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Nebakenezzer posted:I thought Rome was a flashy disappointment, mostly. It just should have been a buddy-cop show set in Roman times. children's tv is the way to go http://www.hgm.at/de/service-kontakt/kinder/kinderklub.html#c250
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:So a Marcus Didius Falco series? I want this to be a Masterpiece Mystery series and I want it yesterday.
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FishFood posted:I want this to be a Masterpiece Mystery series and I want it yesterday. csi:30yw exists in our hearts
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May 20, 2016 07:39
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HEY GAL posted:csi:30yw exists in our hearts 'Vic died of being stabbed a whole bunch of times. The locals said that he had it coming.'
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HEY GAL posted:csi:30yw exists in our hearts So let me get this right: Yesterday he looted a huge bag of gold, then he spent all night gambling with his drinking buddies, and now he is hanging from a tree with a note saying 'stupid' pinned to his chest... Maybe there is a connection I'm not seeing?
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"Your honor, I plead not guilty. I was protecting my honor!" The lawyers all murmur and the judge silences them with a gavel. His flowing locks are not a wig. "Explain, Herr prisoner!" All eyes fall on him. "I stabbed him... but he called me a poop-face!" The court erupts into shouting as papers fly everywhere and the prosecutor shakes his head.
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May 20, 2016 09:22
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FishFood posted:"Your honor, I plead not guilty. I was protecting my honor!" The lawyers all murmur and the judge silences them with a gavel. His flowing locks are not a wig. "Explain, Herr prisoner!" All eyes fall on him. "And he called me poop face in five different languages until I understood what he said!" Was it five? I remember Hey Gal telling this story a while ago. I am also trying very hard not to imagine half of the degree course being "Learn into read 17th century hand writing"
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May 20, 2016 09:37
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Cyrano4747 posted:Two answers, depending on how generous you want to be: 1. Yeah but I'm drawing the line when people look at what they like and start attributing magical properties to it, like that guy saying a type of medium tank made an entire army resist better. There's no way that could happen as long as the tank in question isn't equipped with energy shields and a gun shooting nuclear shells.  2. To be fair, a lot of really good and objective history books are also incredibly boring. Especially old history is full of pages saying "This is unknown, we aren't sure about that and this is highly questionable too, but we haven't anything better, so welp." That poo poo gets tiring sometimes and if someone wants to write/read something more interesting, so be it. I just wish those authors would put a disclaimer up front when they start writing what I'd call Historical Fiction.
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Libluini posted:1. Yeah but I'm drawing the line when people look at what they like and start attributing magical properties to it, like that guy saying a type of medium tank made an entire army resist better. There's no way that could happen as long as the tank in question isn't equipped with energy shields and a gun shooting nuclear shells. 1. Good equipment is actually pretty useful. Nobody itt attributes magical properties to equipment, so leave that strawman alone. Just because x medium tank did not singlehandedly win the war does not mean that an army didn't benefit from a rifle that doesn't jam very often.\ 2. A lot of authors do exactly that?? I can really see how you got that custom title dude jesus.
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Hazzard posted:"And he called me poop face in five different languages until I understood what he said!" FishFood posted:flowing locks  edit: even the dead Spanish bottom left, fukken look at him :bigtran: HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 14:55 on May 20, 2016 |
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May 20, 2016 10:52
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FishFood posted:I want this to be a Masterpiece Mystery series and I want it yesterday. Isn't that mostly just British TV repackaged for America? So basically you want the BBC to do it. 
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May 20, 2016 11:01
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Splode posted:1. Good equipment is actually pretty useful. Nobody itt attributes magical properties to equipment, so leave that strawman alone. Just because x medium tank did not singlehandedly win the war does not mean that an army didn't benefit from a rifle that doesn't jam very often.\ 1. Sorry, but that author we were discussing did exactly that. Also no-one said good equipment isn't useful, so please put that strawman down before someone gets hurt. 2. Then give some examples, I can't read your thoughts through the internet.
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feedmegin posted:Isn't that mostly just British TV repackaged for America? So basically you want the BBC to do it. Some is, yeah, but a lot of their recent output is jointly produced.
