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May 18, 2016 17:16
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pookel posted:I'm sorry to keep posting child abuse stuff, but that's what I've been reading. I can stop if anyone's sick of it. I ran across this one recently and can't get it out of my head: You win. You found the most depressing thing.
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May 18, 2016 17:51
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That link to longform.org led me to this article about the problems with DNA forensics. The article's disturbing in several ways, but this sentence stood out in a gross way:The Atlantic posted:A 1996 study showed that sperm cells from a single stain on one item of clothing made their way onto every other item of clothing in the washer.  My wife particularly enjoyed that anecdote. "Everything we own..." Imagined has a new favorite as of 18:18 on May 18, 2016 |
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May 18, 2016 18:15
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Imagined posted:That link to longform.org led me to this article about the problems with DNA forensics. The article's disturbing in several ways, but this sentence stood out in a gross way: I am never going to feel good about going to the laundromat in my bad neighborhood ever again
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May 18, 2016 18:16
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DStecks posted:You win. You found the most depressing thing. 
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May 18, 2016 19:15
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pookel posted:No, no. I've seen many more depressing things than this that I opted not to share with the thread. Do we have an opposite of an  because I am kind of there right now.loving christ I mean they all suit the thread but I don't know how people can even read them.
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May 18, 2016 19:20
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The child abuse stories are heart breaking, but we have to bear witness to these atrocities, because we, as a society, failed and continue to fail to protect children. 
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May 18, 2016 19:29
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Yeah I'm a CPS social worker, that's basically my worst nightmare
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May 18, 2016 19:38
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Imagined posted:That link to longform.org led me to this article about the problems with DNA forensics. The article's disturbing in several ways, but this sentence stood out in a gross way: The same goes for bacterial contamination and fungal spores. That's why hospitals do laundry at 60C. Any cooler than that and you're just spreading it around.
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May 18, 2016 20:18
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Brass Key posted:The same goes for bacterial contamination and fungal spores. That's why hospitals do laundry at 60C. Any cooler than that and you're just spreading it around. My wife does cold / cold no matter how many times I mention this.
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May 18, 2016 20:34
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whiteyfats posted:The child abuse stories are heart breaking, but we have to bear witness to these atrocities, because we, as a society, failed and continue to fail to protect children. My fiance works for a homeless shelter. The children's summer camps post guards near the edge of the property, because children as young as four or five will run to the nearby train tracks in a bid for eternal freedom.
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May 18, 2016 20:43
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This poo poo went down over a decade ago. Guy calls up a McDonald's restaurant, speaks with the assistant manager Donna, and identifies himself as a police officer. He tells her they're looking for a small white woman with dark hair as a theft suspect and that she's probably working at the restaurant. Donna thinks that, yeah, someone like that works here: Louise. Caller also tells her he's speaking with her senior manager on another line. The caller tells Donna that there are no cops available to actually go down there and arrest her, so Donna should strip search her. Donna thinks this sounds perfectly reasonable, so orders Lousie into her office and tells her take her clothes off, in front of a second assistant manager, Kim, who serves as a witness. Kim also thinks this sounds fine. Kim eventually leaves to, you know, run a restaurant, and the caller tells Donna that she needs to bring in someone else she trusts to help with the investigation. At this point, Louise is naked but has covered herself with an apron. Donna calls one of the cooks back, and the caller orders him to remove Louise's apron. The cook is the first person in this bit to think that something doesn't sound right, and refuses, but still doesn't call the cops, and goes back out to cook burgers. At this point, Donna *calls her fiance*, Walter, for help, who drives to the restaurant. Donna goes out to, again, run a restaurant, leaving her equally-gullible fiancee on the phone with the caller, in the office with naked Louise. At the caller's direction, Walter orders Louise to dance, to jump up and down, to kiss him, submit to a spanking, spread her vagina, and eventually to give him a blowjob. Louise is cowed into obedience by the caller who, again, says he's a cop and says that she'll be in worse trouble if she disobeys. Donna returns to the office intermittently while this is all transpiring. After the blowjob, Walter starts feeling uneasy and wants to leave, the caller says he can't leave unless they find a replacement for him. He leaves, Donna grabs Thomas, the maintenance guy, who refuses to