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Kraftwerk posted:Nah I'm not trolling, the recent consumer reports article says Audis are getting higher up in reliability with the more recent models. Just loving lease the cars for no more than 2 years like literally everyone who drives German cars do.
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Kraftwerk posted:Nah I'm not trolling, the recent consumer reports article says Audis are getting higher up in reliability with the more recent models. Based on internet research (ymmv) it seems the B8 S4 is pretty solid. The only major issue being the DSG. They're also a bit sludge prone and the rear diff can have issues, but no common $2000+ issues like they used to have.
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May 22, 2016 17:29
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Throatwarbler posted:The Fiesta is much cheaper than the Fit in real transaction prices. The Fit used to be made in Japan and they don't make that much money on $15k cars no matter how good it is so Honda imports just as many as they can sell at full list price and no more. In other countries where the Fit is a higher margin vehicle (higher car prices in general, production in cheaper places like Thailand) the Fit is usually the best selling car in the segment. The Fit is another car that's suffered from getting "better" for the American market with every generation while the driving experience gets worse. I had a first (American) gen Fit and it was the last new Honda that had the classic Honda driving feel.
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May 22, 2016 17:35
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:Based on internet research (ymmv) it seems the B8 S4 is pretty solid. The only major issue being the DSG. They're also a bit sludge prone and the rear diff can have issues, but no common $2000+ issues like they used to have.
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May 22, 2016 21:16
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Guys is the 2017 Fusion Sport gonna be the new Legacy GT? 325hp AWD, adaptive suspension. No MT gearbox but you can't have it all these days...
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I have been driving Ford trucks for the last 20 years for work. Super Duties. 30 to 40 thousand miles a year in traffic and off road miles. The trucks are solid but when you do have an issue or just periodic maintenance through the dealer... Ford is terrible. I have dealt with 3 dealers, all of them are poo poo shows. God help you if the truck has to stay for more than a day, it will be a week and it will be done a day before they tell you/you call to ask if it is ready. If it weren't for my experiences with their service, I would have bought a Mustang last year. I bought a WRX. Used their service twice so far, Oil Change/tire rotation and then the Turbo inlet pipe recall. Far better experience with Subaru.
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May 23, 2016 14:39
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smooth jazz posted:Guys is the 2017 Fusion Sport gonna be the new Legacy GT? Just read an article I'll try and find where they bumped the torque rating to 380 ft/lbs. I'll see if there's any truth to that.
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May 23, 2016 14:50
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Mr-Spain posted:Just read an article I'll try and find where they bumped the torque rating to 380 ft/lbs. I'll see if there's any truth to that. It's 335hp/380ft/lbs in the lincoln MKC, with a "requirement" of premium fuel, so the 325/350ft/lb rating might be on regular.
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May 23, 2016 19:16
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Kraftwerk posted:Nah I'm not trolling, the recent consumer reports article says Audis are getting higher up in reliability with the more recent models. Oh you mean the people who said the Model S IS THE GREATEST CAR... IN THE WORLD! and then had to say yea it is loving terrible?
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May 23, 2016 23:12
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In fairness to their ratings systems, there's the road test rating for the car itself, and then there's a rating for reliability. For new cars, there is no data to rate the reliability, so they don't provide a rating. The Tesla crushed the road test score, but as more data has come out about reliability, they stopped recommending it. They have done similar things with other cars. http://www.consumerreports.org/cars/tesla-reliability-doesnt-match-its-high-performance/
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smooth jazz posted:Guys is the 2017 Fusion Sport gonna be the new Legacy GT? People will be tuning it to 400 hp I'm sure.
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May 24, 2016 03:38
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I guess its more like Up to 380 from a remap. Anything north of about 400 would probably need some upgrades.
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May 24, 2016 14:24
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Yea all the recent articles and forum chatter indicate 380 ft lbs. Seems like overkill? Anyways, looking forward to it... it's in the top 3 to replace my Focus ST.
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May 24, 2016 14:55
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If we're talking about anecdotes re: Fords, we had a 2013 Fiesta Titanium for three years, 36k miles and not a single issue. Surprisingly nice car, really. We've had our '15 Focus Titanium for a year and 10k miles and no issues, not a rattle anywhere.
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May 24, 2016 15:19
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For those who care about Uncle Serge's strange machinations, or about the future success of Alfa and Maserati, Reid Bigland is now in charge of Alfa and Maserati globally per autonews. The move significantly improves the odds of the Giulia being successful in the North American market (and probably elsewhere), so it's all good. Just let me have a 4cyl reasonably high power turbo with a decent handling package and a manual transmission for about $40k. edit: while we're at it, I'd like a pony too KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 15:34 on May 24, 2016 |
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May 24, 2016 15:25
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I saw a fair number of Alfas of various sorts while I was in Europe, and pretty much every one was gorgeous. If you feel like buying a car based on looks alone, it is the brand for you, so I think it would actually do very well in North America, where most people buy cars based on image.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:For those who care about Uncle Serge's strange machinations, or about the future success of Alfa and Maserati, Reid Bigland is now in charge of Alfa and Maserati globally per autonews. 2.0t 200hp Giulia is ~$30k in Europe without taxes, so the the 280hp version of the same engine you get in US should be less than $40k. Apparently they also confirmed that a Giulia wagon is also in the pipeline, in addition to the CUV. Dutch prices and specs: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwNojrauUi6WWVBhalUtbjdwcjQ/view FCA press release on the Reid Bigland: http://www.fcagroup.com/en-US/media_center/fca_press_release/FiatDocuments/2016/may/FCA_Announces_Leadership_Changes.pdf According to rumors the production Giulia QV has improved upon the pre-production Nürburgring times: Pre-production: 7:39 Production 6MT: 7:36 Production 8AT: "7:26-7:29" https://www.autoedizione.nl/giulia-quadrifoglio-gaat-eigen-record-lijf-op-nurburgring/ DoLittle fucked around with this message at 19:40 on May 24, 2016 |
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PT6A posted:I saw a fair number of Alfas of various sorts while I was in Europe, and pretty much every one was gorgeous. If you feel like buying a car based on looks alone, it is the brand for you, so I think it would actually do very well in North America, where most people buy cars based on image. People buy cars on image but that ain't the same thing as looks. The 159 was beautiful.
