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Looking at the Piper Alpha story and thinking about fire at sea brought up this memory from USN boot camp: the classic Trial By Fire, about the USS Forrestal and the horrendous fire onboard during Vietnam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGwoHyUvOqI
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Jedit posted:A colleague of mine used to work with the guy who was duty control manager on Tartan during the incident, and he confirms that after Claymore requested permission to shut down he was directly instructed to keep pumping gas across to Piper Alpha as it burned. was this a case of management not understanding what was happening or of 'lets get as much oil through before we reaaaally have to stop
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May 22, 2016 14:37
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Henchman of Santa posted:I watched the Hillsborough 30 for 30 last night thanks to this thread, which lead to me asking Facebook for upsetting documentaries, which led to me watching Dear Zachary today. I have been On a football theme, I had never heard of the Heysel Stadium disaster until Youtube autoplayed this documentary after the Piper Alpha one. The UEFA cup final in 1985 went ahead, despite 39 people being crushed and killed in fights between Liverpool and Juventus fans not 3 hours before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44xynnPXmAE I've had a happy morning's watching! Rondette has a new favorite as of 14:49 on May 22, 2016 |
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May 22, 2016 14:47
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The Milgram experiments are among the reasons the U.S. now requires Institutional Review Boards, because experimental subjects need to know what they're signing up for, and the experiments should not pose risks (psychological or physical) to participants unless they have clearly been warned of those risks. I have a strong memory of an article from a few years back where a bunch of psychologists were interviewed and asked: if you could run any psychological experiment, without worrying about ethics or subjects' well-being, what would it be? The answers were really interesting in the sense of "wow yeah that's horrible, but it would teach us a lot about the human psyche!" but I've never been able to find that article since...
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May 22, 2016 16:43
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LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:was this a case of management not understanding what was happening or of 'lets get as much oil through before we reaaaally have to stop Neither. Shutting down the pipeline was expensive, and it wouldn't have saved Piper Alpha at that point. It maybe wouldn't even have saved any lives. But it certainly made the fire worse.
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May 22, 2016 17:20
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Patattack posted:I have a strong memory of an article from a few years back where a bunch of psychologists were interviewed and asked: if you could run any psychological experiment, without worrying about ethics or subjects' well-being, what would it be? The answers were really interesting in the sense of "wow yeah that's horrible, but it would teach us a lot about the human psyche!" but I've never been able to find that article since... It wasn't this one, was it? http://www.wired.com/2011/07/ff_swr/ That reminded me of this, anyway.
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May 22, 2016 18:47
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Rondette posted:On a football theme, I had never heard of the Heysel Stadium disaster until Youtube autoplayed this documentary after the Piper Alpha one. Speaking as a life long Juventus fan with a lot of family in Italy, this is still brought up today and is pretty fresh in the mind of a lot of fans. They're still building memorials to this very day, I'm pretty sure the last one was less than two or three years ago.
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May 23, 2016 06:42
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Patattack posted:I have a strong memory of an article from a few years back where a bunch of psychologists were interviewed and asked: if you could run any psychological experiment, without worrying about ethics or subjects' well-being, what would it be? The answers were really interesting in the sense of "wow yeah that's horrible, but it would teach us a lot about the human psyche!" but I've never been able to find that article since... That's a really neat question, actually. "Can one induce a coma in another human being using LSD and random civilians, asking certain civilian to approach the affected patient randomly throughout the day telling him to 'wake up'. Of course, these people would have to be complete strangers to the patient."
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May 23, 2016 15:27
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It wasn't this one, was it? I believe that's the one! Thank you for ending my search!
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So many possibilities in the nature vs. nurture field. Separate a whole bunch of identical twins at birth. Take the babies of gay parents and raise some of them in fundamentalist households and some in Christian households. Swap the babies of poor people and rich people, or black people and white people. Etc.
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Speaking as a life long Juventus fan with a lot of family in Italy, this is still brought up today and is pretty fresh in the mind of a lot of fans. They're still building memorials to this very day, I'm pretty sure the last one was less than two or three years ago. Similarly everyone in Belgium, even those that weren't born when this happened and don't care about football, knows about this.
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pookel posted:So many possibilities in the nature vs. nurture field. Separate a whole bunch of identical twins at birth. Take the babies of gay parents and raise some of them in fundamentalist households and some in Christian households. Swap the babies of poor people and rich people, or black people and white people. Etc. I heard about an experiment some ancient culture did to try and find the "language of the gods" or something where they isolated a few newborn babies and kept them from having any human contact once they were old enough to feed themselves. No one ever spoke to or around them. Don't know if it was true or not, but that sounds like a fun one to do!