assist with this bullshit. Donna finally gets suspicious and calls her manager who says "What are you talking about? I was asleep, I'm not talking with any cop on another line." Then she realizes it was all a setup and starts crying. After three and a half hours, Louise gets to put her clothes back on and leave the office. All of this was recorded on the restaurant's security cameras. After watching the tape, Donna decides not to marry Walter. Walter is charged with sexual assault and eventually gets sentenced to 5 years. Donna gets fired for violating corporate policies against strip searches. The caller was probably a guy named David Stewart, who was arrested and tried but found not guilty due to there being little direct evidence; he was suspected of making a whole bunch of calls along these lines, and the calls stopped after he was arrested. quote:At a McDonald's in Hinesville, Ga., a caller convinced a 55-year-old janitor to do a cavity search of a 19-year-old cashier, while in Fargo, N.D., a manager at a local Burger King strip-searched a 17-year-old female employee. McDonalds also lost big in subsequent lawsuits. I'm not sure what the most disturbing bit about this is: that people are so reflexively submissive to authority that they will kidnap and sexually assault another human being because an anonymous voice on the other end of a phone tells them to (or will submit to the same because of that voice), or that that McDonald's has to have a *corporate policy against strip-searches*. http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1728839&page=1 http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3688563 Phanatic has a new favorite as of 21:03 on May 18, 2016 |
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May 18, 2016 20:59
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See Also: That experiment where people were told to shock someone with increasing intensity while the supposed shock-victim screamed louder and eventually fell silent
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May 18, 2016 21:46
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joshtothemaxx posted:My gf and I are historians. She writes about riots/uprisings with racial elements. I often write about Southern lynchings and honor killings. Our work talk is really truly awful and depressing. This was an interesting book, it might be right up your alley. http://www.amazon.com/Murder-Marylands-Eastern-Shore-Politics/dp/1596290773
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May 18, 2016 21:49
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Chichevache posted:My fiance works for a homeless shelter. The children's summer camps post guards near the edge of the property, because children as young as four or five will run to the nearby train tracks in a bid for eternal freedom. 
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May 18, 2016 22:09
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Phanatic posted:This poo poo went down over a decade ago. This is especially horrible because 20/20 or whatever "news magazine" show that broke the story played the actual security video of the woman being raped as part of the segment.
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May 18, 2016 22:14
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Segmentation Fox posted:See Also: That experiment where people were told to shock someone with increasing intensity while the supposed shock-victim screamed louder and eventually fell silent That experiment was/is deeply flawed if you are referring to the Milgram experiment. The guy in charge was, pretty obviously, getting far too interested in jacking it to really have an objective view of the situation. Saying that. You read these stories and wonder how we can exist as we do now.
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May 18, 2016 22:18
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Josef bugman posted:That experiment was/is deeply flawed if you are referring to the Milgram experiment. It's one of those cases where everyone knows what transpired but they're all wrong. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2013/10/02/the-shocking-truth-of-the-notorious-milgram-obedience-experiments/ quote:The 65% headline figure, of people who followed the experimenters’ orders and went to the maximum voltage on the shock machine, implies that there was a single experiment. In fact there were 24 different variations, or mini dramas, each with a different script, actors and experimental set up. Context matters. There were variations of the experiment where nobody obeyed. If you set it up where the authority is a doctor, explaining that the treatment is painful but necessary to save the subject's life, you could probably push the obedience up to almost total. http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinking-one-of-psychologys-most-infamous-experiments/384913/ Or this one: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/05/the_french_obey_authority_figu.html quote:A French documentarian creates a fake game show (a la Milgram obedience experiment): he tells the subjects that in this game show, they are to shock the "contestant" if he answers the questions wrong. (Of course, there was no real shock, everything was faked.) The Stanford Prison experiment is another one that people get consistently wrong. It wasn't just a random selection of people who showed up for an experiment and were randomly assigned into one or two groups. The ad placed to solicit participants specifically stated it was for a psychological experiment about prison life. Those participants were given standard personality inventories, and all scored significantly higher on significantly higher on narcissism, social dominance, aggression, Machiavellianism and authoritarianism. So maybe that study tells you something about the sort of people who want to participate in simulations about prison life, but it doesn't tell you much about the general population.