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FishFood posted:Some is, yeah, but a lot of their recent output is jointly produced. With the BBC. Like, looking on Wikipedia, I see Sherlock, Lewis, Endeavour, all sorts of stuff that is just 'normal British TV' over here. I guess it's nice they sling some money at us? But it seems a bit of a stretch to say it's anything other than a British TV show. Also, can confirm that last picture is the Belgrano. Also also, http://www.gridenko.com/pg is where that dude in a dressing gown is from, and it's well worth checking out, as is http://time.com/3803957/rare-color-photographs-from-the-trenches-of-world-war-i/
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you wonder what interesting worldshaking things would happen if time travel existed but it just occurred to me that one of the most likely side effects would be a roaring market for hair products among 17th century european men edit: an extension cord snakes into the seething time-vortex; at the other end of it is a beribboned officer, happily blowdrying himself HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 11:36 on May 20, 2016 |
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May 20, 2016 11:28
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I for one would be very interested to see what 17th century tailors take away from 21st century fashion.
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May 20, 2016 12:07
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Tomn posted:I for one would be very interested to see what 17th century tailors take away from 21st century fashion. "Why is everyone wearing so little clothing? They can't look fabulous without at least 4 different layers!"
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May 20, 2016 12:23
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Tomn posted:I for one would be very interested to see what 17th century tailors take away from 21st century fashion. Suicidal depression at the state of men's "fashion" and a whole bunch of materials and techniques from women's fashion, and likely a lot more of those materials than would be used today.
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Actually, serious question. In this thread it's been stated repeatedly that the main thing determining success in tank on tank combat is who saw the enemy and fired first, and that indeed tank on tank was relatively rare. So what did tank combat in the deserts of North Africa look like, and what determined success there? My mental image of that is pretty hazy and is probably more informed by the first couple seconds of the Battlefield 1942 intro more than anything else, lines of tanks rolling across the sand before standing off and banging away at each other like a modernized musket firing line. Does that bear any relation to reality?
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May 20, 2016 14:32
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Tomn posted:So what did tank combat in the deserts of North Africa look like, and what determined success there? Patrick Delaforce has some good single Battalion histories of the Royal Tank Regiment that go into decent detail about the desert combat they saw, worth finding them if you can.
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May 20, 2016 14:58
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It also revolved a lot around minefields. The Axis placed around half a million mines at el-Alamein.
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Desert Tank combat's nifty, yo! Someone should do a compare and contrast on the North Africa campaign with the First Gulf war ground campaign. I guess, basically, I'm interested in how, exactly, one fights with modernized equipment on a flat, featureless desert?
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Arquinsiel posted:Driving really fast in the general direction of the enemy and hoping you saw their anti-tank guns before the guns saw you, then either somehow killing the gun with your lovely AP rounds because nobody thought the 2pdr or 5 cm KwK NUMBERHERE needed HE shells or being the one tank that manages to survive long enough to just drive over it. The KwK 38 had an HE shell, at least. The 2-pdr didn't until something like 1944. The Soviets tried to cram 40 mm AA gun HE shells in there, but presumably it didn't work out.
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I recall this thread liking that Pike and Shot game. Would this thread also be interested to see that they've released a Sengoku Jidai sequel to it? I just like that it's a strategy game where you can lose a battle because your center broke ranks to chase a fleeing enemy.
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Am interested but not as interested.
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Thalantos posted:Desert Tank combat's nifty, yo! As a minor nitpick from someone who doesn't really know, deserts aren't flat. Even in areas where there's no random collections of rocks or scrub just growing in the middle of nowhere, there's dips and crests in the ground or sand. Probably usually ones that aren't big enough to conceal a tank, but still; outside of actual cities truly flat ground is incredibly rare. EDIT: That said, it's not completely impossible to find super-flat places: Salar de Uyuni is the flattest place on earth, and is the size of hawaii. It's also really pretty and when wet looks like the world's biggest mirror: 
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Source4Leko posted:Edit: I just went and got it to look at, it's actually from August 25th 1945 and is mostly a listing of all of the ships in the fleet that are sailing into Tokyo Bay to accept the surrender. It's quite the list. I'd definitely like to see this!
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Thalantos posted:I guess, basically, I'm interested in how, exactly, one fights with modernized equipment on a flat, featureless desert? The Arab/Israeli conflicts are probably better reading on this in terms of tactics because the Gulf War was extremely lopsided through the capabilities of Allied Air superiority (including in terms of freedom of action of things like JSTARS). Not only that, but the M829A1 could engage T-72s at essentially as far as the shell will travel, whereas the T-72 had very little hope of even engaging Abrams before taking fire. At night and in certain situations it was slightly closer, but the US advantage in thermals and such still had it extremely lopsided. The Battle of 73 Eastings is probably your best bet, and honestly I'm not sure of any big actions like this in OIF but I wouldn't be surprised. Mazz fucked around with this message at 17:12 on May 20, 2016 |
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Deserts are neither flat nor featureless is the correct answer.
