazon or Google went on strike and shut down the servers for weeks.
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ShadowHawk posted:Amazon and Google do not have "IT departments", and that is exactly why they do infrastructure better than non-tech companies. Serious question then, what is the name / informal name of desktop support? The guy who configures your corporate email? Installer of access points? Etc...
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Hughlander posted:Serious question then, what is the name / informal name of desktop support? The guy who configures your corporate email? Installer of access points? Etc... But those are not "the server guys" as Unguided was implying. It's a different way of organizing the company, where infrastructure tech is core to the business rather than treated like some cost center ran by someone else.
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site uptime for good web companies is usually handled by Site Reliability Engineering. Company wide "devops" forcing everyone to a single standard so fewer people can manage more servers more reliability. AWS is basically this department turned into a consumer product.
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pangstrom posted:A demon that gorged on buckets of your blood and then growled accurate test results over your corpse. I could've sworn there was a dungeons & dragons monster that does this.
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I work for a company that employs a lot of boilermakers and I would not be shocked if the skill of welding 40mm aluminium to 4mm aluminium is comparable to anaesthesiology. Good fillet welds over several meters that don't affect the shape of the plates is an art form and they deserve the seemingly absurd money they get paid.
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Tuxedo Gin posted:This is not true. A bunch of my local community colleges have non-union welding certificates and tons of inmates learn to weld through prison vocational programs that are also no union run. Lots of people still join unions in the end but the unions certainly don't have a monopoly on training. There are loads of non-union welders out there. Sorry, I was going by memory of what my soon-to-be brother-in-law (commercial plumbing in Chicago) and a former co-worker (some construction mgmt job idk) had told me. It does seem to vary quite a bit based on where you live.
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Freakazoid_ posted:I could've sworn there was a dungeons & dragons monster that does this. Ironically "Theranos" sounds plausible as the name of such a beast.
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Byolante posted:I work for a company that employs a lot of boilermakers and I would not be shocked if the skill of welding 40mm aluminium to 4mm aluminium is comparable to anaesthesiology. Good fillet welds over several meters that don't affect the shape of the plates is an art form and they deserve the seemingly absurd money they get paid. I only know how to solder and that in and of itself is a crazy difficult thing to do properly. I think a lot of people just plain fail to realize how much skill and knowledge there is in metal. It is never, ever "well you just glue thing A to thing B, right?" Good lord no. What you do depends on what metals you're attaching, what you're attaching them with, and why you're doing it. Sometimes you need something that will be absolutely, totally solid and will never move. Sometimes it needs to have give because if it doesn't it'll snap like a twig from stress at all. Metal is complex as hell so of course people that are good at it should be expected to be very good and get paid very well. If not then people will literally die from lovely welds giving.
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Learning a lot about welds from the thread about unicorns startups.
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Only Coders Should Be Paid Because We Make Apps and the Future is Apps
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Careful now, if you imply that the lowliest of degree-requiring professions shouldn't pay more than literally every blue collar profession you will call into question our past 30 years of screaming COLLEGE COLLEGE COLLEGE OR YOU DIE at the top of our lungs
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Kobayashi posted:Learning a lot about welds from the thread about unicorns startups. Nah, it's relevant because I'm writing weldr to disrupt the welding industry. So if you need welding done the app just analyzes whatever you're doing and then you plug your cell phone into our welding machine. Which won't actually work properly so we'll end up paying to send a real welder in to do the job while we promise the investors that we totally have weldr almost done and perfect, we promise! While we figure out how to make the company look as valuable as possible, buy a bunch of nice chairs, then sell our stake in a hideously overvalued, completely non-functional piece of software. The only thing we're disrupting is where the money is and that was the entire plan all along.
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Your business model and domain name are outdated sorry. Should have went with weld.io and positioned yourself as cloud-based marketplace platform for WaaS via rigorously trained, on demand welding professionals.
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Kobayashi posted:Your business model and domain name are outdated sorry. Should have went with weld.io and positioned yourself as cloud-based marketplace platform for WaaS via rigorously trained, on demand welding professionals. Don't forget the $1000 interest free* money for welders to buy equipment with!
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Kobayashi posted:Your business model and domain name are outdated sorry. Should have went with weld.io and positioned yourself as cloud-based marketplace platform for WaaS via rigorously trained, on demand welding professionals.
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Byolante posted:I work for a company that employs a lot of boilermakers and I would not be shocked if the skill of welding 40mm aluminium to 4mm aluminium is comparable to anaesthesiology. Good fillet welds over several meters that don't affect the shape of the plates is an art form and they deserve the seemingly absurd money they get paid. And if there's anything you want welded properly, it's probably your boilers. kaboom!
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FilthyImp posted:I feel this conflicts with my Weld.It app, which is a marketplace for welding bids for your project. Set the price and local artisanal "metallbenderz" will negotiate with you for the cheapest rate! I smell a lawsuit. Troll.IP has you covered!
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Did you know saying Theranos doesn't work is sexist
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I smell a lawsuit. Troll.IP has you covered! Don't worry my new app lawyr will let you find the cheapest lawyer that promises you'll win the case. Don't win? You don't pay!
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A Man With A Plan posted:And if there's anything you want welded properly, it's probably your boilers. Boilermaker is a pretty general term for dudes who can weld good here in Australia. While they are qualified to make boilers, mostly they are doing structural stuff like form-work, structural bracing and structures under load. The guys in our shop are only doing 'small' structures because we do up to 5000kg@7metre davits that go onto boats. The level of technical expertise that goes into welding up a single span structure that large is quite impressive. In the Queensland Government vs Uber news we brought in new laws to combat Uber in the state and they are going well Gold Coast Bulletin posted:Uber drivers can be slugged up to $2356 while administrators of illegal taxi services face penalties of up to $23,560 under the new laws introduced late last month. Note the 500k number doesn't include the 23k per infringment fine Uber is hit with. And as you can imagine uber drivers are taking this new development well fuckin acka mate posted:A Gold Coast Uber driver has been charged after allegedly deliberately running over a taxi driver rival and leaving him for dead.
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We have reached Peak Silicon Valley. "Can A Company Be Run Without Leadership, Management Or Employees? $150m Invested In The DAO Says Yes" http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonatha...s/#331e5947512d quote:The DAO, short for The Distributed Autonomous Organization, is an entirely new way of organizing investment. It has raised over $150m in crowdfunding dollars by over 20,000 individuals since April 30th, making it is the largest crowdfunded effort in history. The DAO’s features depend on a new Bitcoin-inspired blockchain called Ethereum. The latter few paragraphs of the article I didn't post provide some criticism of these ideas, but the fact that this is being invested in so heavily is bonkers to me. Ccs fucked around with this message at 04:19 on May 21, 2016 |
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These people desperately want "Accelerando" to be a thing, where the economy can be crashed by the behavior of distributed autonomous corporations entirely unbeholden to the needs of society or indeed any humans whatsoever. Just wait until they try to have an autonomous corporation serve on the board of or as an officer of another corporation. Current American law would lean in the direction of allowing that. (In "Accelerando," one habitat even allows murder—since everyone is backed up in real-time, it's just an inconvenience—but bans the formation of limited-liability corporations as being too risky.)
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