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May 18, 2016 22:49
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Phanatic posted:It's one of those cases where everyone knows what transpired but they're all wrong. Milgram had another experiment where he had his graduate students go on the subway and ask strangers for their seats. The only thing they were allowed to say if asked about it was "because I would like to sit there." Several of them were attacked physically.
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May 18, 2016 22:58
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Jack Gladney posted:Milgram had another experiment where he had his graduate students go on the subway and ask strangers for their seats. The only thing they were allowed to say if asked about it was "because I would like to sit there." Nope, that's not true. Again, there were multiple scripts. In one script, the experimenter offered no justification. Because in that case it's possible that people would surrender their seats because they assumed the person really needed it, there was another script where the experimenter announced right up front that he wanted the seat for a non-necessary reason (The script was actually "Excuse me, may I please have your seat? I can't read my book standing up." In the third setup, there were two experimenters working together. The first asks the second, "Do you think it would be all right if I asked someone for a seat?", the second says "I don't know," and then first proceeds to then do that. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/14/nyregion/excuse-me-may-i-have-your-seat.html quote:Several of them were attacked physically. Not sure about that. Milgram had another experiment involving experimenters cutting into lines at counters, some of those reactions did involve physically ejecting the line-cutter from the line.
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May 18, 2016 23:11
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Was Milgram a bit bonkers in the nut by any chance?
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May 18, 2016 23:20
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Bulgaroctonus posted:There's a pretty famous article about Candy Barr (I would try and sum up her story, but wouldn't come close to doing her justice) that I highly recommend even though the author has some pretty questionable phrasing.
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May 19, 2016 03:25
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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DStecks posted:You win. You found the most depressing thing. How were you able to read this? It says pay to see.
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May 19, 2016 06:32
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Phanatic posted:I'm not sure what the most disturbing bit about this is: that people are so reflexively submissive to authority that they will kidnap and sexually assault another human being because an anonymous voice on the other end of a phone tells them to (or will submit to the same because of that voice), or that that McDonald's has to have a *corporate policy against strip-searches*.
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May 19, 2016 06:55
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Lord Psychodin posted:How were you able to read this? It says pay to see. Maybe he paid
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May 19, 2016 08:22
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The Milgram experiments were also done in La Trobe, Victoria (Australia). Here's an interview that talks with some of the people who were involved: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/allinthemind/beyond-the-shock-machine/4044812quote:Lynne Malcolm: Tell me your memory of your involvement? The interview goes on for much longer than that, it's a pretty interesting listen (or read, transcript's available)
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May 19, 2016 10:26
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Phanatic posted:It's one of those cases where everyone knows what transpired but they're all wrong. Also a bunch of the people who were in the experiment later admitted that they did a bunch of the horrible stuff because they all basically wanted to play prison LARP and everyone was pretty much OK with it. They were specifically imitating movies and books about prisons because they thought it would be fun. I Imagine if you repeated the experiment today without all that shizz it would not be nearly as dramatic or scandalous and probably pretty boring.
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May 19, 2016 12:01
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Lord Psychodin posted:How were you able to read this? It says pay to see. Haha yeah, like I'm actually gonna click the link after reading that excerpt. Some stuff you just don't need to know.