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May 24, 2016 19:37
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:People buy cars on image but that ain't the same thing as looks. Yeah, but "I drive a sexy-looking powerful European car" is a good image, in addition to Alfa making great-looking cars. You also have the subtext of "I can afford all the maintenance bills and a second car for when this one's in the shop," when you own an Alfa.
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May 24, 2016 19:40
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DoLittle posted:2.0t 200hp Giulia is ~$30k in Europe without taxes, so the the 280hp version of the same engine you get in US should be less than $40k. Apparently they also confirmed that a Giulia wagon is also in the pipeline, in addition to the CUV. Looks like you guys only get the 6mt with QV and diesels though. Not a good sign for the us.
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May 24, 2016 19:41
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PT6A posted:Yeah, but "I drive a sexy-looking powerful European car" is a good image, in addition to Alfa making great-looking cars. Neither of those things has been sufficient to keep Alfa afloat thus far. The Giulia is more competitive in dynamics than the 159 but it's really likely to be more of the same. I will buy an Alfa but I don't want to pay the price premium for a QV.
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May 24, 2016 19:43
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Looks like you guys only get the 6mt with QV and diesels though. Not a good sign for the us. The 2.0t petrol in 200hp form should be shipping in autumn 2016. QV next month. 280hp 2.0t later.
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May 24, 2016 19:49
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DoLittle posted:The 2.0t petrol in 200hp form should be shipping in autumn 2016. QV next month. 280hp 2.0t later. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume slightly higher power numbers for the NA market? I know our cars do attract bloat and usually a meager increase to somewhat make up for it. Also, Hurrrr no replacement for displacement, fix it again tony, amirite?!?
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If I'm still interested in 5 years or so I could easily see myself picking up a second hand Giulia. That infotainment screen solution is one of the best ones I've seen.
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MrOnBicycle posted:If I'm still interested in 5 years or so I could easily see myself picking up a second hand Giulia. That infotainment screen solution is one of the best ones I've seen. Someone needs to buy it new, first.
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Not it
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El Scotch posted:Someone needs to buy it new, first. And this is why "enthusiast" cars, or enthusiast-oriented options like MTs, fail. Enthusiasts are cheap shits who won't buy things new.
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May 24, 2016 22:54
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I promised that if Alfa brought a real Alfa to the US I would buy it. When I do, I'll make an ownership thread to document what it's like to own an unreliable Italian car that was rushed to market that is being serviced by Chrysler dealerships. 
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Guinness posted:And this is why "enthusiast" cars, or enthusiast-oriented options like MTs, fail. Enthusiasts are cheap shits who won't buy things new. Because we're all broke from fixing our used enthusiast cars.
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May 24, 2016 23:05
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Uh, people buy Alfas because of the looks AND the sound. Ciao baby!
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I promised that if Alfa brought a real Alfa to the US I would buy it. What stipulations are on "real Alfa"?
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May 25, 2016 00:09
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I promised that if Alfa brought a real Alfa to the US I would buy it. This is some monkeys paw poo poo isn't it
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Guinness posted:And this is why "enthusiast" cars, or enthusiast-oriented options like MTs, fail. Enthusiasts are cheap shits who won't buy things new. Yet Ford's enthusiast offerings are selling above MSRP in some cases, all while enjoying a less than stellar reputation for reliability. I don't think the issue is as simple as it's made out to be.
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How are the recent Maseratis? Maybe that might offer some preview of what the Giulia will be like to own. If I could afford to buy it (read: own it) I would get a Giulia in a heartbeat. Most of that segment is dominated by the same bland variation of German car with everyone trying super hard to act like a 3 Series. By comparison the Giulia looks highly unconventional and will most likely be rarer than all the others. Back home in Europe one of the first cars I was ever exposed to as a child was an Alfa and its been an obsession for me ever since. If I ever do get one it could very well by my Moby Dick. On another note, someone mentioned Ford is not very good when it comes to customer care and taking you care in for service, is GM or FCA the same way?
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kimbo305 posted:What stipulations are on "real Alfa"? RWD/awd, manual, practical enough to use as my only car. Thus, not counting the 4c and 8c. The Giulia counts.
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Kraftwerk posted:How are the recent Maseratis? Maybe that might offer some preview of what the Giulia will be like to own. Id rather buy the Hyundai 3-series competitor for like half the price. And as a bonus itll probably start every morning
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I spotted one of the new grill-less Tesla P70s parked on the street in DC today. California plates, too. The new nose looks better than I thought it would.
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Mange Mite posted:Id rather buy the Hyundai 3-series competitor for like half the price. And as a bonus itll probably start every morning Why not have both? 
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MechaFrogzilla posted:I spotted one of the new grill-less Tesla P70s parked on the street in DC today. California plates, too. The new nose looks better than I thought it would.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I promised that if Alfa brought a real Alfa to the US I would buy it. I want a Giulia QV* so much. I wish I could afford it  * Or a theoretical Giulia GTA 
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