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It's pretty thick of Simmons to think/act that it's just his sick loving content bro that has lead people to "find" his new podcast. He's had financial backing and exposure from ESPN for about 15 years and is now backed by HBO, and he has tons of media business coverage about his every move. People "found" his podcast because of his existing celebrity.
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trem_two posted:It's pretty thick of Simmons to think/act that it's just his sick loving content bro that has lead people to "find" his new podcast. He's had financial backing and exposure from ESPN for about 15 years and is now backed by HBO, and he has tons of media business coverage about his every move. People "found" his podcast because of his existing celebrity.
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May 22, 2016 22:13
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Bill Simmons is pretty thick if he thinks there is a Bill Simmons without ESPN and Page 2. I know their split was acrimonious but he can't be that delusional, can he?
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May 22, 2016 22:25
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Oh no, Bill Simmons is happy his ventures are doing well
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May 22, 2016 22:57
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I'm happy for him but why the hell is every single show getting its own podcast. You do not need 11 feeds when each one will put out one podcast a week
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May 23, 2016 00:02
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mistermojo posted:I'm happy for him but why the hell is every single show getting its own podcast. You do not need 11 feeds when each one will put out one podcast a week so he can say he has like 10 shows among the top 50 in iTunes.
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May 23, 2016 00:52
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mistermojo posted:I'm happy for him but why the hell is every single show getting its own podcast. You do not need 11 feeds when each one will put out one podcast a week Because I'd rather only listen to Keeping It 1600 and not Jam Session
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May 23, 2016 01:12
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Are any of those actually good
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May 23, 2016 01:16
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Keepin' it 1600 is good, the sports ones are occasionally good, and the Simmons podcast can be good if it's an interesting guest and not just him talking to his incredibly boring friends.
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May 23, 2016 01:19
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Do people not remember that Simmons was brought to ESPN because he had a pretty significant following and kinda succeeded at Page2 in spite of ESPN.coms focus? If anything the fucker should be thanking the Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics and Bruins for timely winning a gazillion titles, more than anything that ramped the poo poo out of his numbers and legitimized his regional "everyfan" approach. Gay But Crush Puss fucked around with this message at 02:22 on May 23, 2016 |
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Gay But Crush Puss posted:Do people not remember that Simmons was brought to ESPN because he had a pretty significant following and kinda succeeded at Page2 in spite of ESPN.coms focus? This is an extremely generous reading
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May 23, 2016 02:34
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mistermojo posted:I'm happy for him but why the hell is every single show getting its own podcast. You do not need 11 feeds when each one will put out one podcast a week They have the Ringer feed if you want them all in one place. They also split them apart. I'd rather they split them up because it's a pain in the rear end scrolling through podcasts about The Bachelor and golf when I want to find Keepin it 1600.
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May 23, 2016 02:58
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I think it's fairly safe to say that Simmons built his brand both because of being on Page2 and despite being on Page2, because Page2 was kind of a clusterfuck from the get-go. As much as there was a ton of great talent, there never seemed to be a clear idea of what to do with it. Dude's been building his brand since back in the days of Digital Cities Boston on AOL (the only one of the 'Digital Cities' sites to even have a sports column, which happened because he sold himself to the editors something fierce), so the idea that he's only famous because of ESPN is kind of a non-starter. As much as he's become a self-absorbed blowhard, he's worked pretty hard to get the name recognition he's got.