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May 19, 2016 12:27
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Lord Psychodin posted:How were you able to read this? It says pay to see. Incidentally, I googled the girl's name yesterday and found she's pretty open about her current life - her Facebook page is public and full of cheery little status updates about cooking dinner, hanging out with her parents, cuddling her cat, etc. She mentioned somewhere that she'd saved the shirt she'd worn at her former adoptive mother's trial, and that when she testified against her it was "the best day of her life." She's a tough young lady.
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May 19, 2016 17:02
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MissEchelon posted:The Milgram experiments were also done in La Trobe, Victoria (Australia). Here's an interview that talks with some of the people who were involved: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/allinthemind/beyond-the-shock-machine/4044812 tl;dr: Psychology researchers have no business scarring their subjects for life.
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May 19, 2016 18:33
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Lord Psychodin posted:How were you able to read this? It says pay to see. An easy way to get around paywalls on a lot of news sites is using Google's cache (in the little dropdown arrow next to the URL).
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May 19, 2016 19:04
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Psychology researchers have no business scarring their subjects for life. Anyone else remember this movie? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqMY-syKcwc
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May 19, 2016 23:24
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I watched the Hillsborough 30 for 30 last night thanks to this thread, which lead to me asking Facebook for upsetting documentaries, which led to me watching Dear Zachary today. I have been ing around for a couple of hours now. What other horrible poo poo from this thread has been made into a documentary? When find time I'll watch the Paradise Lost series.
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May 21, 2016 21:50
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MissEchelon posted:The Milgram experiments were also done in La Trobe, Victoria (Australia). Here's an interview that talks with some of the people who were involved: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/allinthemind/beyond-the-shock-machine/4044812 It's kind of strange to replicate the Milgram experiment with worse debriefing than the original. Well Milgram called it 'de-hoaxing' iirc, since the concept of debriefing didn't really exist back then, but the thought of people being upset about being made to administer deadly electric shocks did cross his mind.
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May 21, 2016 22:44
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Henchman of Santa posted:I watched the Hillsborough 30 for 30 last night thanks to this thread, which lead to me asking Facebook for upsetting documentaries, which led to me watching Dear Zachary today. I have been https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PcDNRSsM24
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May 22, 2016 00:40
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:If it helps anyone sleep better, most of the articles on sites like xojane are fiction penned by aspiring writers trying to make a quick buck. The more ludicrous, the better--those sites will gladly pay third parties for completely ridiculous stuff like this because it means more clicks/shares/ad impressions/whatever and no liability whatsoever on their part if someone calls bullshit. Yeah, it's just the web version of confessional magazines, most popular reference for this kind of thing is Penthouse Forum. They're the ultimate in STDH stories, they're basically urban legends of really variable quality.
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May 22, 2016 02:22
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In 1991 a Italian ferry sailing in heavy fog rammed an anchored oil tanker, slicing through one of the tanks of crude oil which then sprayed out over the ferry and caught fire. Of the 141 persons aboard, only a single person survived. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moby_Prince_disaster
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May 22, 2016 02:32
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:If it helps anyone sleep better, most of the articles on sites like xojane are fiction penned by aspiring writers trying to make a quick buck. The more ludicrous, the better--those sites will gladly pay third parties for completely ridiculous stuff like this because it means more clicks/shares/ad impressions/whatever and no liability whatsoever on their part if someone calls bullshit. I've never been this happy to have been trolled before.
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May 22, 2016 04:04
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Arsenic Lupin posted:tl;dr: Psychology researchers have no business scarring their subjects for life.  booooooring
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May 22, 2016 05:39
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Apraxin posted:Fire in the Night, about the Piper Alpha disaster, is a good one. A colleague of mine used to work with the guy who was duty control manager on Tartan during the incident, and he confirms that after Claymore requested permission to shut down he was directly instructed to keep pumping gas across to Piper Alpha as it burned. If you want a really unnerving story about Piper Alpha, though: just this week Occidental Petroleum bought out Apache. Nobody ever expected those fuckers to return to the North Sea, and I have no idea who's going to work for them now.
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