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Speaking as a life long Juventus fan with a lot of family in Italy, this is still brought up today and is pretty fresh in the mind of a lot of fans. They're still building memorials to this very day, I'm pretty sure the last one was less than two or three years ago. It sort of adds a context to why people at the time might have initially been less than sympathetic towards the victims of Hillsborough. Football safety in the Eighties was really hosed up. See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEl8PEsH4xQ
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Solice Kirsk posted:I heard about an experiment some ancient culture did to try and find the "language of the gods" or something where they isolated a few newborn babies and kept them from having any human contact once they were old enough to feed themselves. No one ever spoke to or around them. Don't know if it was true or not, but that sounds like a fun one to do! That was Frederick II Hohenstaufen, Holy Roman Emperor, Stupor Mundi (Wonder of the World). He also was excommunicated for going on a crusade, and had a crusade called against him.
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pookel posted:Swap the babies of poor people and rich people, or black people and white people. Etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjDbJQKDXCY
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May 23, 2016 16:49
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Solice Kirsk posted:I heard about an experiment some ancient culture did to try and find the "language of the gods" or something where they isolated a few newborn babies and kept them from having any human contact once they were old enough to feed themselves. No one ever spoke to or around them. Don't know if it was true or not, but that sounds like a fun one to do! Supposedly, it's happened a few times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_deprivation_experiments And that page sent me to this much more depressing one, about similar experiments with monkeys. It's probably been linked here before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_of_despair
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Patattack posted:I believe that's the one! Thank you for ending my search! No problem, I knew that sounded familiar...
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A long time ago, somebody posted a PDF that contained a transcription of a murderer's statement to the police. I remember it was very shocking and depressing. The guy, who had an impalement fetish or some terrible poo poo, lured a young girl (I think it was some neighbor's daughter) inside his apartment, killed her, tried to dispose of her body (at some point he put it into the bath tub to drain blood I think) and got caught. Any idea what I'm talking about?
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Solice Kirsk posted:I heard about an experiment some ancient culture did to try and find the "language of the gods" or something where they isolated a few newborn babies and kept them from having any human contact once they were old enough to feed themselves. No one ever spoke to or around them. Don't know if it was true or not, but that sounds like a fun one to do! This also happens in modern day although mainly through neglect  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child) quote:Genie (born April 18, 1957) is the pseudonym for a feral child who was a victim of severe abuse, neglect, and social isolation. Her circumstances are prominently recorded in the annals of linguistics and abnormal child psychology. When Genie was a baby her father concluded that she was severely mentally challenged, a view which intensified as she got older, causing him to dislike her and withhold care and attention. At approximately the time she reached the age of 20 months her father decided to keep her as socially isolated as possible, so from that time until she reached the age of 13 years and 7 months he kept her locked alone in a room. During this time he almost always kept her strapped to a child's toilet or bound her in a crib with her arms and legs completely immobilized, forbade anyone from interacting with her, provided her with almost no stimulation of any kind, and left her severely malnourished. The extent of Genie's isolation prevented her from being exposed to any significant amount of speech, and as a result she did not acquire language during childhood. Her abuse came to the attention of Los Angeles child welfare authorities on November 4, 1970.
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Rondette posted:This also happens in modern day although mainly through neglect In this case though, it sounds like the children would be together, just isolated from adults, so hopefully that wouldn't just turn out a pack of feral children.
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Mystic Stylez posted:A long time ago, somebody posted a PDF that contained a transcription of a murderer's statement to the police. I remember it was very shocking and depressing. The guy, who had an impalement fetish or some terrible poo poo, lured a young girl (I think it was some neighbor's daughter) inside his apartment, killed her, tried to dispose of her body (at some point he put it into the bath tub to drain blood I think) and got caught. Any idea what I'm talking about? http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/Underwoodvideotapetranscript.pdf Famous here because some people played EVE with him or some poo poo?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/Underwoodvideotapetranscript.pdf ETA: This bit in particular. 
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/Underwoodvideotapetranscript.pdf Nah it's just made the rounds a bunch. Him being a goon is a myth
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May 23, 2016 21:53
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/Underwoodvideotapetranscript.pdf Welp. That's never going to leave my head. Super professional agents though.
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I got a little sick to my stomach trying to read that.
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Hey, how about another local serial killer? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Keyes http://www.adn.com/alaska-news/article/fbi-suspected-serial-killer-keyes-strangled-dismembered-alaska-barista/2012/12/05/ Israel Keyes killed all across the US, but he wasn't caught until he kidnapped and murdered an 18 year-old barista here in Anchorage, AK. She was working the evening shift in a midtown coffee shack when he took her. He killed her the next day, took and used her debit card, and then left for two weeks on a cruise while her body was left in a shed. He didn't dispose of her remains until he took a photo of her corpse with a recent Anchorage Daily News paper to try and get a ransom out of her family. He GOT the ransom too, but the police were able to track him through the withdrawals made as he fled across the southwest and made the arrest. He was linked to as many as 11 other murder cases across the US (with more suspected, including some outside the country) as well as dozens of robberies to fund his killing. He was willing to confess to several initially, as covered in this article: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/08/nation/la-na-alaska-serial-killer-20121208/2 But the fucker eventually killed himself in the Anchorage prison in 2012. He started a construction company up here in Anchorage called Keyes Construction that actually was fairly successful and visible. Pretty sure it's not around anymore, of course. Also, I regularly drive past the Common Grounds coffee shack poor Samantha Koenig was abducted from since it's on a major road here in midtown. I always wonder how the other girls feel working there these days and hope the owner sprung for some major security measures. 