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Niwrad posted:They have the Ringer feed if you want them all in one place. They also split them apart. Do you mean Channel 33? That seems to only post teasers. I liked how Grantland had a sports feed and a pop culture feed but what can you do
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I think it's fairly safe to say that Simmons built his brand both because of being on Page2 and despite being on Page2, because Page2 was kind of a clusterfuck from the get-go. As much as there was a ton of great talent, there never seemed to be a clear idea of what to do with it. Ralph Wiley was awesome
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May 23, 2016 03:14
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MourningView posted:the Simmons podcast can be good if it's an interesting guest and not just him talking to his incredibly boring friends. And the reason they break out all the podcasts into their own individual feeds is so they can track the audience for each one. I was reading article a little while ago about podcasters complaining that Apple gives them very little information about their audience apart from raw download numbers, which makes podcasts really hard to monetize (aww, poor babies). Giving everything its own channel lets them figure out what's working and what isn't and what's fading and should be dumped and replaced.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I think it's fairly safe to say that Simmons built his brand both because of being on Page2 and despite being on Page2, because Page2 was kind of a clusterfuck from the get-go. As much as there was a ton of great talent, there never seemed to be a clear idea of what to do with it. http://www.itunescharts.net/us/artists/podcast/bill-simmons/podcasts/the-bill-simmons-podcast/ His "brand" is in free fall the longer he's been away from ESPN. I used to like him as a writer and I definitely like him as an editor/producer. But it is also obvious at this point that grantland wasn't a money maker. It will be really interesting to see how the ringer does without ESPN's deep pockets behind it. But the podcast world isn't a money maker at all. NPR has something like 30 podcasts and averages something like 80 million downloads a month (as opposed to his 50 million in 7 months), and podcast revenue is less than 10% of their sponsorship revenue: https://www.themediabriefing.com/article/npr-and-panoply-on-the-economics-of-podcasting
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May 23, 2016 05:25
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I don't know if I'm Too Old or what but I give zero fucks about podcasts no matter who is doing them or who is on them. This might also be because I can read way faster than anyone can talk.
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May 23, 2016 06:26
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Yeah, same. It's also why I hate instructional YouTube videos. Just write it down ya jabronies
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ElwoodCuse posted:I don't know if I'm Too Old or what but I give zero fucks about podcasts no matter who is doing them or who is on them. This might also be because I can read way faster than anyone can talk. Well its sort of sweeping statement because podcasts can be a lot of things. Long form journalism, funny short stories, improv comedy, and so on. I love reading in depth long form journalism pieces. But I also like listening to intelligent and funny people do intelligent and funny things while I'm on my commute, where reading would be hard to impossible. Them splitting every podcast is good too, because just like at Grantland I'm interested in very specific podcasts and I don't want just one jumbo feed pulling down every episode of every show because I'd be deleting half of them anyways.
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ElwoodCuse posted:I don't know if I'm Too Old or what but I give zero fucks about podcasts no matter who is doing them or who is on them. This might also be because I can read way faster than anyone can talk. This, and goddamn so many podcasters have no idea how to fill time, or know when to cut things off early, or fill half their time with "umm.... uh...." and have awful voices.
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May 23, 2016 11:56
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It's no different than any other form of media. There are some that suck, some that don't, some that are boring, some that have no purpose. I love podcasts though. With my job, I'm either traveling or at a desk, so I don't know what I would do without them at this point.
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joepinetree posted:But it is also obvious at this point that grantland wasn't a money maker. I'm not sure Grantland was intended to be a profit-generating enterprise so much as a counterbalance for the "First Take"-style trash they let on their networks. As cutbacks loomed, though, I imagine sacrificing their "prestige" project (and getting rid of an expensive, difficult employee) was a relatively easy decision to make. midwat fucked around with this message at 14:30 on May 23, 2016 |
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ElwoodCuse posted:I don't know if I'm Too Old or what but I give zero fucks about podcasts no matter who is doing them or who is on them. This might also be because I can read way faster than anyone can talk. I never figured out how to get them on my phone without using up all of my available space so I never really bothered. Plus it seems like most of the ones that weren't baseball-related I got recommended were at least 50% ads made to sound like part of the show.
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midwat posted:I'm not sure Grantland was intended to be a profit-generating enterprise so much as a counterbalance for the "First Take"-style trash they let on their networks. As cutbacks loomed, though, I imagine sacrificing their "prestige" project (and getting rid of an expensive, difficult employee) was a relatively easy decision to make.
