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Taerkar posted:The cynic in me feels that this sounds like one of those modern internet stories of how they wanted to get good tanks out there instead of lovely Shermans. And Shermans could travel hundreds of miles beyond projected "Oh poo poo get this in a repair shop NOW" time tables. It was a Death Trap because enough of them got to the front to occaisonally get shot in bigger numbers than Panthers.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Whoa. Wait. Somebody was using Panzer IVs post war? All three of those vehicles saw use in those 1950s and 1960s Middle East wars. The Syrians knew the old poo poo was outclassed though, so they would just park Panzers and StuGs in bunkers for static firing.
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Plan Z posted:And Shermans could travel hundreds of miles beyond projected "Oh poo poo get this in a repair shop NOW" time tables. It was a Death Trap because enough of them got to the front to occaisonally get shot in bigger numbers than Panthers.
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sarmhan posted:Which, of course, is primarily a factor of fighting an offensive war, not of the quality of the tank. The Sherman is a far better tank than any panzer from any perspective other than 'shooting at another tank'. Even at that, it's better than the Panther due to gunner visibility. The Sherman's commander can hand off the target to the gunner much faster than the Panther's commander can, and the Sherman's turret traverses faster.
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Nenonen posted:Colour photography goes back over a hundred years. Early methods involved combining three negatives that capture the red, green and blue light. In 1930s Kodak and Agfa introduced modern colour film but they didn't replace b&w photography immediately because of cost of the film and development. The technique in that shot used three difference lenses, one each with a red, blue, and green filter, capturing the images on three negatives. Then to actually see the color, it's not like you could make a color print, you had to use three projection lamps, one each with a red, blue, and green bulb, and precisely align the three negatives to get the projected color image. So the color was effectively a post-processing technique.
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Are you quite sure about that translation? Because to me it reads "So Dis blablaetc denselben sol von mir MIT hochsten fleiss gehorsamlich nach gelebt werden", this meaning "What your highness has so graciously ordered shall be done by me with the highest effort and obedience". That nit makes no sense at that position.
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ArchangeI posted:Are you quite sure about that translation? Because to me it reads "So Dis blablaetc denselben sol von mir MIT hochsten fleiss gehorsamlich nach gelebt werden", this meaning "What your highness has so graciously ordered shall be done by me with the highest effort and obedience". That nit makes no sense at that position. that's probably better, thanks! Original post edited to reflect ArchangeI's correction. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 21:22 on May 19, 2016 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:What's this last one? U-2513
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If you visit the link directly the image will show up. Forums are weird like that sometimes.
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Nebakenezzer posted:What's this last one? I'm thinking it was the Belgrano going down. That shot of Seydlitz after Jutland really got my attention. It's one thing to read about they built their dreadnoughts and BCs to absorb punishment and another to see it.
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bewbies, you should use eg. imgur for pics and not hotlink them
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Hogge Wild posted:bewbies, you should use eg. imgur for pics and not hotlink them Also pretty sure one of those pics is a scene from Charlie Wilson's War.
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Nenonen posted:Colour photography goes back over a hundred years. Early methods involved combining three negatives that capture the red, green and blue light. In 1930s Kodak and Agfa introduced modern colour film but they didn't replace b&w photography immediately because of cost of the film and development. Yeah but the colorized photo of Burnside is a photoshop at least.
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Why are some people so in love with dead hardware? A single type of tank, regardless of how effective it is, can't influence an entire army. How the hell did the Panther super medium tank influence the infantry-fights in the forests south of Aachen, for example? Where the allied forces took heavy losses for an obnoxious long time compared to the German ones holding out? The battle was so bad for the (in the end victorious) Americans it turned Earnest Hemingway from a war glorifier into a horrified enemy of armed conflict. And tanks were completely irrelevant for most of the fighting. So from this one example it's easy to see why Stephan A. Hart wrote down a lot of rubbish. Judging from this one paragraph, his reasoning seems to be rather childish. I hope his other writing is better.  Reference from Wikipedia, in German because the English page looks dumb
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HEY GAL posted:does bob like pike squares He would if he knew what they were. Sadly the History Channel hasn't featured anything on them since the late 90s. If you started a show called Real Lives of Pike Square Truckers he might get some exposure, though. Bob's a pretty OK guy, but he's fed a steady diet of trash.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Two answers, depending on how generous you want to be: You can draw some conclusions about the military and (possibly) government as a whole from their procurement methods and design requirements as well (And of course how well they stick to those requirements) That being said, a funny thing happens when you compare the 1980's US procurement to Nazi Germany... 
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Cyrano4747 posted:He would if he knew what they were. Sadly the History Channel hasn't featured anything on them since the late 90s. If you started a show called Real Lives of Pike Square Truckers he might get some exposure, though. edit: also one of the women in that story i just posted about identified her dead husband/boyfriend/??? by nickname and i had to take a break for a while.
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Taerkar posted:You can draw some conclusions about the military and (possibly) government as a whole from their procurement methods and design requirements as well (And of course how well they stick to those requirements) I finally finished The Opening Curtain lately, and I felt like the "victory" of the Cold War through superior military technology was a pleasant side effect of the world's biggest Socialist Jobs Program.