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/Underwoodvideotapetranscript.pdf Yeah, that's the one, thanks. I remember it because I started reading like "Everybody has seen horrible poo poo in the internet, I bet this isn't that hosed up  " and minutes later I wanted to loving throw up.
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I'm mid-way through reading it and it went from general perversion to holy poo poo this is totally hosed up
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Westie posted:I'm mid-way through reading it and it went from general perversion to holy poo poo this is totally hosed up I knew this guy from another site and we ran in a lot of the same social circles. He always seemed perfectly nice, which makes me wonder how many other people can be hiding a secret like that. That poor little girl.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/Underwoodvideotapetranscript.pdf I wonder what kind of medication was he taking that triggered all those hosed up fantasies. Probablly bs to cover his rear end, but is such a thing even possible?
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Jesus. Transcripts like that are what make me question whether I really want to go into court reporting, when all broadcast captioning has to deal with (I assume) is the occasional crazy-ranting politician.
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Mystic Stylez posted:Yeah, that's the one, thanks. I remember it because I started reading like "Everybody has seen horrible poo poo in the internet, I bet this isn't that hosed up Wow, had the same thought, "Eh, how bad can it be, the poo poo I've read and seen thanks to this thread, blah, blah blah..." and having read it, I feel seriously queasy. Man, kudos to those agents though. Goddamn. subpar anachronism posted:I knew this guy from another site and we ran in a lot of the same social circles. He always seemed perfectly nice, which makes me wonder how many other people can be hiding a secret like that. That poor little girl. I had a thought like that too. There's a point in the interview where he mentions playing KoL in the wee hours and I did that for a while too, years ago, and it gave me another wave of queasiness wondering if any of the people I joked around with while on there were like him in real life. I talk to so many strangers through my job and probably just as many online and you just never know...  gently caress humanity & nuke the planet from orbit, I guess.
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subpar anachronism posted:I knew this guy from another site and we ran in a lot of the same social circles. He always seemed perfectly nice, which makes me wonder how many other people can be hiding a secret like that. That poor little girl. Karma Monkey posted:I had a thought like that too. There's a point in the interview where he mentions playing KoL in the wee hours and I did that for a while too, years ago, and it gave me another wave of queasiness wondering if any of the people I joked around with while on there were like him in real life. I talk to so many strangers through my job and probably just as many online and you just never know... It isn't about hiding secrets, it's about finding some kind of drive to live. From what I gathered (I stopped reading around page 70 because I started tearing up) he was a really lonely, socially stunted guy who never had real gratification. Pornography gives that kind of gratification, and I think he said this in the transcript but if you watch enough porn you end up needing more to get off. It slowly eats at the way you think if you can't genuinely separate reality and fiction. It can happen to anyone given the right circumstances, and the internet is basically free exposure to all kind of hosed up fetishes. He seemed like a genuinely kind person who just got lost due to rejection and a lack of a real emotional outlet. Just my two cents, though.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:http://downloads.newsok.com/documents/Underwoodvideotapetranscript.pdf can i use this dudes social its just in here
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Related to the talk of NYC's potter's field a week or so ago, 192 Days As John Doe is about the work put into identifying those who die without a name. The site is formatted weirdly, but it's a nice shorter read.
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HORMELCHILI posted:can i use this dudes social its just in here do you really want to steal the identity of a dude in prison for halfway-chopping a ten year old's head off, though
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Re: hosed up oceanic incidents in the North Sea, it's a (multiple) repost for this thread but the Byford Dolphin incident always sticks with me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin Just a normal day at work until five people were vaporized.
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lmao is that transcript a joke? FBI agents asking if the murderer knows "jeremy daumer", theyre making him describe losing his vriginity, and just generally getting a kick out of talking to this guy rather than doing any sort of investigative questioning lol
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I imagine that loving with him gets you better answers later? Remember that they're in the room with a really disgusting guy.
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HORMELCHILI posted:lmao is that transcript a joke? FBI agents asking if the murderer knows "jeremy daumer", theyre making him describe losing his vriginity, and just generally getting a kick out of talking to this guy rather than doing any sort of investigative questioning lol hang on lemme just investigatively question the man who is confessing to the crime because i need to investigate further to see who did it really
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