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midwat posted:I'm not sure Grantland was intended to be a profit-generating enterprise so much as a counterbalance for the "First Take"-style trash they let on their networks. As cutbacks loomed, though, I imagine sacrificing their "prestige" project (and getting rid of an expensive, difficult employee) was a relatively easy decision to make. That and keeping Simmons, who to that point had been really valuable for them, happy ElwoodCuse posted:I don't know if I'm Too Old or what but I give zero fucks about podcasts no matter who is doing them or who is on them. This might also be because I can read way faster than anyone can talk. I don't think they're really meant to replace written articles though? It's more like radio you can listen to whenever. They're nice when I'm doing something particularly mindless at work or have a long road trip or commute where reading something wouldn't be an option
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I don't go to ESPN any more. I read grantland every day when it was up which would occasionally point me in its direction. There almost no point to ESPN.com in this day and age of easy access to scores and highlights. ESPN has another "sportscenter problem" but this one is for their entire online product.
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May 23, 2016 16:05
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They're are lots of good people still writing for them, including ex-grantland folks! The site layout is garbage though
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MourningView posted:They're are lots of good people still writing for them, including ex-grantland folks! The site layout is garbage though Yeah, they need author pages badly.
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morestuff posted:Yeah, they need author pages badly. Yeah. The best way to find stuff right now is to follow writers you like on Twitter and get the links from there, which is, uh, less than ideal
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morestuff posted:Yeah, they need author pages badly. I'm beginning to wonder if they don't do this in order to keep people following ESPN and not writers that may come and go.
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May 23, 2016 16:39
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I feel like Lowe is writing less while they have him poo poo out podcasts instead. That's my beef about podcasts.
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Kibner posted:I'm beginning to wonder if they don't do this in order to keep people following ESPN and not writers that may come and go. That's likely. ESPN believes "system > the player" even more than most teams, I think.
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Hand Row posted:I feel like Lowe is writing less while they have him poo poo out podcasts instead. That's my beef about podcasts. He has a column every Tuesday, plus random ones in between when he really wants to write about something in particular. Seems the same as Grantland to me.
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Hand Row posted:I feel like Lowe is writing less while they have him poo poo out podcasts instead. That's my beef about podcasts. He's still writing a lot, it's just harder to find. He had like three articles last week
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It has picked up lately, but he had been missing Tuesdays as well as taping podcasts for topics he would normally write like playoff series previews.
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Anyone would rather do podcasts than write, it's a lot less work.
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Gay But Crush Puss posted:I don't go to ESPN any more. I read grantland every day when it was up which would occasionally point me in its direction. How funny, Channel 33 just put up a podcast regarding the future of tv highlights
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midwat posted:I'm not sure Grantland was intended to be a profit-generating enterprise so much as a counterbalance for the "First Take"-style trash they let on their networks. As cutbacks loomed, though, I imagine sacrificing their "prestige" project (and getting rid of an expensive, difficult employee) was a relatively easy decision to make. I know, and that's my point. Simmons is claiming that you don't need "the mother ship," but it's obvious that he was heavily subsidized, and that his bragging over podcast downloads is ridiculous. My favorite podcast network right now is bald move, and they're consistently ranking above Simmons stuff. And it's literally two guys in their basement who even with donations and merchandise make like 60 k a year podcasting.
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joepinetree posted:I know, and that's my point. Simmons is claiming that you don't need "the mother ship," but it's obvious that he was heavily subsidized, and that his bragging over podcast downloads is ridiculous. My favorite podcast network right now is bald move, and they're consistently ranking above Simmons stuff. And it's literally two guys in their basement who even with donations and merchandise make like 60 k a year podcasting. Those basement dudes literally proves the point Simmons was making. I mean lmao come on bruh u for real? Did you read the first part of your post and then the second part of your post and go "this looks good" before hitting reply?
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