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My mental image of the North African campaign had them fighting in deep die desert, which was quickly corrected when I went to Libya, because holy poo poo 100m high sand dunes seem small until you walk up one. Edit: small as in not very high or steep. They look immense, but the flat featureless colour makes them also look fairly gradual. From tracing out the paths taken in a couple of books on North Africa during the war, the action seems largely confined in the semi-desert, does anyone know how much of it (if any) happened in the real high-dune Sahara? I think I've read more about the 1920s-30s exploration by the precursor to the Long range desert patrol than the patrol in the conflict itself, I'd guess it was limited to that kind of harassment/recon?
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Here, have a picture of a cool gun still in use, for the people posting pictures. I may or may not have posted this before. For some reason, Brazilian military police were using Madsen machine guns as late as 2009 and probably later for their operations in the slums. I guess if it works it doesn't matter that the design is over 100 years old.
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lenoon posted:My mental image of the North African campaign had them fighting in deep die desert, which was quickly corrected when I went to Libya, because holy poo poo 100m high sand dunes seem small until you walk up one. There was pretty much nothing going on in the Great Erg: LRDG, SAS and No 1, Demolition Squad (Popski's Private Army) all traversed it for their raids, and there was an emergency stash airfield or two to support these units. But it seems it was an environment that would merrily kill you as is and the axis don't seem to have any interest in challenging them out there. The PPA seemed to revel in it and I really enjoyed reading Popski's memoir, but it is very clear how much he looked up to the LRDG in awe. I should read up on them more.
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MrBling posted:Here, have a picture of a cool gun still in use, for the people posting pictures. I may or may not have posted this before. My guess is they have a dearth of good assault rifles or battle rifles firing full power rifle rounds, so they just give the strong guys the Madsen to use as an automatic rifle.
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There are a trillion IMBEL FALs running around so I don't really think that's it.
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LordSaturn posted:I recall this thread liking that Pike and Shot game. Would this thread also be interested to see that they've released a Sengoku Jidai sequel to it? I just like that it's a strategy game where you can lose a battle because your center broke ranks to chase a fleeing enemy. edit Cyriacus Hildebrand from Greifendorf
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My guess is that the money for new guns is used for coke parties.
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FishFood posted:I want this to be a Masterpiece Mystery series and I want it yesterday. Wikipedia posted:The first five books were dramatised for radio by the BBC, one each year, between 2004 and 2009. Anton Lesser played Falco in all five, while Helena was played by Fritha Goodey in The Silver Pigs and, following Goodey's death, Anna Madeley from the second book adaptation onwards. The radio series is produced by Lindsey Davis' friend Mary Cutler. I kinda like the idea of Falco P.I., where he's living in a guest house at Decimus Camillus Verus's estate, driving a borrowed sporty red chariot, et cetera. Not sure how he'd really pull off the 'stache, however.
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HEY GAL posted:can you lose because your mercenaries are mad at you No, but fighting/marching armies around provinces depletes their economy and manpower and supply limits and if you fight over the same province long enough it becomes a hellscape where moving any sizable army in there causes half of it to melt away from disease and desertion. Also you CAN lose because your rear end in a top hat idiot moron cavalry won their skirmish with the enemy cavalry and proceeded to gently caress away off the battlefield chasing the fuckers they already beat instead of turning around and actually supporting the drat infantry.
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Tomn posted:No, but fighting/marching armies around provinces depletes their economy and manpower and supply limits and if you fight over the same province long enough it becomes a hellscape where moving any sizable army in there causes half of it to melt away from disease and desertion. quote:Also you CAN lose because your rear end in a top hat idiot moron cavalry won their skirmish with the enemy cavalry and proceeded to gently caress away off the battlefield chasing the fuckers they already beat instead of turning around and actually supporting the drat infantry. 
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HEY GAL posted:can you lose because your mercenaries are mad at you In Crusader Kings 2 mercenaries can and will offer their services to the opposing side if you can't pay them. If you're lucky they just decide to go home, but they can decide to switch sides.
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