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HEY GAL posted:what if the cover of my book looks real cool Bob would be down if there was somebody to say "Hey this is a book about one of the craziest wars ever fought, it drove all of Europe bankrupt it's nuts" The problem are the gatekeepers who think that Bob eats only garbage and they'd try to sexmurder it up
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Nebakenezzer posted:and they'd try to sexmurder it up
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HEY GAL posted:how the heck would you add more sexmurder to this thing Talk about the popes, too, I guess. Even though they didn't personally form pike squares too much after the late medieval period.
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sullat posted:Talk about the popes, too, I guess. Even though they didn't personally form pike squares too much after the late medieval period. Depends on your criteria for what you call a pike and who you call a square.
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HEY GAL posted:how the heck would you add more sexmurder to this thing Now, y'see this is what a publisher likes to hear
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Nebakenezzer posted:Now, y'see this is what a publisher likes to hear Why aren't there more TV shows set in renaissance Italy, then
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I inherited some mission briefing documents from my wife's grandfather, who flew B-24s out of Italy.   Do these have any value to a museum or anthing? I'm not sure what to do with them.
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Trin Tragula posted:Assuming that this is not a misprint, the major problem is that, as ever, literally all the documentation is in a rotten foreign language, and the few English-speaking people who have gone into foreign archives have not been looking in the Navy ones. If the French Navy had done the work of tracking down and sinking the Konigsberg then, entertaining story though it be, it may well have never been heard of in English at all. There's a fairly-recent Pen & Sword book that was written about the major German amphibious operations in the Baltic that got really good reviews from historians. I forget the title, though. Also I found an American sailor's WW1 diary that was published over here that might be useful. I'm gonna be in Britain next month for the Jutland centenary events, want my copy? pthighs posted:I inherited some mission briefing documents from my wife's grandfather, who flew B-24s out of Italy. They most certainly do. This is the sort of material that doesn't get maintained by government archives because it's produced too far down the chain of command.
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pthighs posted:I inherited some mission briefing documents from my wife's grandfather, who flew B-24s out of Italy. Yes they do, and I'd be stunned if they didn't accept them basically instantly, personally.
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Should I also talk to somewhere about donating the on ship newspaper my grandpa saved from the day his ship sailed into Tokyo Bay with the Allied fleet to accept the Japanese surrender? I always thought it was just a neat thing to have, but I guess things like that never got saved.
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Taerkar posted:Now I want an HBO series on the Papal State. It's Starz, not HBO, but are you aware Borgias is a show? It's alright when they let the characters be all the way crazy, but a lot of the time they try to make Cesare or Lucretia seem sympathetic to the audience and then I just sort of roll my eyes because that is the exact opposite of why I decided to watch a show about the Borgia family. To put it another way, it's no Rome, but it is a show about renaissance Italy. And of course, it did not do well.
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Ithle01 posted:It's Starz, not HBO, but are you aware Borgias is a show? It's alright when they let the characters be all the way crazy, but a lot of the time they try to make Cesare or Lucretia seem sympathetic to the audience and then I just sort of roll my eyes because that is the exact opposite of why I decided to watch a show about the Borgia family. To put it another way, it's no Rome, but it is a show about renaissance Italy. And of course, it did not do well. I thought Rome was a flashy disappointment, mostly. It just should have been a buddy-cop show set in Roman times. Also HEYGAL can you maybe do some sort of cop-buddy show set in the 30 years war Like they spend the entire series trying to get to Vienna, and at the end they get there, and the Ottomans are besieging it!
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Hogge Wild posted:this thread doesn't have enough pics imo  also  Source4Leko posted:Should I also talk to somewhere about donating the on ship newspaper my grandpa saved from the day his ship sailed into Tokyo Bay with the Allied fleet to accept the Japanese surrender? I always thought it was just a neat thing to have, but I guess things like that never got saved. Probably. But you'll want to make sure it's properly lit once they put it on display (that is a joke based on your username) Grand Prize Winner fucked around with this message at 04:05 on May 20, 2016 |
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Source4Leko posted:Should I also talk to somewhere about donating the on ship newspaper my grandpa saved from the day his ship sailed into Tokyo Bay with the Allied fleet to accept the Japanese surrender? I always thought it was just a neat thing to have, but I guess things like that never got saved. I would think maybe the caretakers of the Missouri in Pearl Harbor may be interested in it since the ship was there and the centerpiece of the signing.
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LingcodKilla posted:I would think maybe the caretakers of the Missouri in Pearl Harbor may be interested in it since the ship was there and the centerpiece of the signing. The most  thing about the instrument of surrender was that the Canadian representative signed on the French representative's line (accident? I think not.)and they had to rewrite the French and Dutch signature lines as the Canadian and French ones, the Kiwi one as the Dutch one, and the Kiwi had to just leave his john hancock swinging in the breeze. That error is now forever enshrined in a heavy-rear end binnacle-like display case there on the Missouri.
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Nebakenezzer posted:I thought Rome was a flashy disappointment, mostly. It just should have been a buddy-cop show set in Roman times. So a Marcus Didius Falco series?
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LingcodKilla posted:I would think maybe the caretakers of the Missouri in Pearl Harbor may be interested in it since the ship was there and the centerpiece of the signing. That's something to consider. Tomorrow I'll get some pictures of it in good lighting and post them here for everyone to enjoy for now. Edit: I just went and got it to look at, it's actually from August 25th 1945 and is mostly a listing of all of the ships in the fleet that are sailing into Tokyo Bay to accept the surrender. It's quite the list. Source4Leko fucked around with this message at 06:40 on May 20, 2016 |
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